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hello everyone!
Andreas Antonopoulos said, “I think the most important thing is to try to objectively look at what’s really important in the Bitcoin space, which is the technology,”
yes the technology!!
thats what we need to focus on for mooncoin. ppl generally dont care about how the logo looks, petty squabbles of who insulted whom, creating board, forum, discord, etc.(ex. i mean we have 2 websites? what a time waster), even though all these are necessary part of the development of mooncoin. we are spending too much time on form rather than substance. dont sweat the small stuff guys. nothing matters if technology behind mooncoin doesnt work. smart ppl get busy keep innovating on the technology. failures and not-so-smart ppl focus on trivialities because they dont know what to do with things that really matter. lets be more like smart ppl.
long live moon!!

The website of Discord?
How many Mooncoin channels does it have?
Direct links?
How many users read it?
Is it possible to read it without an invitation?
Why Discord?

We definitely need better understanding of what Discord for and how it works, and its advantages if there are any.

However, this Bitcointalk forum is also important, it's a very known and popular forum, it has many visitors,
and with every post in this ANN thread people see Mooncoin in the Announcement section, on the first page, for a while,
it drives their attention to MOON.

This project is very unique and nice because the name taken is the name of the moon hopefully this project runs smoothly.

I totally agree with you , the whole point behind a decentralized currency is to break away from the constrants and controls of a centralized setup. That being said I do think that there needs to be some order in getting things started, and frankly moon is still getting started. I think that a team of people that work together with the developers can push this coin into action and set it free like a little bird from its nest. For now it seems like there is still work to be done before we let this bird fly free.

why on earth would you think this way?... I am me as you are you, except if you are not you, then you should not think everybody is like you...

I have forgiven you anyways

Onelove

Thumps up man!.
There wouldn't have been these arguments if the core developer "Barrystyle" is 100% active (I still respect him anyways). I can't believe mooncoin who is old enough to stand on it's feet is still crawling, this is a big slap

I just want to point out that I agree with mooncoin foundation on his ideas about the importance of decentralization. Mooncoin is an economic platform. And I full heartedly agree that by treating core development like a business is a dumb thing to do.
What core dev needs is to be a useful platform though for businesses to build on. For this to happen, core development should consist of a team of people that have an end goal in mind as far as what mooncoin will become. This crying about logos is stupid. Arguments dividing the two communities here are stupid. You all are equally dumb here. The old guys have some fair points, but you're resisting positive change.
Now, as far as this board thing. A board is designed for a business. Mooncoin is not a business. It is an economic structure. If you guys wanna go all coorporation to do something to help mooncoin, all you have to do is use this board bullshit to build a business on top of mooncoin! It's not a fucking hard concept Build a reason for people to use mooncoin! Having feel-good PoW-wows won't do jack shit. Make a business. Use moon as a platform. That's essentially what moonedu will be!
Now, what bugs me about this ANN is that we have repeatedly wanted you guys to come into the discord to give us your thoughts. You don't. I come here to read your thoughts. When I had ideas, I brought them up here. But frankly, when you are busy having a life, typing into this dinky little web box is a pain in the ass. So I use the discord. If you guys would have just reached out to us a little tiny bit, you could have shaped the community and prevented it from taking the directions it's gone. Your inaction caused this. As senior members of your community, don't you feel like it's your job to teach the new ones how things are so you don't have this problem?
At this point, I am willing to help Barrystyle out, but really, this whole thing is getting stupid. My personal goals for mooncoin are to get it up to par with other cryptos to give businesses a reason to build on top of it. That will drive value. I want to see development of moonword language to actually be useful. And I want the algorithms to be fine tuned to prevent block hiccups. From their, a side chain could be implemented to create other uses. But as far as core development, we need those basic things. But frankly if I didn't like Barrystyle, I'd say screw this because you guys are refusing to work together. It's all so dumb.

