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Quote from: josgandosbro on July 05, 2024, 05:38:14 AM

Trading is not easy to process. Frist understand and learn the training process. Without knowledge we are not get profit. So plan to work and get more profit. Trading is best investment. But before investing you known abouth that investment process and market price.

Trading is trading and investment is investment mate, don't say trading is investment because the two are not the same even though the end goal can be the same, namely making a profit. However, in the process of learning to gain knowledge, the two are very different, so you need to separate them and you don't need to put them together because trading always involves every trader looking at the market and understanding market trends. Meanwhile, investing only requires looking at the price that is suitable for you to buy, which you then hold for a certain time limit before you sell it back into the market to see the amount of profit you can get after holding it for some time.

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Quote from: Maestro75 on July 02, 2024, 03:35:33 PM

Everybody trading must not be profitable. It is the same thing that happens in other professions. We should not put it on trading alone. Not all doctors or lawyers get well paid. Not all graduates do well outside school. Some are lost when confronted with what is happening in the real world. I have seen unprofitable traders become profitable with time. That improvement does not come without consistent practice.

You are absolutely right if everyone was profitable from trading or other money making fields then there would be no human skill involved. Only those who practice consistently following a sequence can be profitable and those who do not give up and persist in succeeding can only succeed and profit. Because success is a combination of many qualities. So without practice it is not possible to achieve success in anything.

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In trading, it frequently happens that the trade we closed the day after or a little while later turned out to be more profitable. Market dynamics and psychological considerations are to blame for this phenomena. We are frequently subject to short term volatility and panic selling when we conclude our trades. This is further complicated by our own impatience and market volatility. Using smart trading rules with discipline and a long term outlook is very crucial. We cannot win in trading unless we are consistent and practice good risk management. By keeping this in mind we can turn a profit on our trade.

When you experience a situation like the one you have described, of course everyone will feel disappointed, but the best thing is for us to continue to look for the mistakes we made and learn from them again and must be able to improve in the future and when those who hold an asset experience a decline in Of course, this will cause panic for some people, but we also need to re-do analysis so that we don't waste our time holding the assets we hold and in dealing with market conditions that have high volatility, of course this requires patience and not making decisions. If there is a mistake, of course we have to do an analysis first in order to produce a decision that benefits us.
Continuing to practice trading will help us learn directly, but if we haven't really mastered it well, look for someone who can help us learn this and of course we have to use a little capital first and after we have mastered it well. Of course we will be able to take advantage of the funds we have.

Of course , I liked your words very much and It is very important that we should keep looking for our mistakes and learn from them. This process is done by people who have a purpose a goal. In order to achieve our goals, it is important that we realize our weaknesses and try to overcome them. Learning from mistakes is the only way to progress. A man cannot call himself a teacher in any field unless he is constantly learning. This continuous learning habit keeps us on the path to success. Every new mistake gives a new lesson and brings us closer to our destination.

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Trading is not easy to process. Frist understand and learn the training process. Without knowledge we are not get profit. So plan to work and get more profit. Trading is best investment. But before investing you known abouth that investment process and market price.

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Quote from: DaMut on July 04, 2024, 04:38:57 PM

That's just the simple truth, statistically profitable traders are not up to 15% of the total traders. Social media has made it easy for people to fake things d alot of people get tricked by videos , courses , fake payout and so on. The more you look the less you see. So just be careful and know what you you will venture into and don't fall for any tricks on social media.

Sadly that's true, so many twitter influencer shilling their bag while at the same time also selling their bag, seen plenty like that, decided to ignore their opinion in the matter of crypto price at all.
and what make it worse, so many newbie trader instead of learning the fundamental of the market just go blindly to the market and choose the shittest coin to trade like those shitcoin in solana, no wonder they are not making profit because they become very person that got tricked in the market. not to mention that the amount of newbie just leveraging their capital 20x in future market is so many as well, we all know 90% of people that leverages get liquidated.

but eventually these people that just doing reckless trading gonna get eliminated at the end of the day by the money hungry markets.

