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Quote from: just_Alice on July 28, 2021, 04:58:44 PM

Nah, I don’t think it really has to do anything with gambling and slots, it’s just emotions speaking. Many people (me included) talk to objects, especially in cases where they want to direct their anger at them, e.g. when the TV isn’t working, or fridge, or something wrong with the phone, etc.
I think that was the case with this guy.

Haha just how some tennis players like Andy Murray (great player, no disrespect) talk to themselves when they are not winning points. It doesn't mean much and I agree that it is just the emotions getting the better out of a person. At times when I am losing too many bets, I am shouting at my laptop and it does not mean I am getting mad, it is just emotions.

Quote from: madnessteat on July 29, 2021, 10:30:08 AM

Even if the player was able to make good money on the slot machine which had in its code error, the owner of the slot machine should pay him all the earned remuneration or at least generously thank him for finding the existing bug.

Yeah, sometimes reporting the bug can lead to a bigger bonus than you get by abusing it. Also, some casinos will hire you if they feel you have a good grasp of how things work and you get a good job and don't have to do much either.

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Quote from: pawanjain on July 29, 2021, 10:49:44 AM

While many beginners think they are doing good in the gambling I don't think all the beginners fall in this trap.
I personally deposited money 2-4 times in the beginning and soon I realized what I was doing wrong.
I was able to understand the gameplay of the operators and then later decreased my deposit amount.
These days I just play with the free coins I receive on those gambling websites.

Using the balance you have for free makes us less burdened with defeat. That's pretty good, especially if you win of course any amount is not a problem. You will certainly accept it without a second thought. That becomes a lucrative bonus.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 06:16:44 AM

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

Not really a sort of these guys are trying to break a code but in every gambling, there's a thing in our mind that we want to win big. Slots machines offer a good winning so people like to test their chance and luck. Been there on that experience so I understand the feeling.

While in the process of chasing the big win, people become aggressive everytime they lose and that's where the challenge of defeating the machine starts.

And the next thing to happen is...

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Quote from: haidil on July 29, 2021, 12:21:42 PM

Quote from: ipanks on July 29, 2021, 11:22:58 AM

If your neighbors can win the most from slot machines, that will be worth spinning in a nearby bar, but if he loses his money and is still searching for the right bar, I do not think that is worth it. I am not sure that many gamblers can break their code in the slot machines because that needs knowledge, skills, and luck.

I never think much about that because playing on slots machines really needs the luck to win. And I do not think that many gamblers can win from the slot machines. I think people like slot machines because they get fun while rolling the image and hit the jackpot. Besides that, maybe the amount of money to bet is not too high so they can roll many times.

For me, Slot machines are fun even though they lose more than getting three symbols in a row. Gambling games on slot machines have been around for a long time and are still effective with various picture features and a comfortable display when playing. Especially with tense music, adding to the sense of addiction.

If you bet for a small amount, losing more than three times will not be a problem because that is still small money. But we know that many gamblers place big money to bet and suddenly, that money is gone at once and it will be hard to recover the losses.

I admitted that slot machines could give pleasure and make us forget the time to make people spend more money because they expect to hit the jackpot in the next roll.

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Quote from: madnessteat on July 29, 2021, 10:30:08 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on July 29, 2021, 06:12:15 AM

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I absolutely agree with your point of view. Even if the player was able to make good money on the slot machine which had in its code error, the owner of the slot machine should pay him all the earned remuneration or at least generously thank him for finding the existing bug.

I often come across this opinion (mostly supported by the casinos themselves): in a casino legally you can only lose, if you win then you break the rules. This approach makes me very angry and by the way it is also very common among bookmakers who like to introduce various restrictive measures against successful bettors.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 06:16:44 AM

Once, I passed by and I overheard him saying "I am going to teach this machine who is in charge". It sounded like he was attributing some short of conscience and life to the machine and though he could "beat it".

