I think Haas did something similar to that, got Mick and Mazepin, one of them just brought in only money and nothing else, the other brought in some attention and sponsorships because of his father. Basically that duo was there to make sure Haas spent absolutely nothing and just made profit and used that money for last years car, and now this years of course.
With both of those drivers gone and they have hulkenberg with magnussen, that means that we are going to see them be awesome for sure. Same could happen with Alpha Tauri, or any team that wants to be good, hire 2 cheap racers who bring in money, suck for a few years, and use that to get better car and kick the drivers and get better ones for the better car.
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February 11, 2023, 05:50:34 PM
February 11, 2023, 05:45:53 PM
Finally a real car but it has fake wings 
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They copied Ferrari and Redbull.
Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/opinioni/carlo-platella/f1-haas-vf23-analisi-tecnica-anteprima-di-novita-ferrari
.They copied Ferrari and Redbull.
Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/opinioni/carlo-platella/f1-haas-vf23-analisi-tecnica-anteprima-di-novita-ferrari
February 10, 2023, 02:48:03 PM
AlphaTauri is not at a place where they are looking to really be competitive at all. They do have a "decent" car, not a last place level car if you ask me, and that should stay this year as well. But they have 2 drivers who are not experienced, Nick is a freshman and Tsunoda hasn't been around for that long neither.
It means that they didn't pay much to them, and they are spending that money on building the future car and research. Many teams will eventually do that, 2026 will be a big season with a ton of changes, so I wouldn't be shocked if teams outside of top three would start using their funds to have a better car in 2026 and forget these next 3 seasons.
It means that they didn't pay much to them, and they are spending that money on building the future car and research. Many teams will eventually do that, 2026 will be a big season with a ton of changes, so I wouldn't be shocked if teams outside of top three would start using their funds to have a better car in 2026 and forget these next 3 seasons.
February 10, 2023, 02:31:44 PM
Mclaren is thinking about changing the engine for 2026.
They are probably going to leave Mercedes and go back to Honda with Redbull and maybe more teams.
They are probably going to leave Mercedes and go back to Honda with Redbull and maybe more teams.
To me this if true is great news.The glorious times of Senna and McLaren Honda are the most successful years of McLaren in my opinion during their whole history.I know that they failed in a really big way in their first comeback of 2015 and McLaren I think rushed to go back to Mercedes as we all saw what a Honda engine is capable to do if given enough time to their engineers,they won Redbull already two titles in the last 2 years while they are one of the favorites for the upcoming season.If McLaren waited I think they would be fighting for the title in these last years so I hope the comeback of 2026 is a true comeback bringing back the memories every McLaren fan wants to live again.
February 10, 2023, 02:07:07 PM
I'm not surprised with seeing the odds favouring Mercedes more than Ferrari as the second team right after Red Bull. Because they must be relying on the latest looks of Ferrari and Mercedes in the previous season. You know how much power Ferrari lost and Mercedes made a really great effort in the meantime to catch up with them. In the latest races they really did it and even got better results than Ferraris from time to time. There is no solid proof yet like Ferrari is faster than Mercedes again so they might be taking the latest season into account.
But if we see Ferrari regaining their strength for real they can still be one step ahead of Mercedes actually. Mercedes are also improving their car on one hand but I don't know if they can deal with the best version of Ferrari's car. It would be great to see Red Bull and those two teams fighting for the championship all as well.
But if we see Ferrari regaining their strength for real they can still be one step ahead of Mercedes actually. Mercedes are also improving their car on one hand but I don't know if they can deal with the best version of Ferrari's car. It would be great to see Red Bull and those two teams fighting for the championship all as well.
February 10, 2023, 12:49:31 PM
AlphaTauri is not very eager to launch its car for the next season this year, it seems to me.
For now they have limited themselves to teasing their fans with just an image of some details of the car on their social networks....
That photo of the tire with a very "different" design and color compared to the 2022 is totally irrelevant.
It is promised for this Saturday (the 11th) the presentation of the AT04 with a new painting, but is that all?
Like other automakers, AlphaTauri also has a new master sponsor (Orlen). But it seems to me that it's really a big change, the only thing I see is the departure of Pierre Gasly for the arrival of Nyck de Vries.
For now they have limited themselves to teasing their fans with just an image of some details of the car on their social networks....
That photo of the tire with a very "different" design and color compared to the 2022 is totally irrelevant.
It is promised for this Saturday (the 11th) the presentation of the AT04 with a new painting, but is that all?
Like other automakers, AlphaTauri also has a new master sponsor (Orlen). But it seems to me that it's really a big change, the only thing I see is the departure of Pierre Gasly for the arrival of Nyck de Vries.
