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The board will make sure these things you say mooncoin is good for will actually come about in a reasonable time frame.

It is fair to assume that people live complicated difficult lives, and they take help in any form that it takes. Suffice it to say, people don´t care whether something is decentralised or not, but they do care about making their lives easier. Money is the means to an easier life for most people, and an investment directed by sound-minded, market-focused serious people, who do make the right decisions isn't going to be dismissed lightly- right decisions as in market tested, rationally constructed.

As of now, we are still engaged in competition with the cryptosphere, we will lose because we currently don't have the resources or team to compete with the next generation of cryptocurrencies. There are many advanced currencies being developed by teams of programmers with huge budgets paid for by their icos and independent investors. The prudent ones of the last gen packed their coins with features and adopted multiple algorithms to cater to markets they previously had a weak influence and created more usage scenarios, as a result, future-proofed their tech.

  
In consideration of our apparent lack, to maximise our potential we must play our position and be aware of the measures we can take, to persuade the cautious investor and casual observer alike, that we know where we´re going and how to get there. The most apparent route to success is ignoring the cryptosphere entirely. The Blockchain is new technology and hasn't had an impact on the consumer markets as of yet- if it disappears tomorrow, the only people who would notice the difference are those currently involved in it- but the tech industry is integral to every company across the planet. Mooncoin can thrive on outdated tech from a highly competitive environment when put in a market that knows very little of the environment it comes from, as long as it solves a problem. As an open-source software company whose sole focus is distributing its product, Mooncoin will do well. This is where the board will show its value, because businesses do not want to do business with a phantom-  businesses and other organisations have their brand image to protect. Considering Bitcoin's negative stigma in populist opinion, it is likely that we will get rejected by most businesses if we don't have public representation.

I identify many of the older members here as having anarcho-crypto beliefs. Anarchism doesn't work, it is inconducive to innovation, and the consensus is to make everyone's lives better and to make our collective imagination a reality through technology- this needs an organised system. Regardless of how you feel about satoshis vision, it was near-sighted. Public opinion is fickle, I disliked the banks until they liquidated my debt and now they aren't so bad, i disliked the government until they came through with their pledge to provide free healthcare, and i still dislike the government but with less urgency to overthrow them. People are manipulated by government spin-doctors in cooperation with the mainstream media and disapproval is managed and mediated. Any direct opposition toward the current system will result in failure because they have the resources, the support, and the infrastructure to outclass opposition. However, one way to effect change is from within- work with the current system and create a strong position; google, facebook, apple, amazon, and other NGOs are powerful lobbyists to government and arguably do have more power than most individual governments. Cryptocurrency will get there, but it needs representatives like the ones we can see in the ethereum alliance.

Mooncoin doesn't have a strong enough hand to compete in its own market- the cryptosphere- and hoping the market will change it's perception of Mooncoin due to the virtue of being here for so long won´t make it happen. We're being outclassed, outsmarted, and outplayed everyday by organisations with deeper pockets, experienced people with indepth knowledge of systems of governance, and bigger teams. We need the board so to be considered a serious player, outside of the cryptosphere, in our real target markets.

To compete with what is currently on offer we need a bigger budget than what the current level of donations can afford,
at the minimum we will need more experienced devs and a marketing team head by a pro. The board will organise all of this because it's purpose is to build the Mooncoin ecosystem.






 

  

Nice one!

Yes, basic fundamental principles to build upon.

"free of any central authority or point of control that can be attacked or corrupted." - Andreas Antonopoulos

He must be my profile.

Yeah, luckily for me LoveandPeace2018 and Mooncoin_Foundation, arcmetal, Sentti, asgwinner and so on are all my profiles.

My crap is simple - decentralized in nature project will stay decentralized.

All TO accounts are less than 6 months old.

Instead, can you argue reasonably on the 100% valid arguments which Mooncoin_Foundation and arcmetal provided?
No, you can't simply because those are valid principles. Systems with single point of failure - fail.

After you can not attack the arguments you simply ignore them and you are going against the person. Something the Latins used few thousand of years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

So Barrysty1e did not contacted coinmarketcap to change the logo. Who did it then? Or is a secret.

Board/team/coregroup call it whatever, the shit is exactly the same.


Oh and midmir, nice to see you made a new user to support your crap.

I have never seen a token/coin having a board (Please send your proofs if you any). People should please stop talking about board.

There's been a lot of dictatorship here

I think what we need now is having an official team (Core developer, ad manager, .....) and each person in the group should work mostly in it's field while feeding back the community. The community needs to know those working for this project. The names too should be on the official website. It'll give us a better reputation.

For basically 3 years this coin has been dead. 3 years of nothing. 3 years of little to no volume in trading. 3 years of utter absolute shit! You guys all stand here high and mighty going don't take my coin, you can't do this, you can't do that! Please tell me now, what you have done for this coin? Yet you stand here and talk down to these (new)members like trash, who are actively trying to revive this coin and fulfill the dreams of the past Dev of MOONcoin. These guys/girls taking time out of their day to actively work on, promote, come up with ideas etc, and all you can do is cry over MOON coin actually having a direction.

You are a bunch of whingers with no direction, that cry over a logo change. It's 2017 guys, a lot has changed in the crypto world, and these guys are working their asses off to make something of this. Stop with the shit!

Every new coin created has a core dev team. I mean fuck me did you not witness what just happened to Bitcoin? With no core dev, everyone fighting and wanting other things. We are all in this to prosper. Having a board of the community will help this coin blossom, and decisions can be made in a timely manner. If you are here thinking this is my coin, I don't want you to change it, bla bla bla- get out or do something and help. We all have the same vision, to make money and to see the coin grow into something purposeful in this world.