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Quote from: sarmrakib on July 04, 2024, 09:39:24 AM

I am getting confused what actually you mean. I think you may be suggesting to do spot trading. Remember everything is risky when you are doing trade though it's spot, future,DCA. However, Despite of risk many professional trader earning from this crypto market. We can also earn from here but what we need to do, We need to be expert on this by Learning and seeking knowledge from everywhere we get. That's how we can get a good profit on any kind of trading what we wanna do.

To earn from spot trading, we must have good trading experience. An experienced trader can easily understand when to profit and when to risk the invested money. Professional traders who are very experienced in the crypto market, take advice from trading. I was thinking of earning. They advised me that if you want to earn from trading, you need to gain good experience about crypto market then it will be very easy to earn from trading. We know two types of trading are spot and future trading. Future trading is much riskier than spot trading. For everyone tries to stay away from futures trading.

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Quote from: Maestro75 on July 02, 2024, 03:35:33 PM

Everybody trading must not be profitable. It is the same thing that happens in other professions. We should not put it on trading alone. Not all doctors or lawyers get well paid. Not all graduates do well outside school. Some are lost when confronted with what is happening in the real world. I have seen unprofitable traders become profitable with time. That improvement does not come without consistent practice.

In the case of employment, the matter is different, there is no harm to you if you work, because every month you will get a certain amount of money in exchange for your work, but in the case of business, the matter is different. Whether you trade online or you trade offline you must accept your profit and loss and then trade. In the case of trading, the matter is different, if you have your own strategy and if you trade in the right way, you will still suffer some time, but if you can accept this temporary loss and wait, then it is definitely possible to gain profit later. Traders who are making regular losses in trading must be assumed not to be trading correctly. Losing money by trading wrongly is never a good thing for a trader so if most of the times a trader is losing money by trading then his trading should be suspended for a period of time.

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That's just the simple truth, statistically profitable traders are not up to 15% of the total traders. Social media has made it easy for people to fake things d alot of people get tricked by videos , courses , fake payout and so on. The more you look the less you see. So just be careful and know what you you will venture into and don't fall for any tricks on social media.

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Quote from: lven on July 03, 2024, 03:23:49 PM

Quote from: uswa56 on June 22, 2024, 05:59:31 AM

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In trading, it frequently happens that the trade we closed the day after or a little while later turned out to be more profitable. Market dynamics and psychological considerations are to blame for this phenomena. We are frequently subject to short term volatility and panic selling when we conclude our trades. This is further complicated by our own impatience and market volatility. Using smart trading rules with discipline and a long term outlook is very crucial. We cannot win in trading unless we are consistent and practice good risk management. By keeping this in mind we can turn a profit on our trade.

When you experience a situation like the one you have described, of course everyone will feel disappointed, but the best thing is for us to continue to look for the mistakes we made and learn from them again and must be able to improve in the future and when those who hold an asset experience a decline in Of course, this will cause panic for some people, but we also need to re-do analysis so that we don't waste our time holding the assets we hold and in dealing with market conditions that have high volatility, of course this requires patience and not making decisions. If there is a mistake, of course we have to do an analysis first in order to produce a decision that benefits us.
Continuing to practice trading will help us learn directly, but if we haven't really mastered it well, look for someone who can help us learn this and of course we have to use a little capital first and after we have mastered it well. Of course we will be able to take advantage of the funds we have.

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Actually, having a trading knowledge is cool but it really depends on the skills and experience. That's why it's really hard just to rely on your trading knowledge but if you don't have the experience then you will just lose your money.

And traders will be profitable if they are earning $100+ a day if they are doing future trading, and on spot trader it would be $500 - 1000 a month

It is very difficult to calculate the trader’s profit for the period, if this is medium -term trade, then you should forget about such concepts as earnings in a month. Long -term or medium -term transactions can last months, and you have no guarantees that they will be profitable. Only after the closing of transactions, you can calculate the profit, and if you want to divide it by the number of months, to understand what average profit you received in a month. In trading, making money is not easy, and this requires a lot of practice and experience.

