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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 06:16:44 AM

One of my neighbours, a million years ago, was obviously addict to the slot machines. He would spend hours spinning in a nearby bar (these machines are allowed in bars in my country of origin) and my take is that he would spend a fortune on it. Once, I passed by and I overheard him saying "I am going to teach this machine who is in charge". It sounded like he was attributing some short of conscience and life to the machine and though he could "beat it". I have observed that many people that gamble are into that type of thinking, that is, it is me against this code and this machine and I can actually break the code and win.

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

Like any habit forming activity - people tend to drift into slot machines because of "boredom" and a lack of self control compounds the issue. Many people will take up such games because they are trying to fill some sort of emptiness in their life or need some sort of distraction. It starts off very slowly, they might get introduced to a machine on a night out with friends while they're having a great time and then they go back to it trying to rekindle some good memories or perhaps they won a lot on their first go - so think it is easy money. You just need to try to understand the math going on behind it to see that you will never win on such fixed-odds betting machines and it's not worth your money ever trying to find ways to break them.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 06:16:44 AM

One of my neighbours, a million years ago, was obviously addict to the slot machines. He would spend hours spinning in a nearby bar (these machines are allowed in bars in my country of origin) and my take is that he would spend a fortune on it. Once, I passed by and I overheard him saying "I am going to teach this machine who is in charge". It sounded like he was attributing some short of conscience and life to the machine and though he could "beat it". I have observed that many people that gamble are into that type of thinking, that is, it is me against this code and this machine and I can actually break the code and win.

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

It's an addiction like most other forms of gambling. Why do people play the lottery le scratch offs. Same terrible probability of winning. But there is always that dollar and a dream thought, where you can win big. Will someone, yes. Will nearly everyone else bankrupt, yep. Addiction and "the dream".

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Coding for anything involving cash transactions will be done in a black box manner where interlinked modules are each assembled independently without direct cooperation by a team spread out in their development and this is to avoid compromise to the project by any one person having control of the overall process or the ability to put in a back door that would give a pay out of some kind.
I'd say that kind of process is probably used in a few different sectors, banking, gambling anything with alot of safety and double checks required etc.

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Quote from: madnessteat on August 23, 2021, 10:40:34 AM

Even if you are a good coder I don't think you can replace the code with your own or copy the slot machine software to find the error in the code since nobody will allow you to connect your hardware for this manipulation. In today's world which is almost everywhere full of surveillance cameras this doesn't make any sense because the risks are too high.

Maybe they think the topic is about online software. For those recent responses, the topic is about a physical slot machine.

Even a coder will pass by on that slot machine, I doubt at only a few attempts he will discover how to cheat on it. That coder won't spend time searching for loopholes but instead just play on it then leave.

It will be also hard for that coder to cheat on that machine as that requires disassembling it which is impossible to do.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on August 23, 2021, 11:09:20 PM

I am sure the coder can find the loophole in their server and tell the owner or their security to fix the bug. Maybe the owner will think about hiring that coder to join their team to get paid with a nice payment. Right now, if someone can work as a security team, they can earn a lot of money because the site will need a high-skills of security that can protect their site from attackers.

There's always a process and before the business will completely start, there are test run to process,

And it's a must have an expert security programmers to protect your business, people who are highly trained to make sure that there's no
Hackers that will hack you into the system and suck all the money, maybe some leak, but it should be noticeable right away. We know hackers will always find the ways,.

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Quote from: hello_good_sir on August 10, 2021, 04:51:30 AM

This is definitely a problem with gamblers.

I think that most people don't even realise that they are playing a game that carries negative EV. They just go in and expect to make money as if they are not playing for the sake of entertainment.

That actually really concerns me, and I think must be addressed.

People shouldn't be playing because they think there is some loophole that doesn't exist. They should be playing for fun and for personal enjoyment.

That's right. First of all, you should be a really good coder to have even a slightest chance of finding a loophole. But then, if you are so good in coding, you know that it can take a lot of time, and most likely the time will be wasted in vain. Also, your salary, as of a good coder, can be pretty good and you'll don't have time for such nonsense.

