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Quote from: shield132 on August 26, 2021, 03:48:59 PM

Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 07:16:44 AM

One of my neighbours, a million years ago, was obviously addict to the slot machines. He would spend hours spinning in a nearby bar (these machines are allowed in bars in my country of origin) and my take is that he would spend a fortune on it. Once, I passed by and I overheard him saying "I am going to teach this machine who is in charge". It sounded like he was attributing some short of conscience and life to the machine and though he could "beat it". I have observed that many people that gamble are into that type of thinking, that is, it is me against this code and this machine and I can actually break the code and win.

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

No, modern slots are very, very exciting to play, they have great graphics, a lot of win opportunities and other benefits. Overall, there is some story behind every slot games, some are about ancient greek gods, some - about mythic warriors and so on.

At the same time, people think on slots like you have to feed it in order to get something from it. i.e. I know people who lose and look positively at it because they think that slots need to eat money in order to return some to you. Then they lose money and say offensive words like are you still hungry you mf... give me some money back.

I haven't heard anyone trying to break the code but some people really think that there should be some secret sombinations that will hack the slot machine and they'll become millionaires.

Slots are kind of addictive because people from any class can choose since they are exists for all class and everywhere so we don't even need a casino we even have them on supermarkets.

Its complete random and the user can only expect that lucky draw and they expect it all the time, thats the hook of gambling that is why people keep falling for it even if they know they never going to make it happen.

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Yes the odds of winning are quite small, but still there are ways to beat a slot machine for a small amount. When gambling was not yet banned in my country my friends and I used to go to the casino and play slot machines. Our strategy was that before we sit down for the slot machine we have several hours to monitor the activity of all slot machines. We were able to make good money sitting down only for those slot machine in which it has already been thrown a lot of money but they have not yet given the winnings.

Of course, this can not be attributed to breaking the code is just an increase in the probability of winning by counting.

interesting approach
this was purely on observation or you also take notes on number of rolls and frequency of prizes?

I'd be curious to know how often these pay players
more than 1% of times?

I can not know the percentage of winnings because we did not have access to the algorithms of slot machines.

A person comes to play and chooses the slot machine he likes. We observe his game and therefore know approximately how much money he put into the machine. If he lost quite a lot and the machine did not give him the winnings next one of us sat down for this machine. We never played a slot machine that had not been used before us that day or had already let someone win.

I don't know if this strategy works now, we used it about 10 years ago.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 07:16:44 AM

One of my neighbours, a million years ago, was obviously addict to the slot machines. He would spend hours spinning in a nearby bar (these machines are allowed in bars in my country of origin) and my take is that he would spend a fortune on it. Once, I passed by and I overheard him saying "I am going to teach this machine who is in charge". It sounded like he was attributing some short of conscience and life to the machine and though he could "beat it". I have observed that many people that gamble are into that type of thinking, that is, it is me against this code and this machine and I can actually break the code and win.

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

No, modern slots are very, very exciting to play, they have great graphics, a lot of win opportunities and other benefits. Overall, there is some story behind every slot games, some are about ancient greek gods, some - about mythic warriors and so on.

At the same time, people think on slots like you have to feed it in order to get something from it. i.e. I know people who lose and look positively at it because they think that slots need to eat money in order to return some to you. Then they lose money and say offensive words like are you still hungry you mf... give me some money back.

I haven't heard anyone trying to break the code but some people really think that there should be some secret sombinations that will hack the slot machine and they'll become millionaires.

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Quote from: sunsilk on August 26, 2021, 12:42:07 PM

That is the thinking that usually someone is tired already with their losses and started to say some words out of their mouth due to the bad results.

It's not actually breaking the code and it's a typical expression that we do when we're frustrated.

Only a few could really able to last that long or in the situation that theyre tired on having losses because most of the time people do really end up on getting wrecked for them not able to make bets anymore
due to financial problems.

When you are still on the situation where you are on mid-way of addiction or huge losses then better stop and dont aim for more or having that kind of fixed mindset that you would really be beating up the house
because we know on how reality works.

If you dont able to slap out your face then you would be surely experiencing the most common problem for an addicted person to face on.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on August 25, 2021, 07:33:47 AM

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Yes the odds of winning are quite small, but still there are ways to beat a slot machine for a small amount. When gambling was not yet banned in my country my friends and I used to go to the casino and play slot machines. Our strategy was that before we sit down for the slot machine we have several hours to monitor the activity of all slot machines. We were able to make good money sitting down only for those slot machine in which it has already been thrown a lot of money but they have not yet given the winnings.

