Topic: More revelations on the challenges of physical casinos - page 6. (Read 1168 times)

This is a very unfortunate incident on the victim, but then, there are a few corrections you need to make, offline casinos are different from betting agents, betting agents are just individual persons that the sports book gave licenses to operate in areas where the sports book company can't reach or operate in.
so, in this case, we can't really say that the victim placed his bet on the really offline casino, but rather, he used the services of an offline betting agent.

Though on the other hand, I still understand the message you are trying to pass, and I still see it as valid, because the same bet the victim placed offline, he or she could have also placed the same bet online, and if he had placed that bet online and won, there wouldn't have been any case of another user withdrawing his winning, or a betting agent trying to steal from him.

Anyways, this is just one one those things, betting online have always been better than betting offline, because, in online betting, you don't just enjoy privacy, but you also enjoy security of your funds since it's only you who manages your account, and there are no issues like lost tickets, or torn or worn out tickets.

Physical or online casinos / bookmakers, any of them may, for a far-fetched reason, not pay the prize money won. The Internet is full of stories about online casinos freezing deposits and not paying anything for far-fetched reasons, demanding one confirmation (verification, KYC) after another. Ultimately, it may come to the point where the rules simply change at any moment. I wouldn’t be surprised if soon the conditions for providing gaming services at a casino will require you to agree to the terms “the casino can at any time, for any reason, refuse to issue a deposit without explanation.” Perhaps this condition already exists.

The type of casino (online or offline) is completely unimportant. They all have one goal - to get your money and once giving it away, the gambler finds himself in the trap of dependence on the casino: either he will lose his entire deposit, or he will be denied the prize money (if the agent is greedy). Every time you give your money to others (casinos, exchangers or traditional banks), you lose control over your finances, which in worst cases may simply not be returned.

It is possible situation. But it only shows that we can`t believe such bookies/casinos, and bank card can`t help in such situation. It means only that we must choose seriously the place where we bet. As we see, the best way would be to avoid small local casinos or different franchises casinos. Big bookie will care about his reputation and avoid such situations.

That is why it's important to always have an online betting account because most of this offline shop agents are very mischievous, greedy and dishonest. Not only in this particular case you have Sheard but has been happening for long now in different ways. Sometimes after winning a game the gambling agent will take some commission from you won game without your permission. Sometimes if you are not careful to cross check your won ticket and the amount given to you, you may be short payed . This has led to many controversies between Gamblers and shop agents. I personally don't fancy gambling offline because of this type of scenerio. if I want to gamble, I gamble online because it is fast, easy and convenient and has a highly level of privacy and security compeard to offline.

 Comparing online and offline casinos is quite different. Physical casinos have a lot of security systems so many guards use also CC TV cameras and other security. How a unknown people know the amount of winging I am a little confused. They should verify before payment wingin amount. Casinos disburse full money and for this reason, I think all of them are equally responsible. Another reason behind this is they might have planned with their worker not to release the funds since he played with a very small amount which would have been a huge loss to the casino. They give only 3 million.

It's an incredible story that unfortunately seems like a real scam...I don't know how it works legal system in your country but this not seems a quick solution.
Also seeing the figure/amount spends, unfortunately it is not a small thing to lose such an amount and anyone would be angry

A similar case happened in Italy, but here the shopkeeper actually stole a winning ticket and then try cashed it himself
Meanwhile he was famous at nation level, and he doesn't was able to cashout

In gambling greedy and scammers are rampant and this is why we must be always aware and try to choose more legit and trustworthy people to put on our money and bets because in the end we will suffer hardly like what happened here.
and the sad part is that the agent even creating story that there is already someone claims the winning? that is the stupidest thing he can deliver.

Thank you for this clarification! I was very confused to see a betting agent in a land-based casino which seems improbable given that you can cash-out your money directly from the gambling establishment itself after winning.

Betting agents have seem to have a negative perception in the public due to the ongoing scams that had happened recently. I do agree- if you can bet to yourself, then avoid using a betting agent if you can do so. Sure they may be convenient to use but the risks are just too high associated with these betting agents.


I do agree with the points that you have raised.

Using a card still cannot guarantee absolute safety especially if you are dealing with betting agents. The best thing to do is to remain vigilant and ask/search in this forum for feedback regarding a betting agent or platform.

Like what I always say, prevention is 100% better than cure. Make sure that you before you commit your funds/money in a given gambling site, do research and ask for feedback for extra layer of security.

I don't see this only related to physical gambling platforms, scam is scam and it does happen in online casinos as we have seen some report on certain challenges to withdraw winnings. So they are all scam and can take any form.

In the instant matter, this is not new but the way it could happen is if the winner misplaced his ticket and someone else steal it or got hold of it to present it and get paid the winning. Or there is a photocopy of it that was presented as winning ticket. At another instant, the agent may argue that the ticket is blurred and can not see the winning ticket clearly . So these are ways a winner can be scammed of his winning and if he can prove his case that he didn't do any of this then he would get his full winning. Now that he didn't get the full winning potential, it means he probably didn't convince the court that the fault of not receiving his full payment is not from him.

That was definitely a scam attempt by the agent of the shop. It's the agent's responsibility to whom they give the money. I might win a lot, and then someone creates a fake ID card or something similar and goes to the shop to claim my reward. If the shop agent gives him my reward, then the shop agent is responsible for this loss but they are always very careful. In this case, I think that the shop agent was trying to claim the winning, e.g. he was scamming the real winner. Such a liar people should be fired from their jobs.

