It is true that Charles would have done better with Red Bull than Ferrari because Red Bull is a better car, but there is a very legit reason why Max is driving Red Bull and Charles driving Ferrari, which is the simple fact that Max is better. In any driving related sport, things are a bit different than other sports, because just talent is not enough, you can be the most talented person on a grid but if you are not brave then you will lose.
The chances of overtaking someone in a hard situation is not easy, sure if you are at the straight with DRS open then you can overtake, and Charles does that very well, follows up a person very closely and passes them on DRS, but Max can pass you with no DRS and a very very very late brake to take that crashing risk just to overtake you, he has no fear at all, that is what makes him so aggressive and gets him the wins.
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April 17, 2023, 01:16:10 PM
April 17, 2023, 07:11:41 AM
Certainly a bad result for Bagnaia, he had to crash at turn three. There was actually no pressure from the riders behind, but he failed to keep his balance and crashed. He performed well from the start, he had a wide gap with Marini. It seems that he is unlucky.
The beginning of the season there are always surprises and these two races we were shown by many changes in race results. It was actually Bagnaia who I found the most convincing, but he was unlucky this time. Luckily he won in this Sprint Race making the difference in points not too big.
The beginning of the season there are always surprises and these two races we were shown by many changes in race results. It was actually Bagnaia who I found the most convincing, but he was unlucky this time. Luckily he won in this Sprint Race making the difference in points not too big.
April 17, 2023, 06:13:22 AM
Looks great to see such new names topping the leaderboard but it is still a Ducati,which reinforces our views that this season is going to be a boring one.I said that Bagnaia should not have been worried for his slip in the past race but if he keeps doing it in every race then things will get complicated by him as he will lose a lot of points and the other riders can be cautious trying to make as many points as they can to keep their leadership.I am not saying this will be the case but problems can arise,nevertheless even if he has gone down 2 races in a row still Ducati is the team to beat and most likely Bagnaia is still the strongest contender to the title despite his recent results.
Yes, Bagnaia crashed in the main race, it cost him a lot of points. Rins and Marini are certainly lucky because when they fall they are already quite far apart. The result of this race made Rins rise to third place. It's the beginning of the season, but Bagnaia seems unlucky in this series of races. This is Provisional rakings after Amerika Serikat Series
No Rider Team Poin
1. Marco Bezzecchi Mooney VR46 Ducati 64
2. Francesco Bagnaia Ducati Lenovo 53
3. Alex Rins LCR Honda 47
4. Maverick Vinales Aprilia Racing 45
5. Johann Zarco Pramac Ducati 44
6. Luca Marini Mooney VR46 Ducati 38
7. Fabio Quartararo Monster Yamaha 34
8. Alex Marquez Gresini Ducati 33
9. Brad Binder Red Bull KTM 30
10. Franco Morbidelli Monster Yamaha 29
Source
April 17, 2023, 04:12:15 AM
I agree about Verstappen's being more skilled than Leclerc in Formula 1 right now. Maybe we haven't seen Ferrari being able to give a car without problems or having a good season without simple tactical mistakes. But it doesn't mean that Leclerc was still amazing despite that. Leclerc also made some individual mistakes which he accepted it every time. Verstappen is not a perfect driver of course but he is close to that. 
Because I don't see him making that kind of mistakes much. It is very rare thing for him. I don't think this would change for him even if he starts driving a much slower car. Yes maybe he is driving the fastest car which has a big role in his being comfortable about winning championships. But people still shouldn't be unfair to him I think.
Because he isn't an unskilled driver who can do a good job with only a very fast car. He can push to the limit in every car he drives.
I would guess that it is a bit of a mix of things. Think about how well Verstappen grew when they gave him a red bull car when he was so young, plus he always raced in a car that went well, not just fast and at the top levels which is also true, they were mostly top three at all the years he was there right? Then it could be said that he was given a better chance, whereas Charles got it later and he was always given a terrible car and a terrible team at that as well.Because I don't see him making that kind of mistakes much. It is very rare thing for him. I don't think this would change for him even if he starts driving a much slower car. Yes maybe he is driving the fastest car which has a big role in his being comfortable about winning championships. But people still shouldn't be unfair to him I think.
Because he isn't an unskilled driver who can do a good job with only a very fast car. He can push to the limit in every car he drives.