Of course, this can not be attributed to breaking the code is just an increase in the probability of winning by counting.

interesting approach
this was purely on observation or you also take notes on number of rolls and frequency of prizes?

I'd be curious to know how often these pay players
more than 1% of times?

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That is the thinking that usually someone is tired already with their losses and started to say some words out of their mouth due to the bad results.

It's not actually breaking the code and it's a typical expression that we do when we're frustrated.

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One thing about the code and breaking it is that luck might just take over his wheels and turn his ordeal into a jackpot. In gambling no one really knows when his lucky day could come and mostly it comes un announced. But saying he could break the code by intention I think it's only a waste of effort and also waste of fund.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 07:16:44 AM

One of my neighbours, a million years ago, was obviously addict to the slot machines. He would spend hours spinning in a nearby bar (these machines are allowed in bars in my country of origin) and my take is that he would spend a fortune on it. Once, I passed by and I overheard him saying "I am going to teach this machine who is in charge". It sounded like he was attributing some short of conscience and life to the machine and though he could "beat it". I have observed that many people that gamble are into that type of thinking, that is, it is me against this code and this machine and I can actually break the code and win.

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

I had heard the theory that there were people capable of breaking the code, mostly from Chinese nationals. I stopped believing in it since a friend who works in a casino told me that they have a lot of Chinese gamblers who end up self-excluding after having too much. You put "Wang" or "Chen" in the computer system and a very long list of people who have self-excluded themselves from the casinos comes up.

Things like this are likely to happen, thinking that you can break the code and enjoy keep winning from the house. Probably casino is just alluring you and give you some time to cash out of their house, but in returned a long losing streak will keep on happening to you. You'll just realize that you already lose too much from this activity.

Gambling operators know how to take advantage of gamblers' greediness, they'll let you feel you are in control, but in the end, they are the ones who are controlling you.

Breaking the code is something that would never happen because gambling houses are businesses and there's no way that you can milk them out without noticing if ever you do really find out some bugs literally.
In means of emotional aspect then this is something that you cant really just able to get rid. You would definitely be finding ways to take advantage towards gambling and would mind about constant win
which we can say that it is impossible and to think off that this kind of motive in mind will really be triggering out addiction.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 07:16:44 AM

One of my neighbours, a million years ago, was obviously addict to the slot machines. He would spend hours spinning in a nearby bar (these machines are allowed in bars in my country of origin) and my take is that he would spend a fortune on it. Once, I passed by and I overheard him saying "I am going to teach this machine who is in charge". It sounded like he was attributing some short of conscience and life to the machine and though he could "beat it". I have observed that many people that gamble are into that type of thinking, that is, it is me against this code and this machine and I can actually break the code and win.

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

I had heard the theory that there were people capable of breaking the code, mostly from Chinese nationals. I stopped believing in it since a friend who works in a casino told me that they have a lot of Chinese gamblers who end up self-excluding after having too much. You put "Wang" or "Chen" in the computer system and a very long list of people who have self-excluded themselves from the casinos comes up.

Things like this are likely to happen, thinking that you can break the code and enjoy keep winning from the house. Probably casino is just alluring you and give you some time to cash out of their house, but in returned a long losing streak will keep on happening to you. You'll just realize that you already lose too much from this activity.

Gambling operators know how to take advantage of gamblers' greediness, they'll let you feel you are in control, but in the end, they are the ones who are controlling you.

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I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

If you do play, you will understand.

There's no breaking a code or something unusual here. These people know that it's hard to beat a casino game but the adrenaline is always there so it builds thinking on their brain that they can challenge the casino.

I'm sure those guys already experience winning a good amount. That's one of the reasons why gamblers continue to play because they actually feel the experience of winning a good amount and they want to feel the same experience again and again.

