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Quote from: Davian144 on March 23, 2023, 09:22:50 AM

Tomorrow MotoGp will return with a slightly different schedule from last season where Dorna has also arranged it very neatly and will start running tomorrow on Friday in Portugal which takes place at the Algarve circuit. Here is the schedule for the three days this weekend that will especially take place for the Grand Premio Tissot De Protugal.

I'm really looking forward to the new season unfortunately not Portima anymore, the track was really good and exciting. There's just something about oldschool tracks with gravel beds, but it's hard to say who will come out on top in the first race... Have there been any MotoGP races in the Algarve?

Ducati will definitely be able to fight for the victory if they haven't made any big mistakes in the winter preparation, Honda and KTM are difficult to assess.

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Most players now have a break from the fact that there is international football. Then you have players in the Europa League who are not in the selection of the national team at all, but that depends on each club and country. Thursday 13 April we will start again with the new competitions in this competition. FOR Union St Gilloise it is a great achievement. For example, has this club recently changed its name? I don't know that name at all, but in the previous round they won quite easily from Freiburg and it was quite convincing. And with Leverkusen as opponent, there is also plenty of chance to reach the final. Among the boomakers, Juventus and Man United are the favorites, but those 2 teams will probably play against each other in the semi-finals of this tournament. I see the quarterfinals coming through quite easily.

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Quote from: swogerino on March 22, 2023, 04:21:08 AM

It is because of Alonso much more experience compared to Stroll,have you seen the overtake of Alonso to Hamilton in the first race,that as the commentator of the race in Sky Sports said,it has years in the making as a move.Stroll is a young driver relatively and has time to improve,he should learn from Alonso big experience.I think though that in this second race it was an error from the team that they called him early in the pits and he lost his position to both Ferraris before he had a problem with the engine and was told to stop the car.

I know, as I said Alonso is much better driver there is absolutely no doubt about that, nobody ever questions it. But Alonso is 40+ years old and Stroll is just 24 years old, which means differences in reflexes and considering that they are both using the best car aside from Red Bull, Stroll has to do better.

Not like anything would change, father Stroll took the team just so his son can race there, which means that Stroll could be 20th and he would still be keeping his job without a doubt, there is absolutely no reason to be worried about his position. But I just feel bad for him, because he is good enough to do a bit better, he should push himself further, take risks, otherwise it will be a disappointing season and I do not think that they will ever be this good again.

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Tomorrow MotoGp will return with a slightly different schedule from last season where Dorna has also arranged it very neatly and will start running tomorrow on Friday in Portugal which takes place at the Algarve circuit. Here is the schedule for the three days this weekend that will especially take place for the Grand Premio Tissot De Protugal.

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The contract with Pirello for the F1 will expire in 2024.

They just announced they will participate in the selection for the 2025-2028 period, so in other words, we may have another builder in 2 years since we have a selection.

It would be very interesting if Michelin or Bridgestone took part in the bidding process against Pirelli, because we know that these two tire manufacturers are no less good than Pirelli and that might provide something new in the upcoming 2025-2028 season.

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The contract with Pirello for the F1 will expire in 2024.

They just announced they will participate in the selection for the 2025-2028 period, so in other words, we may have another builder in 2 years since we have a selection.

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Quote from: tokeweed on March 22, 2023, 08:21:13 AM

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Don't know why they even called this a safety car.
Stroll was outside the track, now Max got an huge advantage and he will probably win.

They justified themselves by saying that we put the Safety Car in because in the GPS we saw it saying that the Aston Martin has been parked on track and that is why they put the Safety Car in.That was a clearly huge advantage to Max Verstappen but at least Perez did not lose his lead like he did on last year where he lost the lead because he entered the pits 1 lap before the Safety Car coming in.Even if it was no Safety Car I think Max Verstappen would have managed to come third or second,that Redbull looks like another planet,when it surpassed another car Verstappen made it look like F1 vs F2 while F2 I am referring to the other cars,not a single car being able to hold him off,it will be a boring season for us fans.