So when you combine these two together, I bet that if Charles was given Red Bull when Max was given it, and if Max was given Ferrari when Charles did, and we let them race until today, I am sure that Charles would have failed to get that 2021 title, but would have been an easy champion last year for sure. Max has the edge and better driver, but not by as much as the points dictate, the difference would have been lower if they were racing in a similar car, or just put Charles where Perez is and watch the fun
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April 16, 2023, 05:18:03 PM
It is going to be a boring Championship in MotoGP then and Bagnaia should not at all worry that he slipped in the past race.I also am not seeing any competition from the Japanese manufacturers and the only pole position that Marquez got so far if I am not mistaken is thanks only to his extreme talent but his injuries are keeping him at bay from a couple of seasons now
I totally agree, it would be a very boring season if Bagnaia had held his nerve in every race, but it seems like the last few seasons he needs some time for consistency, good for us spectators. But he can't afford to crash too often, otherwise it will be difficult to defend the world championship, I thought he could start the season more relaxed as reigning world champion.
But I'm happy for Rins and his victory, and unexpectedly a Honda has now won 🤣, but the track in Texas is already very bad, as we saw with the above-average number of failures, so the operator has a duty for next year.
April 16, 2023, 04:06:04 PM
Results of Moto GP
1 Alex Rins SPA LCR Honda (RC213V) 41m 14.649s
2 Luca Marini ITA Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP22) +3.498s
3 Fabio Quartararo FRA Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) +4.936s
4 Maverick Viñales SPA Aprilia Racing (RS-GP23) +8.318s
5 Miguel Oliveira POR RNF Aprilia (RS-GP22) +9.989s
6 Marco Bezzecchi ITA Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP22) +12.049s
7 Johann Zarco FRA Pramac Ducati (GP22) +12.242s
8 Franco Morbidelli ITA Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) +20.399s
9 Fabio Di Giannantonio ITA Gresini Ducati (GP22) +27.981s
10 Augusto Fernandez SPA Tech3 GASGAS (RC16)* +28.217s
Bagnaia fall again and now the leader of the Moto Gp leaderboard is incredible to Marco Bezzecchi
Source: https://www.crash.net/motogp/results/1024332/1/americas-motogp-new-world-championship-standings
1 Alex Rins SPA LCR Honda (RC213V) 41m 14.649s
2 Luca Marini ITA Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP22) +3.498s
3 Fabio Quartararo FRA Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) +4.936s
4 Maverick Viñales SPA Aprilia Racing (RS-GP23) +8.318s
5 Miguel Oliveira POR RNF Aprilia (RS-GP22) +9.989s
6 Marco Bezzecchi ITA Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP22) +12.049s
7 Johann Zarco FRA Pramac Ducati (GP22) +12.242s
8 Franco Morbidelli ITA Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) +20.399s
9 Fabio Di Giannantonio ITA Gresini Ducati (GP22) +27.981s
10 Augusto Fernandez SPA Tech3 GASGAS (RC16)* +28.217s
Bagnaia fall again and now the leader of the Moto Gp leaderboard is incredible to Marco Bezzecchi
Source: https://www.crash.net/motogp/results/1024332/1/americas-motogp-new-world-championship-standings
Looks great to see such new names topping the leaderboard but it is still a Ducati,which reinforces our views that this season is going to be a boring one.I said that Bagnaia should not have been worried for his slip in the past race but if he keeps doing it in every race then things will get complicated by him as he will lose a lot of points and the other riders can be cautious trying to make as many points as they can to keep their leadership.I am not saying this will be the case but problems can arise,nevertheless even if he has gone down 2 races in a row still Ducati is the team to beat and most likely Bagnaia is still the strongest contender to the title despite his recent results.
April 16, 2023, 03:20:30 PM
Results of Moto GP
1 Alex Rins SPA LCR Honda (RC213V) 41m 14.649s
2 Luca Marini ITA Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP22) +3.498s
3 Fabio Quartararo FRA Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) +4.936s
4 Maverick Viñales SPA Aprilia Racing (RS-GP23) +8.318s
5 Miguel Oliveira POR RNF Aprilia (RS-GP22) +9.989s
6 Marco Bezzecchi ITA Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP22) +12.049s
7 Johann Zarco FRA Pramac Ducati (GP22) +12.242s
8 Franco Morbidelli ITA Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) +20.399s
9 Fabio Di Giannantonio ITA Gresini Ducati (GP22) +27.981s
10 Augusto Fernandez SPA Tech3 GASGAS (RC16)* +28.217s
Bagnaia fall again and now the leader of the Moto Gp leaderboard is incredible to Marco Bezzecchi
Source: https://www.crash.net/motogp/results/1024332/1/americas-motogp-new-world-championship-standings
1 Alex Rins SPA LCR Honda (RC213V) 41m 14.649s
2 Luca Marini ITA Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP22) +3.498s
3 Fabio Quartararo FRA Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) +4.936s
4 Maverick Viñales SPA Aprilia Racing (RS-GP23) +8.318s
5 Miguel Oliveira POR RNF Aprilia (RS-GP22) +9.989s
6 Marco Bezzecchi ITA Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP22) +12.049s
7 Johann Zarco FRA Pramac Ducati (GP22) +12.242s
8 Franco Morbidelli ITA Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) +20.399s
9 Fabio Di Giannantonio ITA Gresini Ducati (GP22) +27.981s
10 Augusto Fernandez SPA Tech3 GASGAS (RC16)* +28.217s
Bagnaia fall again and now the leader of the Moto Gp leaderboard is incredible to Marco Bezzecchi
Source: https://www.crash.net/motogp/results/1024332/1/americas-motogp-new-world-championship-standings
April 16, 2023, 02:31:04 PM
I agree about Verstappen's being more skilled than Leclerc in Formula 1 right now. Maybe we haven't seen Ferrari being able to give a car without problems or having a good season without simple tactical mistakes. But it doesn't mean that Leclerc was still amazing despite that. Leclerc also made some individual mistakes which he accepted it every time. Verstappen is not a perfect driver of course but he is close to that.
