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Quote from: Sterbens on August 04, 2021, 10:46:38 AM

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Quote from: michellee on August 03, 2021, 06:11:15 AM

Yes, losing and winning become a cycle, but losing will dominate the gambling than the winning and that is happening for many people who play gambling. If we can enjoy the game and know when to stop, we will be satisfied with the result, even if we lose and think that the next days will be better than today. We can motivate ourselves that losing in gambling is normal but what is not normal is if we still continue playing without thinking about the big loss that can come to us. We can return to gambling in the next days but we should have control for ourselves.

Therefore I believe, they will learn from the first table game to another table very well. Losing no matter how many times they will find a point where he knows how to become a winner. Sometimes the motivation in gambling is born from previous defeats so that you can be careful and calm in controlling the situation. Because outwardly a person will get a boost if he has the will to win. As long as you have the belief to be a winner, then don't give up you will be at the most perfect point.

That will happen if that gambler can learn from his mistake to try hard to learn more and practice to get better than before. But we already see that even they learn more, it is still hard to win because there will be other players who have better skills than them and of course, the luck factor will be count on this. But if they motivate themselves by still learning, maybe someday, they will win but we do not know how much money they will use to reach that level. If that happens, maybe we need to realize that we can not always gamble if the situation is not right for us and we need to think that taking a break for a while will help us analyze more and learn more details.

Well, in the end, you know what to do if you lose, and you know what to watch if you win. The best gambler is he who can motivate himself in any way. Even without external encouragement, you can definitely find a way to get up. Motivating is one way so that where you win or lose, everything is fine and you don't think of it as a heavy burden.

Based on the responses of gamblers, they are 100% likely to be more excited if given a win early on. and being able to control wins from table to table with a take-for-and-leave strategy. move around or select the available games. Use a minimum standard of $10 on each throw.

We should follow that gambler so we do not have to be afraid of becoming addicted to gambling because we know what we need to do. We can adapt ourselves in any situation, even if we lose, because we will not recover the losses or chase the other winning. Motivating ourselves is not easy because we need to practice every day and that will look like we talk to ourselves and trying to say that we can do that.

I am trying to use $10 or less to playing gambling because I do not feel right to lose more than that amount. Sometimes, those $10 will still stay in my account because I do not use all of the $10 at once.

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Quote from: michellee on August 04, 2021, 03:04:58 AM

Quote from: Sterbens on August 03, 2021, 10:18:19 AM

Quote from: michellee on August 03, 2021, 06:11:15 AM

Yes, losing and winning become a cycle, but losing will dominate the gambling than the winning and that is happening for many people who play gambling. If we can enjoy the game and know when to stop, we will be satisfied with the result, even if we lose and think that the next days will be better than today. We can motivate ourselves that losing in gambling is normal but what is not normal is if we still continue playing without thinking about the big loss that can come to us. We can return to gambling in the next days but we should have control for ourselves.

Therefore I believe, they will learn from the first table game to another table very well. Losing no matter how many times they will find a point where he knows how to become a winner. Sometimes the motivation in gambling is born from previous defeats so that you can be careful and calm in controlling the situation. Because outwardly a person will get a boost if he has the will to win. As long as you have the belief to be a winner, then don't give up you will be at the most perfect point.

That will happen if that gambler can learn from his mistake to try hard to learn more and practice to get better than before. But we already see that even they learn more, it is still hard to win because there will be other players who have better skills than them and of course, the luck factor will be count on this. But if they motivate themselves by still learning, maybe someday, they will win but we do not know how much money they will use to reach that level. If that happens, maybe we need to realize that we can not always gamble if the situation is not right for us and we need to think that taking a break for a while will help us analyze more and learn more details.

Well, in the end, you know what to do if you lose, and you know what to watch if you win. The best gambler is he who can motivate himself in any way. Even without external encouragement, you can definitely find a way to get up. Motivating is one way so that where you win or lose, everything is fine and you don't think of it as a heavy burden.