I also think that it is impossible for us to beat the slot machine in order to win big in the game, in my opinion slot games are a game of luck and no special tricks are needed to win them, besides that beating slots is not easy because of course slot machines are designed with special programs to run the system in every spin and it can be said that maybe only those who create slot machines know a certain bug or code in the machine.

that! the game is programmed to have quite small odds that will benefit the house, not you
there's no code to crack if something is written let's say to give a prize in 3% of rolls and take your money on 97%
then they just have to receive more money on these 97% of times than they'll pay out for the winners

Agreed, the majority of this is 60 percent for the house and 40 percent for the players, which isn't ideal. Well, they probably advertised it fairly, but we can't say for sure if it was truly fair because we don't have access to the code. However, there is still randomness in the code that actually executes the results, and it will continue to change depending on their algorithm. However, people continue to win from it, so there are still a lot of people playing on it, but in this type of situation, the house always wins.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on August 25, 2021, 07:33:47 AM

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Yes the odds of winning are quite small, but still there are ways to beat a slot machine for a small amount. When gambling was not yet banned in my country my friends and I used to go to the casino and play slot machines. Our strategy was that before we sit down for the slot machine we have several hours to monitor the activity of all slot machines. We were able to make good money sitting down only for those slot machine in which it has already been thrown a lot of money but they have not yet given the winnings.

Of course, this can not be attributed to breaking the code is just an increase in the probability of winning by counting.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 07:16:44 AM

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

If you do play, you will understand.

There's no breaking a code or something unusual here. These people know that it's hard to beat a casino game but the adrenaline is always there so it builds thinking on their brain that they can challenge the casino.

I'm sure those guys already experience winning a good amount. That's one of the reasons why gamblers continue to play because they actually feel the experience of winning a good amount and they want to feel the same experience again and again.

I also think that it is impossible for us to beat the slot machine in order to win big in the game, in my opinion slot games are a game of luck and no special tricks are needed to win them, besides that beating slots is not easy because of course slot machines are designed with special programs to run the system in every spin and it can be said that maybe only those who create slot machines know a certain bug or code in the machine.

that! the game is programmed to have quite small odds that will benefit the house, not you
there's no code to crack if something is written let's say to give a prize in 3% of rolls and take your money on 97%
then they just have to receive more money on these 97% of times than they'll pay out for the winners

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 07:16:44 AM

One of my neighbours, a million years ago, was obviously addict to the slot machines. He would spend hours spinning in a nearby bar (these machines are allowed in bars in my country of origin) and my take is that he would spend a fortune on it. Once, I passed by and I overheard him saying "I am going to teach this machine who is in charge". It sounded like he was attributing some short of conscience and life to the machine and though he could "beat it". I have observed that many people that gamble are into that type of thinking, that is, it is me against this code and this machine and I can actually break the code and win.

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

I had heard the theory that there were people capable of breaking the code, mostly from Chinese nationals. I stopped believing in it since a friend who works in a casino told me that they have a lot of Chinese gamblers who end up self-excluding after having too much. You put "Wang" or "Chen" in the computer system and a very long list of people who have self-excluded themselves from the casinos comes up.

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I think that's a self motivation. But If I could remember there are some case where a player managed to exploit a slot machine and win a lot of money but then when he was sued by the casino he won the case saying that he just pressed buttons which is legally allowed because he's a player and yes he won the case.

I'm not really a fan of slots I think I wasted a lot of money there.

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I am sure the coder can find the loophole in their server and tell the owner or their security to fix the bug. Maybe the owner will think about hiring that coder to join their team to get paid with a nice payment. Right now, if someone can work as a security team, they can earn a lot of money because the site will need a high-skills of security that can protect their site from attackers.

There's always a process and before the business will completely start, there are test run to process,

And it's a must have an expert security programmers to protect your business, people who are highly trained to make sure that there's no
Hackers that will hack you into the system and suck all the money, maybe some leak, but it should be noticeable right away. We know hackers will always find the ways,.

Sometimes, we see the casino make a competition to find a bug in their side and if someone can find that bug, the casino will give huge rewards in money to them. It really helps the casino know if their site has a loophole to fix the bug as soon as possible. Besides that, the casino can ask that winner to work with them as the security programmers to protect their site from attackers.

But I found on the search engine that some people sell their method to win illegally from the casino and that really attracts more attention from the people to buy and try the method.

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This is definitely a problem with gamblers.

I think that most people don't even realise that they are playing a game that carries negative EV. They just go in and expect to make money as if they are not playing for the sake of entertainment.

That actually really concerns me, and I think must be addressed.

People shouldn't be playing because they think there is some loophole that doesn't exist. They should be playing for fun and for personal enjoyment.

That's right. First of all, you should be a really good coder to have even a slightest chance of finding a loophole. But then, if you are so good in coding, you know that it can take a lot of time, and most likely the time will be wasted in vain. Also, your salary, as of a good coder, can be pretty good and you'll don't have time for such nonsense.