Lol yeah, it's starting to show the making of another boring season. But at least Aston Martin is making some noise by shaking things up in the top 3 - 5. Wink

Nice to see that their couple of years work and development are starting to bear fruit. Again and again I can't help but go back and think about Vettel. His past work is part of some of the success that Aston Martin is currently enjoying imho.

Australia next on the schedule. Let's see how Merc and Ferrari react...

@tokeweed this sentiment about Vettel is being shared by each and every F1 fan, and this makes me wonder will he be tempted to come out retirement for next season though I doubt that he’ll but it would definitely be exciting if he decided to return. Also Ferrari and Mercedes are struggling, and it seems to me that this season too these two giants won’t be winning the championship.

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Quote from: swogerino on March 19, 2023, 12:53:43 PM

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Don't know why they even called this a safety car.
Stroll was outside the track, now Max got an huge advantage and he will probably win.

They justified themselves by saying that we put the Safety Car in because in the GPS we saw it saying that the Aston Martin has been parked on track and that is why they put the Safety Car in.That was a clearly huge advantage to Max Verstappen but at least Perez did not lose his lead like he did on last year where he lost the lead because he entered the pits 1 lap before the Safety Car coming in.Even if it was no Safety Car I think Max Verstappen would have managed to come third or second,that Redbull looks like another planet,when it surpassed another car Verstappen made it look like F1 vs F2 while F2 I am referring to the other cars,not a single car being able to hold him off,it will be a boring season for us fans.

Lol yeah, it's starting to show the making of another boring season. But at least Aston Martin is making some noise by shaking things up in the top 3 - 5. Wink

Nice to see that their couple of years work and development are starting to bear fruit. Again and again I can't help but go back and think about Vettel. His past work is part of some of the success that Aston Martin is currently enjoying imho.

Australia next on the schedule. Let's see how Merc and Ferrari react...

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Quote from: FanEagle on March 22, 2023, 04:15:44 AM

Quote from: Velvet78 on March 20, 2023, 06:03:02 PM

It was a really interesting series of decisions by FIA but finally Alonso got his podium once again. He has been very consistent so far for two races as he finished in second position in both of them.

Alonso is just using full power of Aston Martin right now. Stroll is not going on as good as him I'm afraid. But Alonso is their main driver technically for successes. They must still be very satisfied with his results. It is really interesting to see Aston Martin faster than Mercedes and Ferrari both now. Alonso even competed with Perez for a short time period at least. This potential must be really scary for the other big teams now.

Third but you are right, he got podium back to back in both races. It looks like Stroll got some improvements to do considering Alonso is driving the same car and he is getting better results from it anyway, Stroll has absolutely no reason why he shouldn't be getting the podium or at least be right behind Alonso. Look at Max and Perez, they are so close to each other in both races, but for some reason Stroll can't do it.

Well we know the reason, Alonso is a much better driver even at 40+ years old whereas Stroll is a much worse driver, that's the main reason but they can't just make it this obvious and they need him to race better and get some podiums this year.

It is because of Alonso much more experience compared to Stroll,have you seen the overtake of Alonso to Hamilton in the first race,that as the commentator of the race in Sky Sports said,it has years in the making as a move.Stroll is a young driver relatively and has time to improve,he should learn from Alonso big experience.I think though that in this second race it was an error from the team that they called him early in the pits and he lost his position to both Ferraris before he had a problem with the engine and was told to stop the car.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on March 20, 2023, 06:03:02 PM

It was a really interesting series of decisions by FIA but finally Alonso got his podium once again. He has been very consistent so far for two races as he finished in second position in both of them.

Alonso is just using full power of Aston Martin right now. Stroll is not going on as good as him I'm afraid. But Alonso is their main driver technically for successes. They must still be very satisfied with his results. It is really interesting to see Aston Martin faster than Mercedes and Ferrari both now. Alonso even competed with Perez for a short time period at least. This potential must be really scary for the other big teams now.