Based on the responses of gamblers, they are 100% likely to be more excited if given a win early on. and being able to control wins from table to table with a take-for-and-leave strategy. move around or select the available games. Use a minimum standard of $10 on each throw.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on August 04, 2021, 05:09:18 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on August 04, 2021, 04:42:16 AM

It's interesting, but it's nothing more than automated money management. Even in a game as simple as dice, you can choose the odds you want to play with. This is not the case in slot machines, the whole game is reduced to pressing the start button and choosing the size of the bet. In my opinion, this is too primitive to play at least some long time in such games.

If you compare slots to other chance games, it's pretty much the same. Except you want to compare it with the likes of poker or table games.
Complex slots do exist, where you can choose the number of lines, lock/nudge the symbol, plus you can also pick volatility from thousand of games.
Dice is way more primitive than slots, but if you like it more than slots, feel free to ditch slots Grin

Exploiting game violates ToS so the provider will not pay your winnings (if you get caught). So it's not only just about "breaking the code" but also about "not getting caught."

Perhaps some of the slot machines really have a variety of gameplay, but I think 99% is just "press the button and wait for the result."
I don't argue about tastes, just my observations.

And what point of the ToS does the player violate if he understood the weakness of the slot machine and was able to beat it? Something like "a player can only lose, but not win", right? Grin

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Quote from: mu_enrico on August 04, 2021, 05:09:18 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on August 04, 2021, 04:42:16 AM

It's interesting, but it's nothing more than automated money management. Even in a game as simple as dice, you can choose the odds you want to play with. This is not the case in slot machines, the whole game is reduced to pressing the start button and choosing the size of the bet. In my opinion, this is too primitive to play at least some long time in such games.

If you compare slots to other chance games, it's pretty much the same. Except you want to compare it with the likes of poker or table games.
Complex slots do exist, where you can choose the number of lines, lock/nudge the symbol, plus you can also pick volatility from thousand of games.
Dice is way more primitive than slots, but if you like it more than slots, feel free to ditch slots Grin

Exploiting game violates ToS so the provider will not pay your winnings (if you get caught). So it's not only just about "breaking the code" but also about "not getting caught."

I agree.

However, dice might be primitive than slot games but at some point, the way their gameplay is just very similar, all you have to do it to press once and wait for the result. They just change a little bit but for me it's the same. Slot machines sometimes can get exploited but it's a very rare occasion unless you're a good one when it comes to exploiting games. Nobody wants to try it because if you'll get caught, the jail is your only room waiting for you.

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 04, 2021, 04:53:11 AM

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 28, 2021, 01:53:37 AM

If the player is initially determined to find weaknesses in the code/algorithm of the slot machine and use it to win, then this is quite adequate (although in many cases it is illegal and it is necessary to look at the details in each individual case).

I think it is illegal in all conceivable cases. How can it be otherwise? Say, you find a weaknesses in a vending machine in the US: it accepts some Zimbabwean coins and gives you back change 100 times more valuable than the coins you inserted. Is it a weakness that can be exploited? Yes. Is it illegal to exploit it? Absolutely.

Your analogy is incorrect. Let's consider normal cases when, for example, a slot machine developer makes mistakes in algorithmization:

Quote from: KTChampions on July 28, 2021, 05:54:38 AM

For example, I read that in some slot machine, after several losses, the player received a "hint" ie guaranteed to receive one win. At the same time, the slot machine did not take into account the change in the bet size, i.e. the player first lost on micro stakes and after that he was guaranteed to win at the maximum bet.

What could be illegal to beat this slot machine? An error in algorithmization is entirely a problem of the developer and the company that deals with these slot machines.

I agree, there's nothing illegal in that, unless it was stated in T&C that changing the bet size after receiving a "hint" wasn't allowed. If it was said in T&C, though, you wouldn't be sued for breaking that rule, but you wouldn't be able to withdraw the winnings either.

