When things go according to plan, like everyone just runs and there is a limited contact, that's a race that is boring but what the drivers deserve as well. It is not fair that they work so hard, and only have 23 races and a few of them goes away because someone else made a mistake and crashed them.
There isn't like some rewind button neither, if you made a mistake, you go, and if someone else crashes into you, you lose, and there is nothing nobody can do. However, it is also a boring race, when it is like this, even though drivers hated it, and some teams fans hated it and all that, we still have a situation where it was a race to talk about at least, it wasn't boring at all.
Topic: Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM..... - page 153. (Read 141586 times)
April 03, 2023, 08:55:31 AM
April 03, 2023, 07:48:48 AM
Yes, Marco Bezzecchi surprised me. I thought Bagnaia would be the one to win again, but he was up on lap 17. Alex Marquez's performance is also not bad, he is quite able to carry the bike well. But I'm not sure Alex will continue to stabilize at the top because this is just the beginning. Bezzecchi's death and Bagnaia's fall made a blessing, Bezzecchi is currently ranked first with 50 points. Here's a table of the top 10 race results in Argentina and provisional rankings.
Source:
1. https://www.motogp.com/en/gp-results
2. https://www.motogp.com/en/world-standing
Source:
1. https://www.motogp.com/en/gp-results
2. https://www.motogp.com/en/world-standing
April 03, 2023, 01:49:17 AM
I don't think Mercedes drivers can fight with Verstappen at the same level in this race just as it is in the other races as well. I mean this can't happen unless Verstappen has a serious problem with his car.
-snip-
-snip-
I'm quite bored discussing Verstappen vs Alonso, or Verstappen vs Hamilton, etc. It's true that Verstappen's performance is very good at the moment, but that doesn't mean that other drivers don't have the strength to compete with him, surely other drivers will have a chance, especially this season it's still long and for sure there will be surprises from other drivers.
April 02, 2023, 05:11:54 PM
Not goingto repeat what was said, but ending of race was ridiculous. That last red flag and finish behind safety car... In such situations I like what NASCAR is doing - they add extra laps to the race. But probably such thing isn't possible in F1, cars would run out of fuel.
But I think it's not good decision to give standing restart. Maybe rolling restart isn't such exciting, but it's much safer option. That crash between Ocon and Gasly immediately gave me flashbacks to Perez and Ocon fights at Force India. I would be surprised if we will see similar accidents again this season.
Easy win for Verstappen,but obviously he wasn't happy about all these red flags and restarts - risk that something will go wrong was big. While P5 for Perez is best what he could achieve, overtaking in this track is so difficult.
But I think it's not good decision to give standing restart. Maybe rolling restart isn't such exciting, but it's much safer option. That crash between Ocon and Gasly immediately gave me flashbacks to Perez and Ocon fights at Force India. I would be surprised if we will see similar accidents again this season.
Easy win for Verstappen,but obviously he wasn't happy about all these red flags and restarts - risk that something will go wrong was big. While P5 for Perez is best what he could achieve, overtaking in this track is so difficult.
The good news is that now we have 1 month of pause since the Chinese GP has been removed and not replaced, so cars can improve.
Good news? C'mon, season just started and now we have such long 1 month break. I will miss F1 too much. 
April 02, 2023, 03:46:16 PM
This was definitely one of the most amazing races in the recent years. I'm really lucky to get up very early and to not miss this kind of a race.
I really don't remember a race that we saw this many red flags for a long while. Some people say that the last red flag wasn't right and there should have been a safety car instead. But I'm not sure about this honestly. If it wasn't a decision breaking the rules then there isn't any problem. I was hopeful about Leclerc this time but he couldn't even finish the first lap I'm afraid. It has been a horrible start for Ferrari to this season. Mercedes have made progress so far. Hamilton must be enjoying his podium. Congrats to Alonso also on his podium three times in a row.
I really don't remember a race that we saw this many red flags for a long while. Some people say that the last red flag wasn't right and there should have been a safety car instead. But I'm not sure about this honestly. If it wasn't a decision breaking the rules then there isn't any problem. I was hopeful about Leclerc this time but he couldn't even finish the first lap I'm afraid. It has been a horrible start for Ferrari to this season. Mercedes have made progress so far. Hamilton must be enjoying his podium. Congrats to Alonso also on his podium three times in a row.