Im really tired about Toro Rosso/Alpha Tauri and pissed of Red Bull management, they always says all the years something like " This year our B team its gonna raise the stick and can compete for top spots" but always ended in the same way, nothing happen and a shit year comes, a good year after you again dream about it, and when you think this finally its gonna happen again in the hole.
February 10, 2023, 09:56:05 AM
The official pre-season test at the Sepang circuit on the first day, which is today, is over. And to this day, the Ducati motorbike still shows extraordinary strength, even though the average speed of the Ducati motorbike in the test session is not much different from the speed of other motorbikes such as Yamaha and Honda motorbikes.
Sure, even I think Ducati will still dominate this season. They have worked hard for the development of motoe. Last season they showed it. They also found drivers who were willing to work hard and provide constant feedback. So this moment looks like it will continue. Maybe 3-4 years. In the past, Honda was also very successful when it had the right drivers. This year, Ducati is the favorite to win. Even though I know this test is only the beginning, the best riders are still adapting. I think the second test the results will change.
February 10, 2023, 08:31:09 AM
The official pre-season test at the Sepang circuit on the first day, which is today, is over. And to this day, the Ducati motorbike still shows extraordinary strength, even though the average speed of the Ducati motorbike in the test session is not much different from the speed of other motorbikes such as Yamaha and Honda motorbikes.
Today is a very extraordinary day for Marco Bezzecchi because he managed to score the best and fastest time on the old version of the Ducati motorbike and will there be another surprise from different riders tomorrow? Let's see tomorrow's second day of testing at the same circuit. Here are two pictures I took from local sources
Today is a very extraordinary day for Marco Bezzecchi because he managed to score the best and fastest time on the old version of the Ducati motorbike and will there be another surprise from different riders tomorrow? Let's see tomorrow's second day of testing at the same circuit. Here are two pictures I took from local sources
February 09, 2023, 08:19:07 PM
AlphaTauri is not very eager to launch its car for the next season this year, it seems to me.
For now they have limited themselves to teasing their fans with just an image of some details of the car on their social networks....
That photo of the tire with a very "different" design and color compared to the 2022 is totally irrelevant.
It is promised for this Saturday (the 11th) the presentation of the AT04 with a new painting, but is that all?
Like other automakers, AlphaTauri also has a new master sponsor (Orlen). But it seems to me that it's really a big change, the only thing I see is the departure of Pierre Gasly for the arrival of Nyck de Vries.
For now they have limited themselves to teasing their fans with just an image of some details of the car on their social networks....
That photo of the tire with a very "different" design and color compared to the 2022 is totally irrelevant.
It is promised for this Saturday (the 11th) the presentation of the AT04 with a new painting, but is that all?
Like other automakers, AlphaTauri also has a new master sponsor (Orlen). But it seems to me that it's really a big change, the only thing I see is the departure of Pierre Gasly for the arrival of Nyck de Vries.
February 09, 2023, 07:02:50 PM
I've found an interesting article online.
Basically, we will have 1 more fake car presentation, alpha Tauri.
all the remaining cars after that will be real cars and not renderings.
We should be able to see an authentic version of Ferrari, Mercedes and Mclaren Alpine, and Aston Martin.
Basically, we will have 1 more fake car presentation, alpha Tauri.
all the remaining cars after that will be real cars and not renderings.
We should be able to see an authentic version of Ferrari, Mercedes and Mclaren Alpine, and Aston Martin.
February 09, 2023, 05:34:21 PM
New season testing is near, I am not sure how F1 teams will do with their new testing, it has been a very bad season for some of the "good" teams of the past, like Mclaren for example was fighting for a third spot, a year ago, and they were so far off this season, which shows that regulation changes makes so much difference.
This season is the second year with the same cars, which should mean that teams need to have some improvement, and the team with the best improvement will have the best result. It was a "boring" season so to speak, started looking good but then Max just kept on being better and better, which resulted with him being title winner in a very boring way, even he didn't know he won, so I hope for more fun this season.
This season is the second year with the same cars, which should mean that teams need to have some improvement, and the team with the best improvement will have the best result. It was a "boring" season so to speak, started looking good but then Max just kept on being better and better, which resulted with him being title winner in a very boring way, even he didn't know he won, so I hope for more fun this season.
February 09, 2023, 05:02:10 PM
Mclaren is thinking about changing the engine for 2026.
They are probably going to leave Mercedes and go back to Honda with Redbull and maybe more teams.
They are probably going to leave Mercedes and go back to Honda with Redbull and maybe more teams.
February 09, 2023, 02:05:51 PM
We've been looking at the car reveals without talking about what really matters for you guys itt... The early lines and outright odds before the start of the season. 
