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Quote from: Hamphser on July 28, 2021, 01:57:35 PM

Quote from: Kakmakr on July 28, 2021, 01:45:34 PM

I think it is human to "challenge" authority or a someone with power..... or something that are difficult to win. The "House" always win is a challenge that are created to motivate people to conquer it.... and a small percentage of people can achieve that. The reason why the "house" always wins... is because people do not stop gambling after they win.... they just play on and deposit again.

You cannot see the "code" .... but you know there is a machine (algorithm) that are behind that code... and you want to challenge that machine to see if you can out smart that "machine" .....(in our mind, humans must be better than machines) Roll Eyes

Big wins are the motivation of those people whom do really think that they can really beat up the house which is really a very wrong mindset to have.Most gamblers would really be having this

kind of motive in mind which would really be pushing their limits and end up on wrecking their wallets or simply with finances. Beating up a machine?

Its an impossible thing to happen.We should play for entertainment and not for making some income.

Not unless you'll hacked the system which illegal and a possible of getting you caught in the act.

I agree with your point in terms of this kind of motivations which really leading gamblers to aimed for more, greed and the mindset that luck will bring them the wins that they are aiming to have.

Best to play and enjoy, pay for your entertainment but make sure to set your limitations, there's no chance breaking the code as the house test everything first before they allow the sytem to run, they are not fool to let someone to break in and suck their money out.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on July 28, 2021, 01:45:34 PM

I think it is human to "challenge" authority or a someone with power..... or something that are difficult to win. The "House" always win is a challenge that are created to motivate people to conquer it.... and a small percentage of people can achieve that. The reason why the "house" always wins... is because people do not stop gambling after they win.... they just play on and deposit again.

You cannot see the "code" .... but you know there is a machine (algorithm) that are behind that code... and you want to challenge that machine to see if you can out smart that "machine" .....(in our mind, humans must be better than machines) Roll Eyes

Big wins are the motivation of those people whom do really think that they can really beat up the house which is really a very wrong mindset to have.Most gamblers would really be having this

kind of motive in mind which would really be pushing their limits and end up on wrecking their wallets or simply with finances. Beating up a machine?

Its an impossible thing to happen.We should play for entertainment and not for making some income.

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I think it is human to "challenge" authority or a someone with power..... or something that are difficult to win. The "House" always win is a challenge that are created to motivate people to conquer it.... and a small percentage of people can achieve that. The reason why the "house" always wins... is because people do not stop gambling after they win.... they just play on and deposit again.

You cannot see the "code" .... but you know there is a machine (algorithm) that are behind that code... and you want to challenge that machine to see if you can out smart that "machine" .....(in our mind, humans must be better than machines) Roll Eyes

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 06:16:44 AM

One of my neighbours, a million years ago, was obviously addict to the slot machines. He would spend hours spinning in a nearby bar (these machines are allowed in bars in my country of origin) and my take is that he would spend a fortune on it. Once, I passed by and I overheard him saying "I am going to teach this machine who is in charge". It sounded like he was attributing some short of conscience and life to the machine and though he could "beat it". I have observed that many people that gamble are into that type of thinking, that is, it is me against this code and this machine and I can actually break the code and win.

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

The sort of people who sit in front of a slot machine day after day, hour after hour, filling it with their last pennies are not the sort of people who will ever break anything - except their bank accounts. They are addicts at the end of the day and feeding the repetitive behavior that fires off the happy chemicals in their head is how they get their "release". There are sometimes very clever people who figure out mechanical hacks or bugs in the software that runs casino slot machines, however they are astonishingly rare and will be closed down by the gambling operators if they get even a whiff of unprofitable play from their machines. Just like anything, the people who write the (albeit heavily vetted) code in slot machines are vulnerable to making mistakes or the internal design of the machines can sometimes be broken by clever tricks - like placing a magnet somewhere, but the builders have a long memory for fixing vulnerabilities.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 28, 2021, 05:54:38 AM

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 28, 2021, 01:53:37 AM

If the player is initially determined to find weaknesses in the code/algorithm of the slot machine and use it to win, then this is quite adequate (although in many cases it is illegal and it is necessary to look at the details in each individual case). If he just plays by the rules that are included in the gaming machine and hopes to beat it, then this is just silly.