Third but you are right, he got podium back to back in both races. It looks like Stroll got some improvements to do considering Alonso is driving the same car and he is getting better results from it anyway, Stroll has absolutely no reason why he shouldn't be getting the podium or at least be right behind Alonso. Look at Max and Perez, they are so close to each other in both races, but for some reason Stroll can't do it.

Well we know the reason, Alonso is a much better driver even at 40+ years old whereas Stroll is a much worse driver, that's the main reason but they can't just make it this obvious and they need him to race better and get some podiums this year.

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The @rnfracingofficial team launched the livery yesterday for this season and after a bit of a long wait, finally this weekend MotoGP will make its first race of the season at Portimao Portugal. Or to be precise at the Algarve circuit where in the last few races this circuit has often presented fierce battles between MotoGP racers and hopefully there will be many surprises at the opening of the first MotoGP race this season.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on March 20, 2023, 06:03:02 PM

It was a really interesting series of decisions by FIA but finally Alonso got his podium once again. He has been very consistent so far for two races as he finished in second position in both of them.

Alonso is just using full power of Aston Martin right now. Stroll is not going on as good as him I'm afraid. But Alonso is their main driver technically for successes. They must still be very satisfied with his results. It is really interesting to see Aston Martin faster than Mercedes and Ferrari both now. Alonso even competed with Perez for a short time period at least. This potential must be really scary for the other big teams now.

Alonso is happy for the moment as most likely he knows that is the maximum Aston Martin can do right now but I am sure that deep inside him he is waiting for package upgrades with whom who knows may be he can start fighting a fight with the Championship leaders,Redbull and we all as fans would love this.Right now the races have been very boring up until now with a total dominance of Redbull.Totto Wolf said that you will see dramatic changes to the Mercedes car after the race number 5 or 6 but I highly doubt they will be able to keep up with Redbull either while for Ferrari I can wrap up all in one sentence of Leclerc complaining on radio "It feels really bad being stuck such behind".So overall the F1 season so far is super boring.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on March 20, 2023, 06:03:02 PM

It was a really interesting series of decisions by FIA but finally Alonso got his podium once again. He has been very consistent so far for two races as he finished in second position in both of them.

Alonso is just using full power of Aston Martin right now. Stroll is not going on as good as him I'm afraid. But Alonso is their main driver technically for successes. They must still be very satisfied with his results. It is really interesting to see Aston Martin faster than Mercedes and Ferrari both now. Alonso even competed with Perez for a short time period at least. This potential must be really scary for the other big teams now.

Just imagine a goal being canceled after the game is over? I can't imagine the impact. That's what happened yesterday with Alonso - Aston Martin submitted a review and finally the FIA granted their request. I feel how disappointed he is. The FIA should improve their way of reviewing things, because their way of reviewing is not good at all and needs to be improved because there have been cases like this and the FIA has never learned from the past.

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It was a really interesting series of decisions by FIA but finally Alonso got his podium once again. He has been very consistent so far for two races as he finished in second position in both of them.

Alonso is just using full power of Aston Martin right now. Stroll is not going on as good as him I'm afraid. But Alonso is their main driver technically for successes. They must still be very satisfied with his results. It is really interesting to see Aston Martin faster than Mercedes and Ferrari both now. Alonso even competed with Perez for a short time period at least. This potential must be really scary for the other big teams now.

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So in the end Alonso got the podium right? First it was him when the race was over but then things changed and Russel got it because Alonso got a 10 second penalty for the 5 second thing and that was a bad decision by FIA of course but then it turns out they have given him the podium back as well? I am not entirely sure what happened in between the last lap and today, because it has changed hand twice during that period. All in all I am super happy that it was him that got it, dude is 40+ years old with racers younger than his f1 career and still getting podiums back to back, amazing job.