Good afternoon. I see that you discuss for the general situation and Mooncoin's future. So, I want to mention the following:

1)The Mooncoin's downtrend is explained  by the following factors: a)The general trend for altcoins. b)The delays in development process and the problems in online wallet (Moonrush). c)The disagreements for some issues. d) The deficiency of positive news, unity and harmonious collaboration.

2)It doesn't need any more logo's change. We changed it twice in 2017.

3)Mooncoin Fundation and Bitcointalk community gave a lot in the last 3 years. The discordapp community made many actions in promotion in 2017. I believe that all these people have good intentions. Two communities  have to respect each other.

4)The board can give us some good results. However, it must include members from both communities in my opinion.


I am waiting the better days...

I have become disinterested in your antics.

Bullshit. Can you prove your claim? If is not successful what you want from Mooncoin just go to another coin.
By the way the decentralization is the new model - Napster and Bittorrent for example.


Bullshit. You are doing nothing more than sloppy attempt of TO. If you centralize Mooncoin you are burring it to the ground sooner or later. LOOKS LIKE THIS IS YOUR GOAL.

Yeah, no one choose the macdonalds logo. You should be ashamed by selling those cheap tricks.


Mooncoin is not enterprise. Fork it to Mooncoin Cash and register company behind. Do not associate with Mooncoin anymore.

The ICO's didn't existed when Mooncoin was around. It is entirely different model.

Yes the landscape has changed quite a bit, the current state of the cryptosphere doesn't allow the old model to be successful, we're going with the times and not being left behind.

Private cryptocurrencies are not much different from fiat. When you take VC money of course there will be hierarchy. Mooncoin and other decentralized coins do not have hierarchy and this is the POINT.
I am sorry for repeating myself but Mooncoin is not a company, it is not private and will not be. There is no such thing as board.

The board won't strategize in public. Mooncoin will still be decentralised but we are adopting some aspects of a centralised organisation because it better fits the current climate.

After we saw the logo vote was not legit and was manipulated, we need to revert it back.

False accusation. This began in the early days of the discord community by people who value democracy. 
There were two consecutive votes, this first had many entries including the old design, and the new design won with little opposition. The second vote, which was heavily advertised over a week, was won by the new design. 

This afforded Mooncoin a significant amount of support, seen by the sell walls accumulating and reduced participation across all forums. We all looked like fools arguing over a vector and no one wants to invest in a fools enterprise.   

The ICO's didn't existed when Mooncoin was around. It is entirely different model. Private cryptocurrencies are not much different from fiat. When you take VC money of course there will be hierarchy. Mooncoin and other decentralized coins do not have hierarchy and this is the POINT.
I am sorry for repeating myself but Mooncoin is not a company, it is not private and will not be. There is no such thing as board.

After we saw the logo vote was not legit and was manipulated, we need to revert it back.

Thanks for your advice.

视乎很有兴趣。

If you think that my posts were only about pure ideas, which you don't care of, or don't agree with,
no, they are also about will Mooncoin be 100 Sat or 0.1 Sat again,
please read these posts carefully,
the good and transparent team is great, from Discord or from anywhere else, if they understand things and don't affect MOON (and its price),
it will be only appreciated by people.

Then I will be calm about the Mooncoin future and can even not to post in this thread not to make it look like the ANN is centralised by me.

The point is
not to make a big mistake, by not knowing or not understanding that this market cap $10-12 mil  is the worth of decentralised project and that the decentralised Mooncoin project can have an unlimited potential (again, the team that understands it and acts according to that is great),
 
meanwhile the worth of centralised project can be estimated much lower by the market and be limited by the worth of company behind the project and its sales.

Some members of this board seem to believe it already is centralised by mooncoinfoundation and the people he trusts.

Mooncoin is for everyone and we are giving it to everyone by preparing it for everyone.

If you feel strongly for mooncoin please apply to join the board.

No, it is not. It's just a curious fact which I find pretty disturbing. What a coincidence yes?