To cheat a slot machine you need to replace the firmware unnoticed by the owner of this slot machine but such players are not able to do it, they try to catch luck by the tail thinking that the algorithm can cheat with the help of requests, prayers, etc. That's why guys like this have always made me laugh.

Yes, such cases are ridiculous, but sometimes players can find real vulnerabilities and exploit it. For example, I read that in some slot machine, after several losses, the player received a "hint" ie guaranteed to receive one win. At the same time, the slot machine did not take into account the change in the bet size, i.e. the player first lost on micro stakes and after that he was guaranteed to win at the maximum bet.

Of course, this situation can not be excluded, but I think that the error in the software code will be quickly found and eliminated, as the owner of the gaming machine knows how much money it should bring under the conditions they set.

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Quote from: pawanjain on July 28, 2021, 10:33:19 AM

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Quote from: pawanjain on July 26, 2021, 10:36:49 AM

In my perspective it's not about breaking the code but about the satisfaction of winning and the reward we receive afterwards.
Gamblers are motivated because the joy of winning drives themselves to carry out different strategies to somehow win the gamble.
Not only in gambling but at any point in life where there's a competition, we tend to try out various strategies to somehow win that particular event.
I believe this is why all gamblers tend to gamble frequently so that they can keep winning the games.

And things often experienced by gamblers when entering for the first time to gamble, the house provided him as a winner to withdraw more funds that were issued the second time by the gambler. so that without realizing the pattern of the gambler's game no longer thinks about what he has spent.
Then continue to add funds to enter in larger amounts, with reference to the first win. as an impetus to keep going and winning gambling is the biggest mistake.
If you want to play with the residents of the Casino who designed the Gambling system, then the gambler needs to play smoother. play, win and withdraw profits if you have reached the minimum withdrawal. save capital then play again.

It does seem like that the gambling website/casino is allowing the gamblers to win deliberately initially but I don't think that's the case.
If the games are provably fair then the win/lose ratio is not in the operators hands. It just happens randomly.
But yeah we do get the feeling that we are winning but eventually we lose at the end.
This is why gamblers tend to deposit more in the hope that they win.

Well, on average, that's what often happens. As one of the effective promotion methods for casinos to be able to control the emotions of new gamblers who join. Plus the beginners think of him as a good start, even though he fell into a trap that was designed in such a way. Not a few addicted beginners spend their time in shackled gambling. Nothing can escape it.

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A million years ago... when we had only poker machines in my neighborhood... and after winning hand you can play lower/higher, sometimes people played until the machine gets "tilted"... I can remember exactly after how many wins that happens, 23 or something like that! It's like maximum payout and that's it! Something that doesn't happen often, and many people lose a lot before they hit that!

I guess it's the same with slots! We want to see max win! It's not like that happens to everyone, but it happens! Some people have more luck than others! Just yesterday one guy from BTCGosu won x5000, max win on Zeus slot, cashed out $2k! It's what I think breaking a code/machine means! In my country we say it "tilt", like in pinball, when the machine is not working, you broke it in that moment!

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Quote from: imstillthebest on July 27, 2021, 02:04:38 AM

for the most people that was just an expression when they say they can beat the hell out of it or break its code but for a real hackers ,
they can literaly break the code of that machine or a gambling site if the code or the software was written poorly but it can happen on any types of games not only in slots .
they are desperate and they do anything in order to make a revenge . we need to have a control in gambling before we end up like this

Hacking is a Skill mate , those people are gifted with talent that only few has, there are many computer genius but only few are successful hackers.
even the government is hiring some to work with so this is not a total Mess job.
But indeed that Hacking gambling site is a sign of either addiction or laziness to find real job and that is they end up hacking the site for them to gamble more.

I agree, that hackers should be looked after by the government to be used as cyber soldiers in the digital world, whose duty is to prevent rumors from entering the country, or perhaps to serve as a bulwark of technological power that is tasked with guarding the defense system.
They need to be funded in the right way. Because Hackers are not really criminals, they are special people, and of course it is very difficult to have such a very rare skill.
As for what makes them criminals who often break into banks, data theft, etc. Because they are not welcomed by their country, they are even considered a threat. So in order to survive, they do things that are against the government in their country.