I'm not sure what's really new with the cars technically but if there were some new rules, I think they wouldn't that big of a deal unlike the spec changes from 2021 to 2022. So these lines should be accurate and reflects the correct price for the drivers and the teams.
Drivers top 3 in the outright to win the championship are Verstappen at 1.73, Hamilton at 4 and Leclerc at 6.25
Constructors at top 3 are Red Bull at 1.95, Merc at 2.40 and Ferrari at 5.75.
So what do you guys think? Any chance Merc or Ferrari snag the top spot from RBR this year?
I'm not sure what's really new with the cars technically but if there were some new rules, I think they wouldn't that big of a deal unlike the spec changes from 2021 to 2022. So these lines should be accurate and reflects the correct price for the drivers and the teams.
Drivers top 3 in the outright to win the championship are Verstappen at 1.73, Hamilton at 4 and Leclerc at 6.25
Constructors at top 3 are Red Bull at 1.95, Merc at 2.40 and Ferrari at 5.75.
So what do you guys think? Any chance Merc or Ferrari snag the top spot from RBR this year?
Did McLaren screw it up again really bad despite them being the first team to stop development of 2022 car just after 5-6 races into the last season that they are not here?I don't think they would be that bad this year and making a bet on them as the constructor winners this year if the odd is big enough like 13-20 I am giving it a try,if they truly have not improved even though they had more time than any other team to develop their car then most probably they need a complete redesign of all of their staff,layoffs are happening in tech companies,it is time to start happening even in F1 as a tech sport that they are.
From the options here I would go with Ferrari just because of the odd and not that I expect them to be winners this year.
February 09, 2023, 01:20:34 PM
We've been looking at the car reveals without talking about what really matters for you guys itt... The early lines and outright odds before the start of the season.
I'm not sure what's really new with the cars technically but if there were some new rules, I think they wouldn't that big of a deal unlike the spec changes from 2021 to 2022. So these lines should be accurate and reflects the correct price for the drivers and the teams.
Drivers top 3 in the outright to win the championship are Verstappen at 1.73, Hamilton at 4 and Leclerc at 6.25
Constructors at top 3 are Red Bull at 1.95, Merc at 2.40 and Ferrari at 5.75.
So what do you guys think? Any chance Merc or Ferrari snag the top spot from RBR this year?
I'm not sure what's really new with the cars technically but if there were some new rules, I think they wouldn't that big of a deal unlike the spec changes from 2021 to 2022. So these lines should be accurate and reflects the correct price for the drivers and the teams.
Drivers top 3 in the outright to win the championship are Verstappen at 1.73, Hamilton at 4 and Leclerc at 6.25
Constructors at top 3 are Red Bull at 1.95, Merc at 2.40 and Ferrari at 5.75.
So what do you guys think? Any chance Merc or Ferrari snag the top spot from RBR this year?
It is interesting to see Hamilton getting ahead of Leclerc according to bookmakers already.
Because Ferrari have been rumoured to have made an improvement of 30 horsepower in their car. It seems like they are coming back much stronger. The reason why they got slower last season was on purpose in fact. I mean that they decided to cut the power by some percentage to prevent the durability problems from continuing to occur. But they are saying now that there is no such problem left from now on. We will see in practice by the new season of course. If they really seem like they have said then I will be putting them ahead of Mercedes.
February 09, 2023, 01:14:31 PM
I really like Alfa Romeo cars, but this year car.... i like the front, but the side i dont know... its ok but at the same time i feel the past car was better with the white.
I think its so early to make a prediction lets see how much Mercedes improves, for Ferrari nothing it was 10 years of making illusions.
We've been looking at the car reveals without talking about what really matters for you guys itt... The early lines and outright odds before the start of the season.
I'm not sure what's really new with the cars technically but if there were some new rules, I think they wouldn't that big of a deal unlike the spec changes from 2021 to 2022. So these lines should be accurate and reflects the correct price for the drivers and the teams.
Drivers top 3 in the outright to win the championship are Verstappen at 1.73, Hamilton at 4 and Leclerc at 6.25
Constructors at top 3 are Red Bull at 1.95, Merc at 2.40 and Ferrari at 5.75.
So what do you guys think? Any chance Merc or Ferrari snag the top spot from RBR this year?
I'm not sure what's really new with the cars technically but if there were some new rules, I think they wouldn't that big of a deal unlike the spec changes from 2021 to 2022. So these lines should be accurate and reflects the correct price for the drivers and the teams.
Drivers top 3 in the outright to win the championship are Verstappen at 1.73, Hamilton at 4 and Leclerc at 6.25
Constructors at top 3 are Red Bull at 1.95, Merc at 2.40 and Ferrari at 5.75.
So what do you guys think? Any chance Merc or Ferrari snag the top spot from RBR this year?