It's really hard to make a profit in times like this where the market doesn't move much, especially if you're spot-based. Although if you base your profit on futures trading, the price of bitcoin is not that volatile. But you should always have an understanding of futures trading.

And if you ever do the futures trade, don't ever try to trade in other crypto's; instead, just focus on BTCUSDT so that you are at least safe, but on the spot instead of trading, hold and DCA, that's my advice.

I am getting confused what actually you mean. I think you may be suggesting to do spot trading. Remember everything is risky when you are doing trade though it's spot, future,DCA. However, Despite of risk many professional trader earning from this crypto market. We can also earn from here but what we need to do, We need to be expert on this by Learning and seeking knowledge from everywhere we get. That's how we can get a good profit on any kind of trading what we wanna do.

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Quote from: Maestro75 on July 02, 2024, 03:35:33 PM

Everybody trading must not be profitable. It is the same thing that happens in other professions. We should not put it on trading alone. Not all doctors or lawyers get well paid. Not all graduates do well outside school. Some are lost when confronted with what is happening in the real world. I have seen unprofitable traders become profitable with time. That improvement does not come without consistent practice.

But it is still possible for every trader to be profitable in their trade regardless of the losses associated with trading. And trading is not like the professions you mentioned here where some one will graduate as a doctor or lawyer and will not be well paid, in trading the main aim of a trader who has spent a long time to build knowledge and master some signals is to make profit even though the traders encounters losses in the course of trading, it doesn't stop the trader from shifting his target which is to maximize profit. Personally, I engage in trading and I don't make profit all the time but that doesn't stop my main focus which is making more profit than incurring losses.

Basically trading is an activity that can really produce profits when a trader makes decisions based on knowledge. I understand that every decision is not always successful in producing profits, and I think that is natural because after all trading is an activity that refers to two The thing at the end of the session is between profit or loss, there is no strategy that is 100% accurate in producing profits, it is nothing more than something that can increase your chances of getting closer to profit, but when you do it without being based on any knowledge or strategy in The meaning of trading blindly is when you make a decision without being based on a reasonable reason, then of course you will most likely lose, and that is the approach used by traders who have a mentality like gamblers who depend on luck. But it also doesn't mean that if you already have enough knowledge you will always be able to make a profit, remember that there is no such thing as completion in terms of "learning", especially in the world of trading where as long as the market moves, that's how long you have to learn various new things. created by the market situation, and if you don't want to experience any losses at all then it's better not to be a trader.

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Quote from: uswa56 on June 22, 2024, 05:59:31 AM

With knowledge of course it will be able to make a person able to analyze first before they decide something in trading, but patience also plays an important role in being able to make a decision carefully in analyzing the right time to enter trading because if we make a decision in a hurry, of course we will not be able to make the right decision and that will result in bad results that we will get from the trade we do.

In trading, it frequently happens that the trade we closed the day after or a little while later turned out to be more profitable. Market dynamics and psychological considerations are to blame for this phenomena. We are frequently subject to short term volatility and panic selling when we conclude our trades. This is further complicated by our own impatience and market volatility. Using smart trading rules with discipline and a long term outlook is very crucial. We cannot win in trading unless we are consistent and practice good risk management. By keeping this in mind we can turn a profit on our trade.

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Quote from: Maestro75 on July 02, 2024, 03:35:33 PM

Everybody trading must not be profitable. It is the same thing that happens in other professions. We should not put it on trading alone. Not all doctors or lawyers get well paid. Not all graduates do well outside school. Some are lost when confronted with what is happening in the real world. I have seen unprofitable traders become profitable with time. That improvement does not come without consistent practice.

Yes, that's the truth about everything either business, trading and other work we do in this life to make money. We can't all make it at the same time, so I agree that anything anyone is doing, they should keep doing it, especially when it is trading or business. Don't give up; just increase your knowledge about business or trading, and with that, better days are ahead. I know trading is not easy, but I believe with proper knowledge and time, someone will start making reasonable profit from trading.