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Quote from: Sterbens on July 27, 2021, 08:29:28 AM

Quote from: pawanjain on July 26, 2021, 10:36:49 AM

In my perspective it's not about breaking the code but about the satisfaction of winning and the reward we receive afterwards.
Gamblers are motivated because the joy of winning drives themselves to carry out different strategies to somehow win the gamble.
Not only in gambling but at any point in life where there's a competition, we tend to try out various strategies to somehow win that particular event.
I believe this is why all gamblers tend to gamble frequently so that they can keep winning the games.

And things often experienced by gamblers when entering for the first time to gamble, the house provided him as a winner to withdraw more funds that were issued the second time by the gambler. so that without realizing the pattern of the gambler's game no longer thinks about what he has spent.
Then continue to add funds to enter in larger amounts, with reference to the first win. as an impetus to keep going and winning gambling is the biggest mistake.
If you want to play with the residents of the Casino who designed the Gambling system, then the gambler needs to play smoother. play, win and withdraw profits if you have reached the minimum withdrawal. save capital then play again.

It does seem like that the gambling website/casino is allowing the gamblers to win deliberately initially but I don't think that's the case.
If the games are provably fair then the win/lose ratio is not in the operators hands. It just happens randomly.
But yeah we do get the feeling that we are winning but eventually we lose at the end.
This is why gamblers tend to deposit more in the hope that they win.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on July 28, 2021, 12:34:24 AM

If you search the internet there are a lot of attempts and some really successful cheating slots machine with various ways, the one that stuck in my mind is the synchronize clock method where the abuser pushes the button at the calculated time. Anyway, I don't think most slots players play because they want to "break the code." The game itself is the main attraction and when you see some documentaries, some players actually feel sad when they win, because they love the journey, not the prize at the end of it.

That's a real gambler right there and an example of not having a common sense, not having fun when they are winning. I think those kind of people need help because they should be happy that they are winning already plus if they win they can just go back to playing the slots with their winnings.

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Quote from: Cling18 on July 28, 2021, 09:30:38 AM

Maybe that's just their way of dealing with losses. It's hard to cheat on slot machines and I also have friends who have lost a lot in slot machines and regret things later on. There's no definite technique or strategy on it and the result will always rely on your luck. Sometimes, greediness to earn more is one of the reasons why players lost in slot machines.

and finally, a few hours ago I felt it when playing Slots. It really drained all my balance. Slot machines have been designed, so that when we stop, we are given a win. Then after continuing, we will be defeated again. There is no easy jackpot to get.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 06:16:44 AM

"I am going to teach this machine who is in charge".

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

Your neighbor's emotions really explode to break the code, what he tells you is an uncontrollable emotion and he wants to do it, I'm sure your neighbor will end in defeat.

I often hear from friends who lost when betting on slot machines, tomorrow I will beat the code, I will overthrow the slot game ... the result is that he becomes the victim of the slot game.

I'm also curious about your neighbor, did you ever see him again after saying he won the code, what did he do, did he manage to do it....I'm sure he'll be embarrassed when he sees you again.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 28, 2021, 05:54:38 AM

Yes, such cases are ridiculous, but sometimes players can find real vulnerabilities and exploit it. For example, I read that in some slot machine, after several losses, the player received a "hint" ie guaranteed to receive one win. At the same time, the slot machine did not take into account the change in the bet size, i.e. the player first lost on micro stakes and after that he was guaranteed to win at the maximum bet.

If this story is true, it is simply a software bug that the player could exploit. Something like this would not work in offline casinos, where the slots are completely monitored and an illegal payout would be noticed and withdrawn immediately, so you are left without a win (but of course you don't get your bet back so easily).

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 06:16:44 AM

One of my neighbours, a million years ago, was obviously addict to the slot machines. He would spend hours spinning in a nearby bar (these machines are allowed in bars in my country of origin) and my take is that he would spend a fortune on it. Once, I passed by and I overheard him saying "I am going to teach this machine who is in charge". It sounded like he was attributing some short of conscience and life to the machine and though he could "beat it". I have observed that many people that gamble are into that type of thinking, that is, it is me against this code and this machine and I can actually break the code and win.