Being a good coder always have big opportunity. Rather than using it for finding loophole one can easily develop better things and make a bigger earning out of it. Right now I find blockchain developers paid good, so coding people can prefer these kind of development.

I am sure the coder can find the loophole in their server and tell the owner or their security to fix the bug. Maybe the owner will think about hiring that coder to join their team to get paid with a nice payment. Right now, if someone can work as a security team, they can earn a lot of money because the site will need a high-skills of security that can protect their site from attackers.

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Quote from: alegotardo on August 23, 2021, 01:59:52 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on August 12, 2021, 03:29:08 AM

Quote from: hello_good_sir on August 10, 2021, 04:51:30 AM

This is definitely a problem with gamblers.

I think that most people don't even realise that they are playing a game that carries negative EV. They just go in and expect to make money as if they are not playing for the sake of entertainment.

That actually really concerns me, and I think must be addressed.

People shouldn't be playing because they think there is some loophole that doesn't exist. They should be playing for fun and for personal enjoyment.

That's right. First of all, you should be a really good coder to have even a slightest chance of finding a loophole. But then, if you are so good in coding, you know that it can take a lot of time, and most likely the time will be wasted in vain. Also, your salary, as of a good coder, can be pretty good and you'll don't have time for such nonsense.

that's why I love block-chain gambling.
It's very easy to verify your bets themselves when an honest site offers you the tools to verify it, even in most of them you can even verify your bets on third-party sites.

Of course, the house will always have the advantage, but no one can say it was stolen.

You wouldnt know until it would be obvious for someone could able to observe and those kind of behavior is just normal.We do mind about fairness because we are risking or putting our money on here
and its just normal that we would really be having that kind of thoughts or thingg in mind.As a gambler and a bit impulsive or emotional then these kind of things could really happen.
Motivated on breaking the code? In most cases then this is something which isnt really hat possible most of the time.

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 12, 2021, 03:29:08 AM

Quote from: hello_good_sir on August 10, 2021, 04:51:30 AM

This is definitely a problem with gamblers.

I think that most people don't even realise that they are playing a game that carries negative EV. They just go in and expect to make money as if they are not playing for the sake of entertainment.

That actually really concerns me, and I think must be addressed.

People shouldn't be playing because they think there is some loophole that doesn't exist. They should be playing for fun and for personal enjoyment.

That's right. First of all, you should be a really good coder to have even a slightest chance of finding a loophole. But then, if you are so good in coding, you know that it can take a lot of time, and most likely the time will be wasted in vain. Also, your salary, as of a good coder, can be pretty good and you'll don't have time for such nonsense.

that's why I love block-chain gambling.
It's very easy to verify your bets themselves when an honest site offers you the tools to verify it, even in most of them you can even verify your bets on third-party sites.

Of course, the house will always have the advantage, but no one can say it was stolen.

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 12, 2021, 03:29:08 AM

Quote from: hello_good_sir on August 10, 2021, 04:51:30 AM

This is definitely a problem with gamblers.

I think that most people don't even realise that they are playing a game that carries negative EV. They just go in and expect to make money as if they are not playing for the sake of entertainment.

That actually really concerns me, and I think must be addressed.

People shouldn't be playing because they think there is some loophole that doesn't exist. They should be playing for fun and for personal enjoyment.

That's right. First of all, you should be a really good coder to have even a slightest chance of finding a loophole. But then, if you are so good in coding, you know that it can take a lot of time, and most likely the time will be wasted in vain. Also, your salary, as of a good coder, can be pretty good and you'll don't have time for such nonsense.

Even if you are a good coder I don't think you can replace the code with your own or copy the slot machine software to find the error in the code since nobody will allow you to connect your hardware for this manipulation. In today's world which is almost everywhere full of surveillance cameras this doesn't make any sense because the risks are too high.

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 12, 2021, 03:29:08 AM

Quote from: hello_good_sir on August 10, 2021, 04:51:30 AM

This is definitely a problem with gamblers.