I can’t understand on what basis you claim this? If someone does not give me money that I honestly won, then this is an obvious fraud and he will be forced to do it according to the law.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 31, 2021, 05:57:33 AM

For example, if a player makes a "wrong" bet and, having lost, demands to return it back, everyone will laugh at this behavior. Why should we have a different approach if the opposite side makes a mistake?

This is a fair point, but in reality the "flaws" in the slot machines exist only in legends invented to keep you looking for them.

How about this?

Russians Engineer a Brilliant Slot Machine Cheat---And Casinos Have No Fix

In fact, flaws in slot machines were always and often more obvious when special software was not required to identify them. I'm surprised you didn't know about this.

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Quote from: KTChampions on August 04, 2021, 04:42:16 AM

It's interesting, but it's nothing more than automated money management. Even in a game as simple as dice, you can choose the odds you want to play with. This is not the case in slot machines, the whole game is reduced to pressing the start button and choosing the size of the bet. In my opinion, this is too primitive to play at least some long time in such games.

If you compare slots to other chance games, it's pretty much the same. Except you want to compare it with the likes of poker or table games.
Complex slots do exist, where you can choose the number of lines, lock/nudge the symbol, plus you can also pick volatility from thousand of games.
Dice is way more primitive than slots, but if you like it more than slots, feel free to ditch slots Grin

Exploiting game violates ToS so the provider will not pay your winnings (if you get caught). So it's not only just about "breaking the code" but also about "not getting caught."

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 31, 2021, 05:57:33 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on July 31, 2021, 05:14:29 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on July 28, 2021, 01:53:37 AM

If the player is initially determined to find weaknesses in the code/algorithm of the slot machine and use it to win, then this is quite adequate (although in many cases it is illegal and it is necessary to look at the details in each individual case).

I think it is illegal in all conceivable cases. How can it be otherwise? Say, you find a weaknesses in a vending machine in the US: it accepts some Zimbabwean coins and gives you back change 100 times more valuable than the coins you inserted. Is it a weakness that can be exploited? Yes. Is it illegal to exploit it? Absolutely.

Your analogy is incorrect. Let's consider normal cases when, for example, a slot machine developer makes mistakes in algorithmization:

Quote from: KTChampions on July 28, 2021, 05:54:38 AM

For example, I read that in some slot machine, after several losses, the player received a "hint" ie guaranteed to receive one win. At the same time, the slot machine did not take into account the change in the bet size, i.e. the player first lost on micro stakes and after that he was guaranteed to win at the maximum bet.

What could be illegal to beat this slot machine? An error in algorithmization is entirely a problem of the developer and the company that deals with these slot machines.

I agree, there's nothing illegal in that, unless it was stated in T&C that changing the bet size after receiving a "hint" wasn't allowed. If it was said in T&C, though, you wouldn't be sued for breaking that rule, but you wouldn't be able to withdraw the winnings either.

Quote from: KTChampions on July 31, 2021, 05:57:33 AM

For example, if a player makes a "wrong" bet and, having lost, demands to return it back, everyone will laugh at this behavior. Why should we have a different approach if the opposite side makes a mistake?

This is a fair point, but in reality the "flaws" in the slot machines exist only in legends invented to keep you looking for them.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on August 03, 2021, 11:01:19 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on August 03, 2021, 07:37:27 AM

it is super monotonous and there are no options to change the strategy of the game.

There are many progressive strategies for slot games, and you can activate it in-game for ELK Studios games:

The awesome thing about slots is it has many providers who each offers unique features: progressive betting, double chance of bonus round, gamble the result, etc.

It's interesting, but it's nothing more than automated money management. Even in a game as simple as dice, you can choose the odds you want to play with. This is not the case in slot machines, the whole game is reduced to pressing the start button and choosing the size of the bet. In my opinion, this is too primitive to play at least some long time in such games.