That's a dangerous mentality to have if one has it. I cannot imagine someone trying to battle out with the machine and try to fight against it rather than having fun playing the games. It's more like kicking a stone and breaking your own leg in hope of breaking the stone.

Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 06:16:44 AM

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

Well, it depends on the player what is their actual intention behind playing the slots. For me, I play slots because I always have a feeling that I might win something big and no, I am not chasing big wins but that's the kind of intention I have when I play slots. Maybe it has something to do with all the streamers showing off their wins.

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Quote from: ipanks on July 29, 2021, 11:22:58 AM

If your neighbors can win the most from slot machines, that will be worth spinning in a nearby bar, but if he loses his money and is still searching for the right bar, I do not think that is worth it. I am not sure that many gamblers can break their code in the slot machines because that needs knowledge, skills, and luck.

I never think much about that because playing on slots machines really needs the luck to win. And I do not think that many gamblers can win from the slot machines. I think people like slot machines because they get fun while rolling the image and hit the jackpot. Besides that, maybe the amount of money to bet is not too high so they can roll many times.

For me, Slot machines are fun even though they lose more than getting three symbols in a row. Gambling games on slot machines have been around for a long time and are still effective with various picture features and a comfortable display when playing. Especially with tense music, adding to the sense of addiction.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on July 28, 2021, 03:18:56 PM

I can't speak on specifics of a slot machine and why people prefer that, because I personally do not enjoy them a lot but know many people who love them. However what I can say about the whole me vs the machine type of thing, which is basically people who think that they are going to eventually start winning, for some reason there are a lot of people who think that they will end up losing to a point and then it will be too much and they will start winning, no idea why there is that but it just feels like it is going to be like that.

At the end of the day, we are talking about something that is not going to suddenly make you win, the code is not like that and you will always end up losing, it doesn't matter if you lost 100 times in a row, you will lose a 101th time if that is the outcome, it is called gamblers fallacy and it really exists.

I don't like playing slots too much either especially after I entered the crypto gambling world. The slot games carry a much bigger house edge and smaller RTP as compared to the games like dice and crash so I always prefer playing the low edge games over slots. I do play slots occasionally though when I get a lucrative offer on deposit or free spins as a bonus.

I am not entirely sure of the man vs machine theory so I'll skip on that. Gambling to me and I believe for everyone should be fun rather than a way to take revenge or anything. When I was a kid, I used to visit a gaming store and after paying a small amount we were given the chance to play the game, that time I had the sort of attacking intent because of I lost, I will play it again and again until I win.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 06:16:44 AM

One of my neighbours, a million years ago, was obviously addict to the slot machines. He would spend hours spinning in a nearby bar (these machines are allowed in bars in my country of origin) and my take is that he would spend a fortune on it. Once, I passed by and I overheard him saying "I am going to teach this machine who is in charge". It sounded like he was attributing some short of conscience and life to the machine and though he could "beat it". I have observed that many people that gamble are into that type of thinking, that is, it is me against this code and this machine and I can actually break the code and win.

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

If your neighbors can win the most from slot machines, that will be worth spinning in a nearby bar, but if he loses his money and is still searching for the right bar, I do not think that is worth it. I am not sure that many gamblers can break their code in the slot machines because that needs knowledge, skills, and luck.

I never think much about that because playing on slots machines really needs the luck to win. And I do not think that many gamblers can win from the slot machines. I think people like slot machines because they get fun while rolling the image and hit the jackpot. Besides that, maybe the amount of money to bet is not too high so they can roll many times.

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To be honest I've never even played slots in a physical casino and I don't know when I'll have the chance to do so. I feel that the gambler's win against the machine is really unexpected luck and would be very hard to predict. I don't need to talk much about slot machine I never play, this is completely irrelevant to me as I've only bet 99% online so far.