I think that most people don't even realise that they are playing a game that carries negative EV. They just go in and expect to make money as if they are not playing for the sake of entertainment.

That actually really concerns me, and I think must be addressed.

People shouldn't be playing because they think there is some loophole that doesn't exist. They should be playing for fun and for personal enjoyment.

That's right. First of all, you should be a really good coder to have even a slightest chance of finding a loophole. But then, if you are so good in coding, you know that it can take a lot of time, and most likely the time will be wasted in vain. Also, your salary, as of a good coder, can be pretty good and you'll don't have time for such nonsense.

Being a good coder always have big opportunity. Rather than using it for finding loophole one can easily develop better things and make a bigger earning out of it. Right now I find blockchain developers paid good, so coding people can prefer these kind of development.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 06:16:44 AM

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

I rarely play slots but on those times that I played slots I rarely win that is why I don't consider playing it often, your friend is just frustrated and he is putting his frustration on the slot that is why he says he is breaking the code which is really impossible to do because the house edge control the situation and he is just waiting for his turn to win based on the algorithm.

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Quote from: hello_good_sir on August 10, 2021, 04:51:30 AM

This is definitely a problem with gamblers.

I think that most people don't even realise that they are playing a game that carries negative EV. They just go in and expect to make money as if they are not playing for the sake of entertainment.

That actually really concerns me, and I think must be addressed.

People shouldn't be playing because they think there is some loophole that doesn't exist. They should be playing for fun and for personal enjoyment.

That's right. First of all, you should be a really good coder to have even a slightest chance of finding a loophole. But then, if you are so good in coding, you know that it can take a lot of time, and most likely the time will be wasted in vain. Also, your salary, as of a good coder, can be pretty good and you'll don't have time for such nonsense.

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This is definitely a problem with gamblers.

I think that most people don't even realise that they are playing a game that carries negative EV. They just go in and expect to make money as if they are not playing for the sake of entertainment.

That actually really concerns me, and I think must be addressed.

People shouldn't be playing because they think there is some loophole that doesn't exist. They should be playing for fun and for personal enjoyment.

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Quote from: newwest on August 08, 2021, 01:15:52 AM

How many of such people can actually end up winning or say able to beat the slot machine code. Many would try and play huge bets but in the end will end up mostly losing it and only a fractional percentage of the total users might be end up beating those codes or win it. Talking about the users who play continuously and from long time.

I don't think there are many gamblers who play slot machines regularly and are winning. Sure there will be some lucky few who manage to beat the jackpot, but most of us won't be so lucky. The casino has an advantage on these machines and the longer we play the closer we get to the edge of the casino. If someone says he broke the code of the machine I would only believe it if I see him do it

Agree! Casino machines are nearly impossible to break nowadays, but if we're talking about a few years ago, it should have had a bug or some sort of weakness to exploit so you could win, but most of the time it doesn't because it is thoroughly inspected. Slot machines have a low chance of winning, but they excite you every time you roll them in the hopes of winning, and because they are not bugged or foolproof, it is impossible to break them.

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If someone says he broke the code of the machine I would only believe it if I see him do it

If someone is able to crack the code then they may profit all the money from that machine until management change the algorithm. If they find a machine is draining out then definitely they will change codes/algorithm as early as possible and this is how casinos are surviving even among many hacks.

I am sure that person will trying to get as much money as he can while he can still use the machine to give him the money. But I am sure the casino will see about that and they will check it as soon as possible and will change the code so no one will be able to use the loophole to get the money.

I see the ads that telling someone can break the code on the casino and earn so much money and he sell the method to people. But I am sure that method will not work anymore as the casino already change everything.

Greed will push them to keep doing it until they find out that the code already changed.

On the other side, casino or owner of that machine also alluring that gambler allowing him to suck some amount
then after that the next thing that will happened to him, is keep coming back and losing more than what he earned.
That's also possible right?