I personally prefer betting online. I don't understand why someone should make a bet in a local shop, it's very easy to make a bet online and claim a reward, you get it immediately in your wallet and don't have to leave the house.

Sure it sounds weird, but there could be some sense behind of it. Perhaps, we are talking about a gambling company which works within a model of franchises, in which each betting store is operated in a autonomous way by each agent, who happens to be the owner of the place as well. Probably, the owner of this specific betting place has some of his own money as bankroll of the business to continue to operate, thrus why he did not want to pay that bettor the money which was rightfully of his property.
Regardless of what happened, this is the kind of situation which shows when a betting house or casino is not to be trusted by the general public.

Well this will always depends on where you play and the size of the amount you won since there would be a huge risk to experience something bad if you won a lot of money on physical casino since for sure that there are lot of people watching you win will get tempted to do something bad and this is the disadvantage of this that's why I don't really like to play on crowded placed since I don't want to experience this scenario. In case of KYC verification process I'm fine with this as long as I choose to gamble on reputable casino since for sure that everything is on process and we have a lot of chance to get the money we won from them.

And for this its really crucial to choose the best casino we play so we can avoid any possible issues that we provably encounter since getting a lot of troubles is somehow not good to us especially if there's big money involve in the picture.

It sounds strange for me. I use bank cards for gambling all time i`m in the gambling. In such situation the agent can only match that you win. He don`t work with the money and can`t steal it.
PS. It is small enough sum, as for me. The agent can get big problems and lose his job for it. I don`t sure that he would get profit as the result of this steal.

It seems to me that the system used by these agents allows cases like these to occur, so I wonder where the government is that doesn't inspect agents? and how did the court decide that the agent should pay a small amount of money? How did the agent prove in court that the guy who won raised part of the money so the judge just ordered the agent to pay part of the money? These questions I have will not be answered. In my opinion, the entire justice system in this case failed, because it is not possible that the police did not investigate this case well. for a judge to make such a decision, then it is because it has been proven that the guy really raised the money, but here comes the question of what are the conditions for a person to place bets and what are the conditions for a person to withdraw the money.

As I don't live in Nigeria I don't understand how things work in Nigeria. but in my country it works like this: when the person arrives at the agent, they pay and place bets and the system records all the person's ID data. It is mandatory for the person to take their ID when placing a bet, then they give a piece of paper that confirms the bet, if the person wins, then the person must come with the ID and the ticket. then the agent pays the person everything they earned. It is mandatory that the guy who played withdraws the money with his ID and bitcoin. In other words, it is prohibited for someone to hand over their ID and send someone else to collect the money. When withdrawing money, the face of the person who won must match the face on the ID. So in my country there is no such type of fraud as I saw in the OP

The biggest benefit that I see to sop physical casinos is that the winners receive the prize immediately and there is nothing that can be done, however in online casinos, nothing more than the fact of requesting a KYC requirement is something that It bothers us, it already bothers me, I have only completed KYC with the casinos that I have been more direct in action, duelbits, rollbit, and some others, but doing more KYC for other casinos, that doesn't work for me, Ultimately I have had more experience with physical casinos, because it is something fast, if I win they give me the money, if I lose then I leave, but I have a different experience, I talk to people, among other things.

This is how this local shop does, when you go to their shop to place a bet with either a popular casino or gambling site they are representing as agent, when the games and matches are picked correctly and the agent place the bet after which he would print out the ticket and give the bettor a copy while he holds a copy but at this point the agent may decides to prints several copies, after the match ends the bettor may go back their to claim his winning if all the matches played correctly. But when there are several copies of the game anyone can claim it so that is where those agents do claims bettors funds.
That is why I will always encourage anyone gambling to use online betting platform, to reduce much hassle between agent and bettor.

Whether physical casinos or online casinos also have almost the same problems. Physical casinos have problems with agents who may become greedy by lying to winners. whereas in online casinos we can see that there is quite a drama that can occur when we want to make a withdrawal, such as KYC verification procedures or very long withdrawal times.
we must be wiser in choosing where we play. Choose a casino that is proven to pay and is trustworthy. Always be careful when we try to play at a new casino, whether it's a physical casino or online, the risks are the same.

I'm curious how where the other people are able to withdraw the cash without the ticket or the owner of the ticket. I don't know why but I feel like something shady happened and the cashier is part of it.

is it? any chance there's an explanation as to how other people were able to cash out the winnings without the owner or the ticket?

As you said, the winning ticket is in the hands of the winner, it doesn't make sense if the agent argues that someone took the winnings from someone else for themselves, that sounds ridiculous and irrational.

Gambling at a physical casino has many challenges and risks, especially if we win almost tens of dollars, this is a cunning and foul trick that is often carried out by agents, making excuses for various reasons, because they don't want to pay, We often see that in physical casinos there are fights between agents and players, one of the reasons, such as the case you mentioned here, is that for me I will not play in physical casinos, unless: I really know and know the casino agent well, that's a point for me, if they don't want to pay they will think repeatedly about the risks that occur.

Generally what happens in cases like that that I see, those who have only been to a physical casino once, the agent will cheat and treat players unreasonably, if they win, Of course, my advice is that if you want to gamble at a physical casino, try to come there with friends who are familiar with the casino, seen by agents, regular and valued customers.

Chances are low, especially to a known physical casinos, there's no mentioned that it's impossible, because there are already similar cases, but regardless it's rare to happen.