"breaking the code" it sounds like something very difficult for anyone to do but still possible for those who are geniuses. I just think that when one's motivation and belief is to win a bet then there is usually luck in it.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 06:16:44 AM

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

The only "code" to speak of is the code of statistics. Chance and statistics are interchangeable in this instance... One in a hundred, one in a thousand, one in a million

However if you played a game where there was a one in one hundred chance of winning, after ninety-nine rolls, you're still not assured of winning in roll one hundred as you are back to square one for each turn (i.e. one in one hundred)

After a thousand turns you probably still won't hit the win. Chance and statistics are like that.

This randomness is why some users end up accusing casinos of cheating when this is not the case, they think that since the chances are X then if they win less than that in a determined number of tries the casino is cheating and this is not the case, over a very long series of tries the real results will approximate very closely the theoretical values but when the sample is small not enough tries have been given in order to produce those results and they will have a tendency to vary way more.

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Quote from: pawanjain on July 26, 2021, 10:36:49 AM

In my perspective it's not about breaking the code but about the satisfaction of winning and the reward we receive afterwards.
Gamblers are motivated because the joy of winning drives themselves to carry out different strategies to somehow win the gamble.
Not only in gambling but at any point in life where there's a competition, we tend to try out various strategies to somehow win that particular event.
I believe this is why all gamblers tend to gamble frequently so that they can keep winning the games.

And things often experienced by gamblers when entering for the first time to gamble, the house provided him as a winner to withdraw more funds that were issued the second time by the gambler. so that without realizing the pattern of the gambler's game no longer thinks about what he has spent.
Then continue to add funds to enter in larger amounts, with reference to the first win. as an impetus to keep going and winning gambling is the biggest mistake.
If you want to play with the residents of the Casino who designed the Gambling system, then the gambler needs to play smoother. play, win and withdraw profits if you have reached the minimum withdrawal. save capital then play again.

It does seem like that the gambling website/casino is allowing the gamblers to win deliberately initially but I don't think that's the case.
If the games are provably fair then the win/lose ratio is not in the operators hands. It just happens randomly.
But yeah we do get the feeling that we are winning but eventually we lose at the end.
This is why gamblers tend to deposit more in the hope that they win.

Well, on average, that's what often happens. As one of the effective promotion methods for casinos to be able to control the emotions of new gamblers who join. Plus the beginners think of him as a good start, even though he fell into a trap that was designed in such a way. Not a few addicted beginners spend their time in shackled gambling. Nothing can escape it.

While many beginners think they are doing good in the gambling I don't think all the beginners fall in this trap.
I personally deposited money 2-4 times in the beginning and soon I realized what I was doing wrong.
I was able to understand the gameplay of the operators and then later decreased my deposit amount.
These days I just play with the free coins I receive on those gambling websites.

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Quote from: just_Alice on July 28, 2021, 04:58:44 PM

Nah, I don’t think it really has to do anything with gambling and slots, it’s just emotions speaking. Many people (me included) talk to objects, especially in cases where they want to direct their anger at them, e.g. when the TV isn’t working, or fridge, or something wrong with the phone, etc.
I think that was the case with this guy.

I agree, this is more of an expression of frustration or anger towards the game which coincidentally caused your next game a win. I think people always think that it's a proven thing when in reality, coincidence just really happens more often than we can think of.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 29, 2021, 06:12:15 AM

^

I absolutely agree with your point of view. Even if the player was able to make good money on the slot machine which had in its code error, the owner of the slot machine should pay him all the earned remuneration or at least generously thank him for finding the existing bug.

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Quote from: Lakai01 on July 28, 2021, 09:46:58 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on July 28, 2021, 05:54:38 AM

Yes, such cases are ridiculous, but sometimes players can find real vulnerabilities and exploit it. For example, I read that in some slot machine, after several losses, the player received a "hint" ie guaranteed to receive one win. At the same time, the slot machine did not take into account the change in the bet size, i.e. the player first lost on micro stakes and after that he was guaranteed to win at the maximum bet.

If this story is true, it is simply a software bug that the player could exploit. Something like this would not work in offline casinos, where the slots are completely monitored and an illegal payout would be noticed and withdrawn immediately, so you are left without a win (but of course you don't get your bet back so easily).