Because I don't see him making that kind of mistakes much. It is very rare thing for him. I don't think this would change for him even if he starts driving a much slower car. Yes maybe he is driving the fastest car which has a big role in his being comfortable about winning championships. But people still shouldn't be unfair to him I think.
Because he isn't an unskilled driver who can do a good job with only a very fast car. He can push to the limit in every car he drives.
Because I don't see him making that kind of mistakes much. It is very rare thing for him. I don't think this would change for him even if he starts driving a much slower car. Yes maybe he is driving the fastest car which has a big role in his being comfortable about winning championships. But people still shouldn't be unfair to him I think.
Because he isn't an unskilled driver who can do a good job with only a very fast car. He can push to the limit in every car he drives.
April 16, 2023, 02:15:22 PM
Hamilton has donated the sport for about 10 years, but he has also always had the best car. And there were no other drivers who came to watch at Hamilton's level. Verstappen seems to be the only driver who has a lot of talent. Leclerc is also good but not close to Verstappen. Verstappen has also learned a lot in recent years, which is why he became world champion 2 seasons ago. Last year it was never exciting, not even for Verstappen. I think that will be the case this year as well. No one will keep up with Red Bull. Perez is a lesser driver than Verstappen, but who cares? Team performance is everything at Red Bull. There is not really a power struggle between Verstappen and Perez.
He has done that, but Verstappen is also an outside category. I even think Verstappen is better than the very best ever. But you can't compare drivers like Senna and Schumacher with Vestappen. Different cars, different speeds, different rules and also different jobs. The F1 of 20 years ago was on average 50 km / h slower than now, I think. I don't want to say that those drivers back then weren't as good as they are now, but it is nicer to drive into the corner with 150 than with 200. And then you didn't have all kinds of different tires of course. It has been extensively modernised.
At Verstappen, the racing DNA is in the genes, since father Jos was also an F1 driver. But on a whole different level. Father Jos regularly dueled with Schumacher, but could not play any significant role and only had a supporting role in his career. Yet Max owes a lot to father Jos, who of course had many connections in the racing world and then you often don't have to be at the back of the queue. Those are advantages that you need to get the chance to prove yourself. Maybe father Jos never really had the motivation to become world champion because he was allowed to race in a lesser team. Max joined Red Bull when they already had a very substantial car on the market.
I think there was once a kind of simulation of the best drivers of different eras. Senna was very good at that. It is tragic that several drivers have already died, fortunately we have not seen that in recent years. You cannot completely prevent such crashes, but they have optimally secured the car nowadays. The last crash I can remember was from the Japanese last year, but luckily it ended well. I thought Tsunoda was involved. And perhaps it also makes a big difference that the technical staff can now also make many adjustments to the car remotely. Still nice technology.
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April 16, 2023, 02:10:02 PM
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Ducati is so strong this year.
If only the past week Bagnaia didn't slip alone where he was second...
Ducati is so strong this year.
If only the past week Bagnaia didn't slip alone where he was second...
As I wrote in a post above yours, Bagnaia and Ducati can only beat themselves this year, I see no other manufacturer this year that could be dangerous for Ducati. The factory team have done everything right this year, not like the last few years befor the World Champion bike, just an evolution and not a revolution. In the years before the Ducati factory team changed too much every year, then Ducati almost always needed a third of the season to understand the bike, this year they have changed less and only tweaked minor details. You also have to admit that the other teams, especially the Japanese, are struggling to close the gap to Ducati.