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Quote from: Sterbens on August 03, 2021, 10:18:19 AM

Quote from: michellee on August 03, 2021, 06:11:15 AM

Yes, losing and winning become a cycle, but losing will dominate the gambling than the winning and that is happening for many people who play gambling. If we can enjoy the game and know when to stop, we will be satisfied with the result, even if we lose and think that the next days will be better than today. We can motivate ourselves that losing in gambling is normal but what is not normal is if we still continue playing without thinking about the big loss that can come to us. We can return to gambling in the next days but we should have control for ourselves.

Therefore I believe, they will learn from the first table game to another table very well. Losing no matter how many times they will find a point where he knows how to become a winner. Sometimes the motivation in gambling is born from previous defeats so that you can be careful and calm in controlling the situation. Because outwardly a person will get a boost if he has the will to win. As long as you have the belief to be a winner, then don't give up you will be at the most perfect point.

That will happen if that gambler can learn from his mistake to try hard to learn more and practice to get better than before. But we already see that even they learn more, it is still hard to win because there will be other players who have better skills than them and of course, the luck factor will be count on this. But if they motivate themselves by still learning, maybe someday, they will win but we do not know how much money they will use to reach that level. If that happens, maybe we need to realize that we can not always gamble if the situation is not right for us and we need to think that taking a break for a while will help us analyze more and learn more details.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 06:16:44 AM

One of my neighbours, a million years ago, was obviously addict to the slot machines. He would spend hours spinning in a nearby bar (these machines are allowed in bars in my country of origin) and my take is that he would spend a fortune on it. Once, I passed by and I overheard him saying "I am going to teach this machine who is in charge". It sounded like he was attributing some short of conscience and life to the machine and though he could "beat it". I have observed that many people that gamble are into that type of thinking, that is, it is me against this code and this machine and I can actually break the code and win.

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

Many years ago something like this had also crossed my mind, although I play the slot machines only as a way to de-stress, I do not seek to win in them, I just have fun, for this reason I have very little money to bet there. Based on the knowledge that any programmer can use against these machines, whether they are algorithms to break their code is something that turns out to be too unlikely if not impossible, now with all the development of artificial intelligence I do not know how much it may be possible to do it, although I still doubt it, I think that if artificial intelligence + quantum computing is developed it may be another story.

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Quote from: Fredomago on August 03, 2021, 02:45:01 PM

Quote from: Sterbens on August 03, 2021, 10:18:19 AM

Therefore I believe, they will learn from the first table game to another table very well. Losing no matter how many times they will find a point where he knows how to become a winner. Sometimes the motivation in gambling is born from previous defeats so that you can be careful and calm in controlling the situation. Because outwardly a person will get a boost if he has the will to win. As long as you have the belief to be a winner, then don't give up you will be at the most perfect point.

If you are good in observing those mistakes after several losses and you are willing to adjust,

sometimes that patterns things out to a much better gambling outcomes, when you have good anticipation and you manage to execute the right way.

Not easy but doable, though you must also consider that it can bring more risk as the will to win will continue to keep goig back, a never ending desire of breaking the codes and win decently.

Instinct would really be there and its just normal to have those kind of adjustment when we do see that it is repeatedly done or happening and since gambling doesnt really have any patterns then this would really be a

continous process which you shouldnt really have that kind of mindset because it would really be motivating you to play even more but to focus on something positive where adjustments made just for the sake of

entertaining yourself on playing gambling because not all would really be having the same behavior towards it.Some are desperate and some are just finding ways to enjoy.

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Quote from: Sterbens on August 03, 2021, 10:18:19 AM

Therefore I believe, they will learn from the first table game to another table very well. Losing no matter how many times they will find a point where he knows how to become a winner. Sometimes the motivation in gambling is born from previous defeats so that you can be careful and calm in controlling the situation. Because outwardly a person will get a boost if he has the will to win. As long as you have the belief to be a winner, then don't give up you will be at the most perfect point.

If you are good in observing those mistakes after several losses and you are willing to adjust,

sometimes that patterns things out to a much better gambling outcomes, when you have good anticipation and you manage to execute the right way.