Did you get this part:

"free of any central authority or point of control that can be attacked or corrupted." - Andreas Antonopoulos

and this one:

"The team is welcome, a team that understands things and doesn't affect a coin.
A team that is wise enough to allow the coin stay decentralised, with a quite neutral control." - Mooncoin_Foundation

If you really want to help do not try to further centralize and control Mooncoin. It is against its nature.
If you not comply with the Mooncoin founding principles feel free to start your own project on whatever grounds and structure you like.

Can you help Mooncoin without centralize it by any means?

MIDMIR

All TO accounts are less than 6 months old. - This is an ad hominem attack[/u]



After you can not attack the arguments you simply ignore them and you are going against the person. Something the Latins used few thousand of years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

The board will make sure these things you say mooncoin is good for will actually come about in a reasonable time frame.

It is fair to assume that people live complicated difficult lives, and they take help in any form that it takes. Suffice it to say, people don´t care whether something is decentralised or not, but they do care about making their lives easier. Money is the means to an easier life for most people, and an investment directed by sound-minded, market-focused serious people, who do make the right decisions isn't going to be dismissed lightly- right decisions as in market tested, rationally constructed.

As of now, we are still engaged in competition with the cryptosphere, we will lose because we currently don't have the resources or team to compete with the next generation of cryptocurrencies. There are many advanced currencies being developed by teams of programmers with huge budgets paid for by their icos and independent investors. The prudent ones of the last gen packed their coins with features and adopted multiple algorithms to cater to markets they previously had a weak influence and created more usage scenarios, as a result, future-proofed their tech.

  
In consideration of our apparent lack, to maximise our potential we must play our position and be aware of the measures we can take, to persuade the cautious investor and casual observer alike, that we know where we´re going and how to get there. The most apparent route to success is ignoring the cryptosphere entirely. The Blockchain is new technology and hasn't had an impact on the consumer markets as of yet- if it disappears tomorrow, the only people who would notice the difference are those currently involved in it- but the tech industry is integral to every company across the planet. Mooncoin can thrive on outdated tech from a highly competitive environment when put in a market that knows very little of the environment it comes from, as long as it solves a problem. As an open-source software company whose sole focus is distributing its product, Mooncoin will do well. This is where the board will show its value, because businesses do not want to do business with a phantom-  businesses and other organisations have their brand image to protect. Considering Bitcoin's negative stigma in populist opinion, it is likely that we will get rejected by most businesses if we don't have public representation.

I identify many of the older members here as having anarcho-crypto beliefs. Anarchism doesn't work, it is inconducive to innovation, and the consensus is to make everyone's lives better and to make our collective imagination a reality through technology- this needs an organised system. Regardless of how you feel about satoshis vision, it was near-sighted. Public opinion is fickle, I disliked the banks until they liquidated my debt and now they aren't so bad, i disliked the government until they came through with their pledge to provide free healthcare, and i still dislike the government but with less urgency to overthrow them. People are manipulated by government spin-doctors in cooperation with the mainstream media and disapproval is managed and mediated. Any direct opposition toward the current system will result in failure because they have the resources, the support, and the infrastructure to outclass opposition. However, one way to effect change is from within- work with the current system and create a strong position; google, facebook, apple, amazon, and other NGOs are powerful lobbyists to government and arguably do have more power than most individual governments. Cryptocurrency will get there, but it needs representatives like the ones we can see in the ethereum alliance.

Mooncoin doesn't have a strong enough hand to compete in its own market- the cryptosphere- and hoping the market will change it's perception of Mooncoin due to the virtue of being here for so long won´t make it happen. We're being outclassed, outsmarted, and outplayed everyday by organisations with deeper pockets, experienced people with indepth knowledge of systems of governance, and bigger teams. We need the board so to be considered a serious player, outside of the cryptosphere, in our real target markets.

To compete with what is currently on offer we need a bigger budget than what the current level of donations can afford,
at the minimum we will need more experienced devs and a marketing team head by a pro. The board will organise all of this because it's purpose is to build the Mooncoin ecosystem.






 

  

Nice one!