It is going to be a boring Championship in MotoGP then and Bagnaia should not at all worry that he slipped in the past race.I also am not seeing any competition from the Japanese manufacturers and the only pole position that Marquez got so far if I am not mistaken is thanks only to his extreme talent but his injuries are keeping him at bay from a couple of seasons now.
Ducati has been consistently investing in the MotoGP bike from many years now and they always have been there in the fight for winning races and in some years when they had talented riders they have even won Championships before like in the case of Casey Stoner which at that time was the only rider to ride a Ducati to winning.Now the bike of Ducati is far more easy to ride and the results are just showing this.
April 16, 2023, 01:59:11 PM
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Ducati is so strong this year.
If only the past week Bagnaia didn't slip alone where he was second...
Ducati is so strong this year.
If only the past week Bagnaia didn't slip alone where he was second...
As I wrote in a post above yours, Bagnaia and Ducati can only beat themselves this year, I see no other manufacturer this year that could be dangerous for Ducati. The factory team have done everything right this year, not like the last few years befor the World Champion bike, just an evolution and not a revolution. In the years before the Ducati factory team changed too much every year, then Ducati almost always needed a third of the season to understand the bike, this year they have changed less and only tweaked minor details. You also have to admit that the other teams, especially the Japanese, are struggling to close the gap to Ducati.
April 16, 2023, 01:42:03 PM
Hamilton has donated the sport for about 10 years, but he has also always had the best car. And there were no other drivers who came to watch at Hamilton's level. Verstappen seems to be the only driver who has a lot of talent. Leclerc is also good but not close to Verstappen. Verstappen has also learned a lot in recent years, which is why he became world champion 2 seasons ago. Last year it was never exciting, not even for Verstappen. I think that will be the case this year as well. No one will keep up with Red Bull. Perez is a lesser driver than Verstappen, but who cares? Team performance is everything at Red Bull. There is not really a power struggle between Verstappen and Perez.
He has done that, but Verstappen is also an outside category. I even think Verstappen is better than the very best ever. But you can't compare drivers like Senna and Schumacher with Vestappen. Different cars, different speeds, different rules and also different jobs. The F1 of 20 years ago was on average 50 km / h slower than now, I think. I don't want to say that those drivers back then weren't as good as they are now, but it is nicer to drive into the corner with 150 than with 200. And then you didn't have all kinds of different tires of course. It has been extensively modernised.
At Verstappen, the racing DNA is in the genes, since father Jos was also an F1 driver. But on a whole different level. Father Jos regularly dueled with Schumacher, but could not play any significant role and only had a supporting role in his career. Yet Max owes a lot to father Jos, who of course had many connections in the racing world and then you often don't have to be at the back of the queue. Those are advantages that you need to get the chance to prove yourself. Maybe father Jos never really had the motivation to become world champion because he was allowed to race in a lesser team. Max joined Red Bull when they already had a very substantial car on the market.
April 16, 2023, 12:54:04 PM
Hamilton has donated the sport for about 10 years, but he has also always had the best car. And there were no other drivers who came to watch at Hamilton's level. Verstappen seems to be the only driver who has a lot of talent. Leclerc is also good but not close to Verstappen. Verstappen has also learned a lot in recent years, which is why he became world champion 2 seasons ago. Last year it was never exciting, not even for Verstappen. I think that will be the case this year as well. No one will keep up with Red Bull. Perez is a lesser driver than Verstappen, but who cares? Team performance is everything at Red Bull. There is not really a power struggle between Verstappen and Perez.
He has done that, but Verstappen is also an outside category. I even think Verstappen is better than the very best ever. But you can't compare drivers like Senna and Schumacher with Vestappen. Different cars, different speeds, different rules and also different jobs. The F1 of 20 years ago was on average 50 km / h slower than now, I think. I don't want to say that those drivers back then weren't as good as they are now, but it is nicer to drive into the corner with 150 than with 200. And then you didn't have all kinds of different tires of course. It has been extensively modernised.
April 16, 2023, 12:32:50 PM
Today the Race for the Grand Prix of the Americas will take place although I am currently watching the race for Moto2 after watching the race for Moto3 which was so intense and thrilling. I'm still sure that in today's race Pecco Bagnaia will win his race again, because yesterday in the sprint race he looked quite stable and very strong in providing resistance for all riders. This was proven when Alex Rins overtook him in a corner which was then overtaken by Pecco Bagnaia on the straight track after which no one was able to overtake him again.