Not easy but doable, though you must also consider that it can bring more risk as the will to win will continue to keep goig back, a never ending desire of breaking the codes and win decently.

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Quote from: KTChampions on August 03, 2021, 07:37:27 AM

it is super monotonous and there are no options to change the strategy of the game.

There are many progressive strategies for slot games, and you can activate it in-game for ELK Studios games:

The awesome thing about slots is it has many providers who each offers unique features: progressive betting, double chance of bonus round, gamble the result, etc.

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on August 02, 2021, 03:24:14 PM

We do have different;

-mindset
-impression
-views
-conception
-plans
-motives

Are these behaviors the same? Yes they are because we are just human and we do have different reaction on how to deal up into something
which can potentially earn us some money but majority hadnt realize on whats the risk behind and they do most likely discover it up
when its already too late.

Quote from: michellee on August 03, 2021, 06:11:15 AM

Yes, losing and winning become a cycle, but losing will dominate the gambling than the winning and that is happening for many people who play gambling. If we can enjoy the game and know when to stop, we will be satisfied with the result, even if we lose and think that the next days will be better than today. We can motivate ourselves that losing in gambling is normal but what is not normal is if we still continue playing without thinking about the big loss that can come to us. We can return to gambling in the next days but we should have control for ourselves.

Therefore I believe, they will learn from the first table game to another table very well. Losing no matter how many times they will find a point where he knows how to become a winner. Sometimes the motivation in gambling is born from previous defeats so that you can be careful and calm in controlling the situation. Because outwardly a person will get a boost if he has the will to win. As long as you have the belief to be a winner, then don't give up you will be at the most perfect point.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 06:16:44 AM

One of my neighbours, a million years ago, was obviously addict to the slot machines. He would spend hours spinning in a nearby bar (these machines are allowed in bars in my country of origin) and my take is that he would spend a fortune on it. Once, I passed by and I overheard him saying "I am going to teach this machine who is in charge". It sounded like he was attributing some short of conscience and life to the machine and though he could "beat it". I have observed that many people that gamble are into that type of thinking, that is, it is me against this code and this machine and I can actually break the code and win.

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

This is what happens if you spend hours in front of the machine, you breathe life into it and treat it like human that you can conquer, but I don't think he can break the code, of all gambling games, slots are one of the games that it's hard to beat, the house edge will always pull you down.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on August 01, 2021, 12:21:42 PM

Slot games give different experiences sometimes they want to play it because of the design of the roulette, the sound making of it and the lever if we are talking about the physical slot it gives a different kind of excitement when you play it's too hard to explain but it looks like satisfaction to yourself. Today we are already in a digital world so we have different online gambling platforms and now they make more animations so the eyes of the players get more active and caught by the game to play more. Of course, if you win the game there's a chance to get to play more.

To be honest, I have never understood the appeal of slot machines. In addition to music and bright colors, there is nothing in them. The player usually presses a button and waits for the result, it is super monotonous and there are no options to change the strategy of the game.

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Quote from: Sterbens on August 02, 2021, 10:47:18 AM

Quote from: michellee on August 02, 2021, 03:47:44 AM

Yes, I am sure we will feel better if we win. But we need to know about the fact that not many of us can win from gambling. So when we lose, we need to realize that we will not have a big chance to recover the losses and it will be difficult to win the games.

Everyone returns to their respective luck, losing or winning becomes a cycle that cannot be avoided. Everything has its share when we can control gambling even if you lose, you will still be satisfied with what you bet.
Therefore, no one can motivate gambling other than oneself who is able to optimize gambling based on a fairly stable mentality to play.

Yes, losing and winning become a cycle, but losing will dominate the gambling than the winning and that is happening for many people who play gambling. If we can enjoy the game and know when to stop, we will be satisfied with the result, even if we lose and think that the next days will be better than today. We can motivate ourselves that losing in gambling is normal but what is not normal is if we still continue playing without thinking about the big loss that can come to us. We can return to gambling in the next days but we should have control for ourselves.