Yes, that is possible. The casino really knows how to lure the gamblers to come back and play more games and spend their money while the casino will receive their loss with a smile. When we can make money from the casino, we tend to repeat the process with the same thing as before or make a little modifying if we can not win but in the end, we are only losing the money we have plus the win money. And that will make us lose all of the money. The casino already changes the code but the gamblers might not realize that and they tend to keep trying to winning from the games.

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Quote from: Pamadar on August 09, 2021, 06:01:05 AM

On the other side, casino or owner of that machine also alluring that gambler allowing him to suck some amount then after that the next thing that will happened to him, is keep coming back and losing more than what he earned.
That's also possible right?

It's possible but there are a lot of random players everyday using that machine so it is likely not always the case. Or maybe they will give winnings to random players on that day and lucky for those who will play at the right time the machine will change its winning probability.

But the usual is, the probability of winning is fixed at any machines or slots, with a low chance of winning a big amount, as it is supposed to.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on August 08, 2021, 10:46:04 PM

Quote from: fullhdpixel on August 08, 2021, 04:22:19 AM

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If someone says he broke the code of the machine I would only believe it if I see him do it

If someone is able to crack the code then they may profit all the money from that machine until management change the algorithm. If they find a machine is draining out then definitely they will change codes/algorithm as early as possible and this is how casinos are surviving even among many hacks.

I am sure that person will trying to get as much money as he can while he can still use the machine to give him the money. But I am sure the casino will see about that and they will check it as soon as possible and will change the code so no one will be able to use the loophole to get the money.

I see the ads that telling someone can break the code on the casino and earn so much money and he sell the method to people. But I am sure that method will not work anymore as the casino already change everything.

Greed will push them to keep doing it until they find out that the code already changed.

On the other side, casino or owner of that machine also alluring that gambler allowing him to suck some amount
then after that the next thing that will happened to him, is keep coming back and losing more than what he earned.
That's also possible right?

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on August 08, 2021, 04:22:19 AM

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If someone says he broke the code of the machine I would only believe it if I see him do it

If someone is able to crack the code then they may profit all the money from that machine until management change the algorithm. If they find a machine is draining out then definitely they will change codes/algorithm as early as possible and this is how casinos are surviving even among many hacks.

I am sure that person will trying to get as much money as he can while he can still use the machine to give him the money. But I am sure the casino will see about that and they will check it as soon as possible and will change the code so no one will be able to use the loophole to get the money.

I see the ads that telling someone can break the code on the casino and earn so much money and he sell the method to people. But I am sure that method will not work anymore as the casino already change everything.

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on August 08, 2021, 04:22:19 AM

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The casino has an advantage on these machines and the longer we play the closer we get to the edge of the casino.

But in my experience, the more you play the more you will lose. Attempting in more number of times, will not maximize your chance of beating the house is such games which includes dicing as well. If you are lucky you may hit on your first attempt and if you exit at that point then you may remain profits and if you try for another time then you may lose or at least on the third attempt.

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If someone says he broke the code of the machine I would only believe it if I see him do it

If someone is able to crack the code then they may profit all the money from that machine until management change the algorithm. If they find a machine is draining out then definitely they will change codes/algorithm as early as possible and this is how casinos are surviving even among many hacks.

Agree with you tho, if you play too much, you're just increasing your chances of losing because it's not always a win-win situation because, in gambling, you're always losing.

I don't really rely on this breaking the code scheme because it just gives you a reason to play more, and winning is still not dependent on it.

You will lose if you do not win.

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The casino has an advantage on these machines and the longer we play the closer we get to the edge of the casino.

But in my experience, the more you play the more you will lose. Attempting in more number of times, will not maximize your chance of beating the house is such games which includes dicing as well. If you are lucky you may hit on your first attempt and if you exit at that point then you may remain profits and if you try for another time then you may lose or at least on the third attempt.

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If someone says he broke the code of the machine I would only believe it if I see him do it

If someone is able to crack the code then they may profit all the money from that machine until management change the algorithm. If they find a machine is draining out then definitely they will change codes/algorithm as early as possible and this is how casinos are surviving even among many hacks.

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