April 16, 2023, 10:57:14 AM
Hamilton has donated the sport for about 10 years, but he has also always had the best car. And there were no other drivers who came to watch at Hamilton's level. Verstappen seems to be the only driver who has a lot of talent. Leclerc is also good but not close to Verstappen. Verstappen has also learned a lot in recent years, which is why he became world champion 2 seasons ago. Last year it was never exciting, not even for Verstappen. I think that will be the case this year as well. No one will keep up with Red Bull. Perez is a lesser driver than Verstappen, but who cares? Team performance is everything at Red Bull. There is not really a power struggle between Verstappen and Perez.
April 16, 2023, 10:49:26 AM
Verstappen has made a statement recently like he would like to race while there are equal cars in F1 as well.
Hamilton was saying the same years ago when Mercedes was dominating... They are always "politically correct" when they are dominating...
It will never happen in F1, Mercedes, and Ferrari will leave the F1 if they can't build their cars.
That is a statement from Verstappen in order to be showing to the world that he is the best driver and he is not there only because of his car,he is intentionally saying that so that he can win against all other drivers if they happen to use the same car.That statement though would be good if F1 was a Nascar or Indy where most cars are in equal power but here in F1 it does not make any sense.F1 is the top level and we have seen throughout history that different drivers have dominated in different eras,this is not going to change,it was the era of Schumi,then that of Alonso,then that of Vettel,then that of Hamilton and now this of Verstappen.This is going to repeat itself and after Verstappen a new driver will become new history.
April 16, 2023, 09:43:03 AM
Did he really use the word 'lie'..? Could be using the wrong word there as mostly these proposals for new specs, esp huge spec changes, are just good on paper. It's up to the teams to implements the designs and if they're not 'up to spec' in practice then what could anybody really do.
And Hamilton just mad cos Mercedes couldn't figure stuff out with the new specs. Typical whining from him.
And Hamilton just mad cos Mercedes couldn't figure stuff out with the new specs. Typical whining from him.
Well in the translated interview I've read yes.
But who knows if they changed the words, they do it often to generate flame and get clicks.
Ah yeah.. 'Lie' is too strong of a word. I think a more apt translation is 'wrong'... Like if the amount dirty air at the back of the cars is still the same as the pre 2022 specs, then yeah.. FIA really got it wrong. The whole reason for the 2022 car spec was to drastically reduce the dirty air so the cars could pass each other with less difficulty.
It will prolly be another three years for the current specs?
April 16, 2023, 03:58:42 AM
When it will become electric it will be an advantage for teams who have expressed their desire to enter the sport at that year,I don't know if Hyundai has expressed such desire but KIA which is owned by them has done so and we all know that right now in Europe they are dominating the electric market completely with Hyundai being at the top.This means these manufacturers who have been investing in electric cars from many years now most probably will have an edge when it comes to Formula 1 becoming electric.I would love to see such scenario as this would put a lot of pressure on Mercedes and other teams to immediately close the gap and we could see some really nice races and fierce competition which is missing these last couple of years here.
There is audi as far as I know, and there are other teams that want to join too like Ford but they may do a partnership, like Andretti Ford F1 team type of thing. I think it is important to remember that most teams have their teams sponsoring someone, a business or rather. It will be good to see a lot more teams, not saying that they will all join at the same time, and they will most probably suck on the first few years but get better overtime, but electric shouldn't be the way to go about that.This will make sure that cars are not as powerful as they used to be, great starts and acceleration for electric cars, the starts and the first turns will be much more interesting to see, but gas cars with proper engines always beats them on the long straights if given the chance. Right now we are already pretty heavy on electric anyway, it will get worse.
April 15, 2023, 05:26:19 PM
Did he really use the word 'lie'..? Could be using the wrong word there as mostly these proposals for new specs, esp huge spec changes, are just good on paper. It's up to the teams to implements the designs and if they're not 'up to spec' in practice then what could anybody really do.
And Hamilton just mad cos Mercedes couldn't figure stuff out with the new specs. Typical whining from him.
And Hamilton just mad cos Mercedes couldn't figure stuff out with the new specs. Typical whining from him.
Well in the translated interview I've read yes.
But who knows if they changed the words, they do it often to generate flame and get clicks.
April 15, 2023, 05:17:10 PM
The teams take a break. Then they also have the necessary weeks to tinker with the engine. Of course there will be penalties if you go out of line, but at the moment Mercedes is not having a bad start to the season. Although that sounds very strange about Mercedes, they will be happy with a podium finish at every race, in which they always wanted to win every race a few years ago and they were also the best together with Verstappen. I think Verstappen was driving very immature in the first years in F1. But he was still young then, of course.
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