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

Maybe that's just their way of dealing with losses. It's hard to cheat on slot machines and I also have friends who have lost a lot in slot machines and regret things later on. There's no definite technique or strategy on it and the result will always rely on your luck. Sometimes, greediness to earn more is one of the reasons why players lost in slot machines.

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Quote from: madnessteat on July 28, 2021, 05:38:39 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on July 28, 2021, 01:53:37 AM

If the player is initially determined to find weaknesses in the code/algorithm of the slot machine and use it to win, then this is quite adequate (although in many cases it is illegal and it is necessary to look at the details in each individual case). If he just plays by the rules that are included in the gaming machine and hopes to beat it, then this is just silly.

To cheat a slot machine you need to replace the firmware unnoticed by the owner of this slot machine but such players are not able to do it, they try to catch luck by the tail thinking that the algorithm can cheat with the help of requests, prayers, etc. That's why guys like this have always made me laugh.

Yes, such cases are ridiculous, but sometimes players can find real vulnerabilities and exploit it. For example, I read that in some slot machine, after several losses, the player received a "hint" ie guaranteed to receive one win. At the same time, the slot machine did not take into account the change in the bet size, i.e. the player first lost on micro stakes and after that he was guaranteed to win at the maximum bet.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 28, 2021, 01:53:37 AM

If the player is initially determined to find weaknesses in the code/algorithm of the slot machine and use it to win, then this is quite adequate (although in many cases it is illegal and it is necessary to look at the details in each individual case). If he just plays by the rules that are included in the gaming machine and hopes to beat it, then this is just silly.

To cheat a slot machine you need to replace the firmware unnoticed by the owner of this slot machine but such players are not able to do it, they try to catch luck by the tail thinking that the algorithm can cheat with the help of requests, prayers, etc. That's why guys like this have always made me laugh.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 06:16:44 AM

One of my neighbours, a million years ago, was obviously addict to the slot machines. He would spend hours spinning in a nearby bar (these machines are allowed in bars in my country of origin) and my take is that he would spend a fortune on it.

Slot machines are money rip-offs. You will never make money in the long run because they are programmed so that you always lose. Slot machines are not just random, but they have certain mechanisms implemented that ensure that the operator always wins and the mechanisms for winning are completely intransparent.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 26, 2021, 06:16:44 AM

One of my neighbours, a million years ago, was obviously addict to the slot machines. He would spend hours spinning in a nearby bar (these machines are allowed in bars in my country of origin) and my take is that he would spend a fortune on it. Once, I passed by and I overheard him saying "I am going to teach this machine who is in charge". It sounded like he was attributing some short of conscience and life to the machine and though he could "beat it". I have observed that many people that gamble are into that type of thinking, that is, it is me against this code and this machine and I can actually break the code and win.

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

There is no way you can break the code or outplay the slot machine or do anything else that let's you find out how exactly the mechanics of the machine works which makes you win more often or stuff like that. Slot machines are 100% luck based and there is no way to improve your winnings with certain tactics or timings or whatever. I am pretty sure that the statements of your neighbour are just a clear sign of a massive gambling addiction, as you said yourself that he spent hours on the spinning machine and already lost a fortune on it. So i don't think people start playing slot machines out of curiosity how the code works and how to break the code but they say stuff like that once they became addicted to playing the slot machine.

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Quote from: KennyR on July 28, 2021, 12:41:26 AM

When one is new to gambling and has made some fortune or made good wins will be having this kind of mentality. This is common, because we think we can make continued win and turn millionaires and so on. Only after days of gambling and losing we'll understand it isn't an easy thing to break the code or to win against the house edge.

There are gamblers who have made millions with tricks and studying the script thats been used on particular slot games.

That is what happens to the new gambler who does not have much experience with playing gambling. They can win because of their luck, but they do not realize it and still play to earn more money, but then when they suddenly lose their money, that will not stop them from playing. Instead of breaking the code and against the house, it will be better for them not to do that because that can make them caught by the house because the house will never let anyone break their code. If a gambler knows about that, they will try to stop after winning because chasing more wins will not be advisable.

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If the player is initially determined to find weaknesses in the code/algorithm of the slot machine and use it to win, then this is quite adequate (although in many cases it is illegal and it is necessary to look at the details in each individual case). If he just plays by the rules that are included in the gaming machine and hopes to beat it, then this is just silly.

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