I think its so early to make a prediction lets see how much Mercedes improves, for Ferrari nothing it was 10 years of making illusions.
February 09, 2023, 10:25:05 AM
We've been looking at the car reveals without talking about what really matters for you guys itt... The early lines and outright odds before the start of the season.
I'm not sure what's really new with the cars technically but if there were some new rules, I think they wouldn't that big of a deal unlike the spec changes from 2021 to 2022. So these lines should be accurate and reflects the correct price for the drivers and the teams.
Drivers top 3 in the outright to win the championship are Verstappen at 1.73, Hamilton at 4 and Leclerc at 6.25
Constructors at top 3 are Red Bull at 1.95, Merc at 2.40 and Ferrari at 5.75.
So what do you guys think? Any chance Merc or Ferrari snag the top spot from RBR this year?
I'm not sure what's really new with the cars technically but if there were some new rules, I think they wouldn't that big of a deal unlike the spec changes from 2021 to 2022. So these lines should be accurate and reflects the correct price for the drivers and the teams.
Drivers top 3 in the outright to win the championship are Verstappen at 1.73, Hamilton at 4 and Leclerc at 6.25
Constructors at top 3 are Red Bull at 1.95, Merc at 2.40 and Ferrari at 5.75.
So what do you guys think? Any chance Merc or Ferrari snag the top spot from RBR this year?
February 09, 2023, 10:17:39 AM
We have Alfa Romeo too now.
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I really like the colors.
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I really like the colors.
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The new Sauber car looks really good in terms of colour, but the sponsor Orlen has changed to Alpha Tauri. And Alfa now has a well-known sponsor, stake.com, which is also represented here on the board. The crypto casino has only one big disadvantage, in many countries where Formula 1 races, advertising for an casino is forbidden, not very productive for the casino itself.
I'm curious to see how this will be handled later.
February 08, 2023, 06:58:05 PM
During the three days of the Shakedown test at the Sepang Malaysian circuit, there were many unique things that I saw from several factory motorbikes. Of the 11 riders who participated in the Shakedown test, the Yamaha test riders and the Ducati test riders always paid attention in terms of top speed.
Even though on the third day the Ducati test rider managed to make the fastest time, the top speed of everything was held by the Yamaha test rider. Apart from that, every manufacturer is also trying to change the fairing to find a better balance and also a more increased top speed. This is what made me so happy to see the Shakedown test in Sepang before the official test for pre-season which will start in two days. Here are some photos shared by MotoGP, crashmotogp_, and several others from local media
Even though on the third day the Ducati test rider managed to make the fastest time, the top speed of everything was held by the Yamaha test rider. Apart from that, every manufacturer is also trying to change the fairing to find a better balance and also a more increased top speed. This is what made me so happy to see the Shakedown test in Sepang before the official test for pre-season which will start in two days. Here are some photos shared by MotoGP, crashmotogp_, and several others from local media
February 08, 2023, 05:56:22 PM
The penalty that Red Bull has imposed can have a considerable influence on the coming season. According to the team boss, this will save a lot of seconds because they are allowed to drive much less time in certain test tunnels. What I do wonder is why the World Championship title is not taken away and given to Hamilton? The regulations have clearly been violated, you have to see it as an athlete who has used doping, then a medal is also withdrawn with retroactive effect. We've seen that happen before with the OS. But Red Bull has only had a fine and also a light test penalty. They got away with that quite easily to be honest.
This has been discussed several times and I think the Redbull Championship will not be removed from them.This can serve as an incentive to other teams though for this season to greatly surpass the limit set by FIA as they most likely will get away with a fine too,but by spending more money to develop the car,these other teams will have much better possibilities to fight Redbull much closer than they did last year and I assume that is why they are not making it a big deal for the Redbull team that have broken the rules of the 2022 season.However, they will hurt a lot this year because of that, which means unless you are a team that is on the verge of getting a title? Why would you want to risk it? Like lets assume you are Williams, and break the rule, and spend a lot more, what can you gain? Hence, it's not really a valid reason to break the rule unless you are fighting for a title very closely.
February 08, 2023, 05:25:25 PM
We have Alfa Romeo too now.
This is the comparison with the previous car, they basically copied half Ferrari and half Redbull.
I really like the colors.
Pic source: https://www.formulapassion.it/opinioni/carlo-platella/f1-alfa-romeo-c43-analisi-tecnica-progetto-ardito-coraggioso
This is the comparison with the previous car, they basically copied half Ferrari and half Redbull.
I really like the colors.
Pic source: https://www.formulapassion.it/opinioni/carlo-platella/f1-alfa-romeo-c43-analisi-tecnica-progetto-ardito-coraggioso
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