This was exactly what happened in an offline casino. As far as I remember, the players who understood this feature managed to make money on this.
By the way, why do you think that the player who took advantage of the slot machine error will not receive his winnings? The mistake is the problem of the casino, not the player, and since he won, he should receive the win.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 06:16:44 AM

One of my neighbours, a million years ago, was obviously addict to the slot machines. He would spend hours spinning in a nearby bar (these machines are allowed in bars in my country of origin) and my take is that he would spend a fortune on it. Once, I passed by and I overheard him saying "I am going to teach this machine who is in charge". It sounded like he was attributing some short of conscience and life to the machine and though he could "beat it". I have observed that many people that gamble are into that type of thinking, that is, it is me against this code and this machine and I can actually break the code and win.

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

When you are into something for so many years you develop a relationship with the thing that you are doing in your friend's case, he developed a relationship in that slot machine almost breathing it into life, now he thinks that he can beat him and he is superior to that machine, it's risky and you can be considered a chronic gambler, because thinking that you can beat the house edge will make you pour money and this will lead to financial losses.

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Nah, I don’t think it really has to do anything with gambling and slots, it’s just emotions speaking. Many people (me included) talk to objects, especially in cases where they want to direct their anger at them, e.g. when the TV isn’t working, or fridge, or something wrong with the phone, etc.
I think that was the case with this guy.

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Quote from: uneng on July 28, 2021, 03:22:30 PM

Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 06:16:44 AM

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I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

Probably this neighbor didn't have knowledge about informatic, programming and house edge so he thought he could overcome the machine. It's a common thought among older people to think like this, because they have no idea how these machines work exactly or how they reach to the final result. I've seen people believing they could win if they click the button in a way or another, or even following a sequence of customized bets, as if it could trigger a bug in the system and reward them prizes constantly. Actually, a bug isn't impossible, but I doubt the bar/casino owner would let the machine there for too long if it was the case.

^ Actually the thing that comes up in their mind is not about the entertainment anymore, they think that there is one strategy that will increase their odds of winning for specific machines. Because they think that putting any amount still the same either it is on the maximum or in the minimum, there could be a possibility that you will lose. This theory they believe in is that the more you risk the more you can win, so probably in that way they can beat the machine but I don't know if they can actually break the code which is impossible. But on my own, just stick to your budget and move on once you had a loss.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 06:16:44 AM

One of my neighbours, a million years ago, was obviously addict to the slot machines. He would spend hours spinning in a nearby bar (these machines are allowed in bars in my country of origin) and my take is that he would spend a fortune on it. Once, I passed by and I overheard him saying "I am going to teach this machine who is in charge". It sounded like he was attributing some short of conscience and life to the machine and though he could "beat it". I have observed that many people that gamble are into that type of thinking, that is, it is me against this code and this machine and I can actually break the code and win.

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

Probably this neighbor didn't have knowledge about informatic, programming and house edge so he thought he could overcome the machine. It's a common thought among older people to think like this, because they have no idea how these machines work exactly or how they reach to the final result. I've seen people believing they could win if they click the button in a way or another, or even following a sequence of customized bets, as if it could trigger a bug in the system and reward them prizes constantly. Actually, a bug isn't impossible, but I doubt the bar/casino owner would let the machine there for too long if it was the case.

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I can't speak on specifics of a slot machine and why people prefer that, because I personally do not enjoy them a lot but know many people who love them. However what I can say about the whole me vs the machine type of thing, which is basically people who think that they are going to eventually start winning, for some reason there are a lot of people who think that they will end up losing to a point and then it will be too much and they will start winning, no idea why there is that but it just feels like it is going to be like that.

At the end of the day, we are talking about something that is not going to suddenly make you win, the code is not like that and you will always end up losing, it doesn't matter if you lost 100 times in a row, you will lose a 101th time if that is the outcome, it is called gamblers fallacy and it really exists.

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