Even those who have enough experience, good knowledge, and skill about trading they are some periods when they find it difficult to make a profit, infact some even losing money for some good period of time. However, because they don't give up, they always later recover their losses and even make better profits. So, the truth is that we can't all be in the same direction as traders. Some lose, and at the same time, some must be in profit.

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Quote from: Maestro75 on July 02, 2024, 03:35:33 PM

Everybody trading must not be profitable. It is the same thing that happens in other professions. We should not put it on trading alone. Not all doctors or lawyers get well paid. Not all graduates do well outside school. Some are lost when confronted with what is happening in the real world. I have seen unprofitable traders become profitable with time. That improvement does not come without consistent practice.

Yeah. You are right everybody must not be a profitable trader some people will loose while some people will gain profit. When another person is winning that is when another will be loosing, and that is how the world works. We can’t be a successful people at once because we are doing the same job, everything has it own time to happen. People who loose today can be successful tomorrow and the way trading works, a successful trader of today can be something else tomorrow, so the things is that everything has time. I have seen many people doing the same job, but not of all them has the the same thing. And that the same things as trading.

Sure, if you don't win today, tomorrow may be yours and lucrative that is why whatever you do in life, you must be patient and wait your turn. He does not imply that just because someone has more than you, they are better than you. Something that works for you will likely not work for others, which is why we are unique. That is why some people are afraid to trade because if they see others making money and try to join them, they will quit after one or two failures because they will claim they lack features in the trading markets, and anything worth doing requires patience.

If you are serious about trading, you should study hard and gain knowledge to reduce your losses. Even professional traders lose sometimes, but their winnings outweigh their losses because they have a strong understanding of the markets and can use their experience to recover their capital. So, if a trader is not profitable in trading at any moment, he should strive to figure out why, or he may not have enough information on the subject and is risking his cash without experience. Or he is greedy because some individuals, if they are on profit, will not cashout, expecting he will continue raising without dropping down.

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Quote from: Maestro75 on July 02, 2024, 03:35:33 PM

Everybody trading must not be profitable. It is the same thing that happens in other professions. We should not put it on trading alone. Not all doctors or lawyers get well paid. Not all graduates do well outside school. Some are lost when confronted with what is happening in the real world. I have seen unprofitable traders become profitable with time. That improvement does not come without consistent practice.

But it is still possible for every trader to be profitable in their trade regardless of the losses associated with trading. And trading is not like the professions you mentioned here where some one will graduate as a doctor or lawyer and will not be well paid, in trading the main aim of a trader who has spent a long time to build knowledge and master some signals is to make profit even though the traders encounters losses in the course of trading, it doesn't stop the trader from shifting his target which is to maximize profit. Personally, I engage in trading and I don't make profit all the time but that doesn't stop my main focus which is making more profit than incurring losses.

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Quote from: Maestro75 on July 02, 2024, 03:35:33 PM

Everybody trading must not be profitable. It is the same thing that happens in other professions. We should not put it on trading alone. Not all doctors or lawyers get well paid. Not all graduates do well outside school. Some are lost when confronted with what is happening in the real world. I have seen unprofitable traders become profitable with time. That improvement does not come without consistent practice.

Yeah. You are right everybody must not be a profitable trader some people will loose while some people will gain profit. When another person is winning that is when another will be loosing, and that is how the world works. We can’t be a successful people at once because we are doing the same job, everything has it own time to happen. People who loose today can be successful tomorrow and the way trading works, a successful trader of today can be something else tomorrow, so the things is that everything has time. I have seen many people doing the same job, but not of all them has the the same thing. And that the same things as trading.

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Everybody trading must not be profitable. It is the same thing that happens in other professions. We should not put it on trading alone. Not all doctors or lawyers get well paid. Not all graduates do well outside school. Some are lost when confronted with what is happening in the real world. I have seen unprofitable traders become profitable with time. That improvement does not come without consistent practice.

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Quote from: benalexis12 on June 22, 2024, 10:24:22 AM

It's really hard to make a profit in times like this where the market doesn't move much, especially if you're spot-based. Although if you base your profit on futures trading, the price of bitcoin is not that volatile. But you should always have an understanding of futures trading.