Some may just try because they think of it as a challenge, after all we know that people with that kind of ability are always looking for a good challenge and not necessarily want the money, however I agree, someone with the skill to try to crack the code of an online game and see if there are some bugs that he can exploit has enough talent and ability that he is not going to need to use his time for something like this at all as he will have many other sources of income.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 07:16:44 AM

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

If you do play, you will understand.

There's no breaking a code or something unusual here. These people know that it's hard to beat a casino game but the adrenaline is always there so it builds thinking on their brain that they can challenge the casino.

I'm sure those guys already experience winning a good amount. That's one of the reasons why gamblers continue to play because they actually feel the experience of winning a good amount and they want to feel the same experience again and again.

I also think that it is impossible for us to beat the slot machine in order to win big in the game, in my opinion slot games are a game of luck and no special tricks are needed to win them, besides that beating slots is not easy because of course slot machines are designed with special programs to run the system in every spin and it can be said that maybe only those who create slot machines know a certain bug or code in the machine.

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Quote from: chaser15 on August 24, 2021, 12:38:39 PM

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Even if you are a good coder I don't think you can replace the code with your own or copy the slot machine software to find the error in the code since nobody will allow you to connect your hardware for this manipulation. In today's world which is almost everywhere full of surveillance cameras this doesn't make any sense because the risks are too high.

Maybe they think the topic is about online software. For those recent responses, the topic is about a physical slot machine.

Even a coder will pass by on that slot machine, I doubt at only a few attempts he will discover how to cheat on it. That coder won't spend time searching for loopholes but instead just play on it then leave.

It will be also hard for that coder to cheat on that machine as that requires disassembling it which is impossible to do.

That's what I'm saying, this idea is more likely to lead to a prison sentence than to a situation where the coder installs his software on the slot machine and gets rich off of it.

The only option is if the coder has direct access to the slot machine, for example, maintains such equipment. In this situation, he can install software which has loopholes. Once he leaves his job, he can use third parties who know his secret to make a profit from the slot machines. But this will not last long either.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 07:16:44 AM

One of my neighbours, a million years ago, was obviously addict to the slot machines. He would spend hours spinning in a nearby bar (these machines are allowed in bars in my country of origin) and my take is that he would spend a fortune on it. Once, I passed by and I overheard him saying "I am going to teach this machine who is in charge". It sounded like he was attributing some short of conscience and life to the machine and though he could "beat it". I have observed that many people that gamble are into that type of thinking, that is, it is me against this code and this machine and I can actually break the code and win.

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

It's an addiction like most other forms of gambling. Why do people play the lottery le scratch offs. Same terrible probability of winning. But there is always that dollar and a dream thought, where you can win big. Will someone, yes. Will nearly everyone else bankrupt, yep. Addiction and "the dream".

When you do have that kind of mindset then most likely you would really be walking in the path of addiction and this is something which is really hard to be controlled once you got yourself into it.

We do have different targets and different perceptions towards things and if you do really have that so-called dream on winning big then this would be a main factor that would really driven you off on making actions
which arent supposed to be done.

This is a very wrong kind of motivation because this type does signify addiction and this isnt good.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 07:16:44 AM

One of my neighbours, a million years ago, was obviously addict to the slot machines. He would spend hours spinning in a nearby bar (these machines are allowed in bars in my country of origin) and my take is that he would spend a fortune on it. Once, I passed by and I overheard him saying "I am going to teach this machine who is in charge". It sounded like he was attributing some short of conscience and life to the machine and though he could "beat it". I have observed that many people that gamble are into that type of thinking, that is, it is me against this code and this machine and I can actually break the code and win.

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

Like any habit forming activity - people tend to drift into slot machines because of "boredom" and a lack of self control compounds the issue. Many people will take up such games because they are trying to fill some sort of emptiness in their life or need some sort of distraction. It starts off very slowly, they might get introduced to a machine on a night out with friends while they're having a great time and then they go back to it trying to rekindle some good memories or perhaps they won a lot on their first go - so think it is easy money. You just need to try to understand the math going on behind it to see that you will never win on such fixed-odds betting machines and it's not worth your money ever trying to find ways to break them.

there's something about the stimulus > response time as well
if you do something like play a game or use a drug and pleasure comes really fast afterwards it affects dopamine receptors in a different way than if its slow

videogames use it a lot, and most casinos knows about it too

interting to notice how different people have different self control too, as you pointed.

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