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Most of the people here may tell that the reason people seemingly humanizes what are otherwise non-living items was because of motivation is a bit incorrect for me. If you have watched Cast Away, you'd remember that Tom Hanks made a companion out of a volleyball and gave it a name, even going so far as to risk his life for it when he found out that he is not with him upon deserting the island. The point I am trying to make is that people may sometimes attach themselves to items that they have spent quite the time or effort with, almost to the point of humanizing them, that's why some people name their cars. The fact that they spent fortune and of course irretrievable time with the car or in your case the slot machine was enough to at least endow them with humane attributes.

Quote from: Fredomago on August 02, 2021, 03:40:34 PM

Quote from: finaleshot2016 on August 02, 2021, 03:21:22 PM

You'll know that it's so hard because he was challenge by that slot machine and claiming that he'll beat that. I think he's motivated to win a game and I think this kind of person has a higher chance of getting addicted as he already challenging the gambling game, won't stop until he beat it. No one can break the code, you'll still lose if you're unlucky and even you're super motivated to play hard.

Aside from luck and a very good emotion control nothing left for you but to lose even how motivated you are,

Most of the time gamblers think that way, they are energize thinking that they are can keep grinding out from the slots.

But in reality, most of that people who shared similar mindsets often lose a huge amount of money, and have a higher chance of getting addicted to gambling.

Play and enjoy, never to think that you can easily beat the machines, it won't work that way!

Thing is this is a bias of our brain that had been there since time immemorial, we can work around it but we will always fall under the same pit over and over again eventually. Although of course, just because it has been there as a part of our instinct doesn't mean it's normal.

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Quote from: finaleshot2016 on August 02, 2021, 03:21:22 PM

You'll know that it's so hard because he was challenge by that slot machine and claiming that he'll beat that. I think he's motivated to win a game and I think this kind of person has a higher chance of getting addicted as he already challenging the gambling game, won't stop until he beat it. No one can break the code, you'll still lose if you're unlucky and even you're super motivated to play hard.

Aside from luck and a very good emotion control nothing left for you but to lose even how motivated you are,

Most of the time gamblers think that way, they are energize thinking that they are can keep grinding out from the slots.

But in reality, most of that people who shared similar mindsets often lose a huge amount of money, and have a higher chance of getting addicted to gambling.

Play and enjoy, never to think that you can easily beat the machines, it won't work that way!

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 06:16:44 AM

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I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

Probably this neighbor didn't have knowledge about informatic, programming and house edge so he thought he could overcome the machine. It's a common thought among older people to think like this, because they have no idea how these machines work exactly or how they reach to the final result. I've seen people believing they could win if they click the button in a way or another, or even following a sequence of customized bets, as if it could trigger a bug in the system and reward them prizes constantly. Actually, a bug isn't impossible, but I doubt the bar/casino owner would let the machine there for too long if it was the case.

^ Actually the thing that comes up in their mind is not about the entertainment anymore, they think that there is one strategy that will increase their odds of winning for specific machines. Because they think that putting any amount still the same either it is on the maximum or in the minimum, there could be a possibility that you will lose. This theory they believe in is that the more you risk the more you can win, so probably in that way they can beat the machine but I don't know if they can actually break the code which is impossible. But on my own, just stick to your budget and move on once you had a loss.

It's impossible or near to impossible to break the code and even if it would happen there are many employees around following gamblers' progress in real time. If a machine is bugged, they will fastly shut it down and call a technician to repair the issue before someone else can start playing on this machine again.

On the other hand I know some people who are customers of a casino or another and they have a favorite machine to play during a specific period of the day when attending to these houses, because they suppose during that time the machine gives more rewards. Well, I'm sure something like that is possible in programming, but I'm not sure if it really happens in casinos.

Some might even say a determined machine likes them very much, so it's going to reward them more often. But this is already too much to be taken into consideration. Cheesy

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