Seriously let's move forward and stop your whinging. 50 odd pages of just crap and bullshit.

Spread love it's the Brooklyn way.
BigPoppa

Decentralisation is not about black markets like someone mentioned before, no dark markets accept or will accept MOON simply because all MOON transactions are transparent, it's like an open book, black markets use true anon coins as Monero or Dash.

MOON's unique feature is that it's backed by common people, sometimes has problems due to all this mess,
but NEVERTHELESS it's very popular. People like it, for them MOON is like a good old friend, even with all problems, anyway trusted and good one.
If you position it like a company, it's a different story, it's not unique, and not a friend.

The additional way to position it is that it can be a coin for scientific and social progress, Evangelo understands it well.

And now imagine: a coin that supports scientific and social progress and backed by common people all over the world and decentralised like Bitcoin and Internet.
That can compete with top coins.

The team is welcome, a team that understands things and doesn't affect a coin.
A team that is wise enough to allow the coin stay decentralised, with a quite neutral control.

So what is so specific about MOON?

The most unique feature is that it's like Bitcoin, it's backed by common people,
really backed by the community, many coins claim that, but very few (especially from well-known coins) really have this feature.

It's like Internet, and who owns Internet?
Why try to control the ocean if you can build a good ship instead?

But MOON is not exactly like Bitcoin, it has some real advantages, it's more flexible.
And now imagine, what if in the future MOON will challenge BTC, will be widely adopted as one of the most known crypto currencies?
Of course, you don't believe in it, and you will say that I'm bad if I'm even talking about it,
but please think it over: MOON is more flexible and definitely has some tech advantages (right now there are some temporarily tech problems, but they very likely will be fixed soon),
so Why not? MOON is very well known.

But if you convert it to the centralised project, people will say: no, thanks, it's not like Bitcoin,
it's just one from numerous tokens, so its market cap shouldn't be more than $100,000 and it's not interesting at all.

(to be continued)

Also there is a legendary book on marketing
Differentiate or Die by Jack Trout.

Investors don't invest just in companies,
they invest in something that they believe will give them profits,
in something which is interesting and quite different from an average product.

So, position MOON or Die.
There are thousands of coins backed by companies and teams, ETH tokens etc.

(to be continued)

This reminded me of a line I just read today from "Mastering Bitcoin" 2nd edition, by A.M. Antonopoulos c 2017: (ch. 1, p. 3)

Why do I even need to restate what is already a basic fundamental.  There are only a few basic elements to these modern digital currencies, remove any one of these things and this stuff ceases to exist.

First of all,
I'm not against a team, and if a team consists of wise and fair people with talents and ideas, what is wrong with it?
Why should they create a fork instead of just joining MOON and developing it? It's great.

Thank you for the invitation, the main reason why I'm not on Discord is: all my posts (I'm a Mooncoin ANNouncements thread manager) should be transparent for everyone, everyone can read this thread and the Discord forum requires registration and Bitcointalk users mostly don't read it. Also I'm spending a lot of time even for communicating at Bitcointalk (answering PMs and posts) so that would be really very time consumptive to be involved with several forums.

You're welcome.

I realize now after posting this that no one would believe me, but this is what I actually saw.  Maybe I logged in on the wrong day, I don't know, it just seemed silly.

Who are you to invite? The director of directors?
After Mooncoin_Foundation clearly stated multiple times that he is against this stupid idea and politely explained to you again and again why with 100% valid arguments.

Such structures in the world are the reason Bitcoin was invented in the first place.

You still not get it yes?
If you want to be director so badly, found a company, start ICO, issue token on top of ethereum and get the fuck out of Mooncoin because WE are tired of you ignoring everyone's opinion here on BTCtalk.

Few months old accounts will not decide the fate of something they did not created and obviously do not understand. This power hunger and greed makes you irrational and manipulative.

LOL! And even no option for the old logo. And single person decided that the logo must be changed.
LOL!

Thank you arcmetal, for showing this obvious manipulation
 
OMG

LOL. I think "M-coin" would be nice name for those logos.

Cant we all just get along...

Say what? I logged in for that "revote" and here were the choices given:

Guess which one I voted for.

No I did not, I already said that here before. As far as I know, Barry is the only with the power to do so.

Stop being a toxic piece of shit please. Your childish accusations don't even deserve a proper reponse but I will write it down for you one last time.

Evangelo, official marketing director at the time, decided it was time for a new logo. Apparently the blue ellipse was just a temporary placeholder and it was time to look for a new logo. Submissions were opened on the discord channel and this was also posted in this ANN. When the voting opened, another reminder was posted here in the ANN.

However, you and some others started to whine that the vote was unfair and there was too little time and announcement. So a revote was organized; this revote was announced way in advance. Submissions were opened for a week and daily reminders were posted here. After Larrimar was the only one to enter, he won by default; as there were no opponents. That was the end of the logo story. Feel free to ask Barry for confirmation.

You are the one being harmful to the coin, and talking like an arrogant prick. Acting all high and mighty because we are just 'newbies with 2 months old btctalk accounts, directors wannabes'. We have no desire to fork Mooncoin, we are working together with Barry on developing and improving this coin. However, if you do not agree with the logo and what not, feel free to fork it yourself. We are actual developers, you? A trashtalker at most. Screaming and offending others, because of a lack of skills to prove your worth. Just quit it mate, this isn't going to help anyone. And certainly not Mooncoin.


No, it will not, Mooncoin will have a board. It will still have the full capability for users to submit their ideas and wishes. The community will still be polled for their opinion. But a board will oversee things, to stay clear of the mess. And avoid endless discussions like the logo issue. If you do not agree, feel free to fork.