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on March 19, 2023, 04:20:06 PM

Between Alonso having 5 second penalty (which then turned into 10 seconds) and Max having trouble in Q2 that made Perez win a lot easier. Otherwise, if Alonso didn't had that penalty or Max started at anywhere top 5 which he would have been easily pole position but even assuming top 5, Perez wouldn't have won this. Just look at the difference by the end, about 5 second difference even though Max started at 15th and Perez had pole. All in all this shows once again, even though Perez won, we can easily say that Max is clearly the better driver, some argue that they may have some fight on who to with ala Nico vs Hamilton style but there is absolutely no way that happens.

It was amazing to see Verstappen, who started in 15th position, still win (even though he was in second place) but that in itself proves how monstrous Verstappen is and his mentality is maintained even when he is penalized. That proves how a true champion maintains his performance.

And for Alonso I also admire him because even though he was penalized he was still able to maintain his performance and finished third, that shows how he still tries to be the best.

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That is stupid and intentional,first of all how did they know that they didn't touch the car to become ready and not to gain an advantage but they read it as gaining an advantage which was not the case and this clearly shows the impact that the Mercedes team still has on the FIA together with Redbull who got a Safety Car for nothing,they even justified it that it was because of the GPS saying Stroll parked the car on track,ridiculous decisions during this race which impacted the race for the worse,I think that Alonso fully deserved the podium but that is racing.

So, FIA returned 3rd place to Alonso after Aston Martin made protest:
https://twitter.com/F1/status/1637576746324094976
It means that they investigated that moment for 35 laps and award ceremony - it's more than enough time to make detailed investigation and make right decision. But after protest and another investigation they decided to change decision. It would be very interesting to read explanation from FIA because what they did today is more than ridiculous.

I don't get it either. They waited too long to make a decision, handed and upped the penalty during awarding, then retract everything when called out for. What is the FIA doing? They're making the scene look ridiculous by not making up their mind and doing what they're supposed to do: officiate races fairly and smoothly.

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So, FIA returned 3rd place to Alonso after Aston Martin made protest:
https://twitter.com/F1/status/1637576746324094976

Yeah, this is quite unusual.

Anyway, the season seems already to be over. Red Bulls were 1 second faster in comparison to the others teams.

Seems like the case, and would be for future seasons. That car alone is just insane to beat no matter how tricked out the second best car (Ferrari or Aston Martin), it won't come close to what Red Bull did to that monster of a car.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on March 19, 2023, 05:25:20 PM

So, FIA returned 3rd place to Alonso after Aston Martin made protest:
https://twitter.com/F1/status/1637576746324094976

Yeah, this is quite unusual.

Anyway, the season seems already to be over. Red Bulls were 1 second faster in comparison to the others teams.

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Quote from: swogerino on March 19, 2023, 03:50:26 PM

That is stupid and intentional,first of all how did they know that they didn't touch the car to become ready and not to gain an advantage but they read it as gaining an advantage which was not the case and this clearly shows the impact that the Mercedes team still has on the FIA together with Redbull who got a Safety Car for nothing,they even justified it that it was because of the GPS saying Stroll parked the car on track,ridiculous decisions during this race which impacted the race for the worse,I think that Alonso fully deserved the podium but that is racing.

So, FIA returned 3rd place to Alonso after Aston Martin made protest:
https://twitter.com/F1/status/1637576746324094976
It means that they investigated that moment for 35 laps and award ceremony - it's more than enough time to make detailed investigation and make right decision. But after protest and another investigation they decided to change decision. It would be very interesting to read explanation from FIA because what they did today is more than ridiculous.

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Between Alonso having 5 second penalty (which then turned into 10 seconds) and Max having trouble in Q2 that made Perez win a lot easier. Otherwise, if Alonso didn't had that penalty or Max started at anywhere top 5 which he would have been easily pole position but even assuming top 5, Perez wouldn't have won this. Just look at the difference by the end, about 5 second difference even though Max started at 15th and Perez had pole. All in all this shows once again, even though Perez won, we can easily say that Max is clearly the better driver, some argue that they may have some fight on who to with ala Nico vs Hamilton style but there is absolutely no way that happens.

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