And if you ever do the futures trade, don't ever try to trade in other crypto's; instead, just focus on BTCUSDT so that you are at least safe, but on the spot instead of trading, hold and DCA, that's my advice.

To get the best results from the spot, of course it takes quite a long time so that the results can be maximized. What do you mean never try another trade with just Bitcoin and at least be safe? As we know, futures trading certainly has huge risks, both for beginners and experts, there is no safe word there. And you need to remember that there is no investment whose value is not too volatile or stable for that matter.

If you are just new then it would be no sense that you would really be that making up some focus about making up some futures trade rather than focusing yourself on dealing up with spot on which we know that when it comes to risks levels then there's no doubt that futures is really that could be somewhat considered to be gambling already due to that high leverage on which could easily bust up someones capital in a short period of time or when there's a huge price swings into someones entry and opposing into such position. It would really be nose sense that you would really be having that kind of consideration
on taking up such step because it is really just that way too risky on making up such decision specially when you are just that starting up.

When it comes to profitability then this is where it would really be that just that depending into someones trade on how well they do make out such decision. If you are just that new
then it would really be that understandabel about having more intensity when it comes to mistakes done in compared into those who do have that experience.

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Quote from: Mr.sprin on June 18, 2024, 02:17:39 PM

Profit depends on us, how we make decisions so that we receive profits or losses, if we have deepened the knowledge of trading we can easily minimize losses, and we are not rash in making decisions so that we suffer losses, that way we can choose how to so that we don't suffer losses, therefore we need knowledge first before we start trading and we can also take safe steps when coin prices start to decline, and don't think too much because prices start to fall, that way we can overcome the mental us more calmly.

Sure. Knowledge has a big role to make the decision. If we have good knowledge, we can be easier to make the right decision. So, it is not so difficult to make profits. But if we have lack of knowledge, how we can make the right decision? The decision will always depend on the knowledge. That's why it is very important to keep learning although we already traded for a long time. Sometimes, the market trend changes, we must consider more factors to make a decision. If we stop learning, we may have no improvement in our knowledge. So we may make the same mistake in making the decision.

Actually, having a trading knowledge is cool but it really depends on the skills and experience. That's why it's really hard just to rely on your trading knowledge but if you don't have the experience then you will just lose your money.

And traders will be profitable if they are earning $100+ a day if they are doing future trading, and on spot trader it would be $500 - 1000 a month

You are making a good point but you still did not explain it well. It's true that the traders who are relying on what they know will not achieve anything, but when they are experienced, they have a better chance of success. However, the experience as they call it doesn't automatically translate into success, it is the right application of what you are experienced in that will deliver success into your hands. Practically, let's view it this way, we can't say most of those who are failing in trading are not experienced, can we? That should have spoken volumes already. One may gain the highest trading experience in the world but still lose, while a person with a simple experience, but notwithstanding, knows how to utilize it well and becomes very successful in it.

I know all the rudiments of trading and I conclude that trading is very simple, yet people are losing massively in it. This can only mean they are doing something wrong despite being experienced, and if the issue is not in the experience, then there is a certain missing link, which can only be on how they apply things wrongly despite knowing everything already. This could extend to the psychological aspect as well.

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Quote from: benalexis12 on June 22, 2024, 10:24:22 AM

It's really hard to make a profit in times like this where the market doesn't move much, especially if you're spot-based. Although if you base your profit on futures trading, the price of bitcoin is not that volatile. But you should always have an understanding of futures trading.

And if you ever do the futures trade, don't ever try to trade in other crypto's; instead, just focus on BTCUSDT so that you are at least safe, but on the spot instead of trading, hold and DCA, that's my advice.

To get the best results from the spot, of course it takes quite a long time so that the results can be maximized. What do you mean never try another trade with just Bitcoin and at least be safe? As we know, futures trading certainly has huge risks, both for beginners and experts, there is no safe word there. And you need to remember that there is no investment whose value is not too volatile or stable for that matter.

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