April 02, 2023, 03:26:59 PM
Nevertheless, some strong words have been spoken in the Red Bull racing team this week. Only Verstappen doesn't seem to be bothered by anything. Perez would have said that Red Bull is quite capable of putting 2 good cars on the racetrack, referring to the fact that they only give Verstappen a good car. Helmut Marko, for his part, has said that Perez has simply not been riding well enough and that is the cause of Perze's poor riding so far. But why is Perez so difficult? He has already won a race this season and he is an asset to Verstappen who owes him a lot. Maybe he just doesn't want to be a 2nd driver anymore, would that be the cause in this discussion?
If I were Perez, knowing I'm a capable driver capable of winning championships, I wouldn't really want to be a second driver to someone like Max Verstappen. While the guy really is talented when it comes to driving, his ego is just a bit too much and he sometimes oversteps his position in the team just because he wants some extra cookie points. Dude's got a lot of air in his head right now and Perez is the only one who can keep him in check, but Red Bull doesn't want that and would surely favor Verstappen all the way.
Also, Verstappen owing Perez? Verstappen would surely not see it that way.
April 02, 2023, 03:24:39 PM
I think Verstappen is just very good. There are few riders as talented as him. Maybe from the past no one at all. But you can't compare drivers of the past with drivers of today, since a lot has changed. Car speeds are much higher, but safety has also changed a lot in a positive sense for this market. Also nice to see that Alonso is blooming again. It's strange what happened in the race today, but isn't that what we all want as neutral race spectators in the end?
April 02, 2023, 03:16:28 PM
Nevertheless, some strong words have been spoken in the Red Bull racing team this week.
Ferrari besides the results in the race got good improvement this week with the race time.
The problem for everyone is RBR somehow they are 1 second faster for lap in comparison to the others.
The good news is that now we have 1 month of pause since the Chinese GP has been removed and not replaced, so cars can improve.
April 02, 2023, 03:10:07 PM
Nevertheless, some strong words have been spoken in the Red Bull racing team this week. Only Verstappen doesn't seem to be bothered by anything. Perez would have said that Red Bull is quite capable of putting 2 good cars on the racetrack, referring to the fact that they only give Verstappen a good car. Helmut Marko, for his part, has said that Perez has simply not been riding well enough and that is the cause of Perze's poor riding so far. But why is Perez so difficult? He has already won a race this season and he is an asset to Verstappen who owes him a lot. Maybe he just doesn't want to be a 2nd driver anymore, would that be the cause in this discussion?
They had already some big problems in the last race of last season where Max intentionally did not let Perez come 2nd driver and since then their report is broken between them.Perez had already claimed that he will not be a 2nd driver anymore since then and that was the reason and condition that he put to the team before he signed in to renew his contract with Redbull.
In today race there were a lot of outside factors who made the race difficult for Perez and of course Redbull has their part in the fault because they choose the wrong strategy for him while they were fully focused to win the race with Verstappen and we know that Verstappen does not need that much of attention,he would have won the race anyway,but the team looks not that concerned with Perez at all and that is why such words.
April 02, 2023, 02:03:05 PM
Nevertheless, some strong words have been spoken in the Red Bull racing team this week. Only Verstappen doesn't seem to be bothered by anything. Perez would have said that Red Bull is quite capable of putting 2 good cars on the racetrack, referring to the fact that they only give Verstappen a good car. Helmut Marko, for his part, has said that Perez has simply not been riding well enough and that is the cause of Perze's poor riding so far. But why is Perez so difficult? He has already won a race this season and he is an asset to Verstappen who owes him a lot. Maybe he just doesn't want to be a 2nd driver anymore, would that be the cause in this discussion?
April 02, 2023, 01:32:47 PM
This was a really crazy match. We even experienced 2x a restart in this race. Max Verstappen ultimately stayed very cool during this last restart, but Hamilton was faster in the previous 2 starts. Hamilton was not entitled to the overall victory on the basis of driving. Verstappen was faster everywhere and somewhere, but due to the restart and several yellow flags, the differences had become minimal again. It sometimes seems that Verstappen has more horsepower in his engine when you see him flying over the circuit. He will reign supreme again this season.
You don't see it often, but those are things that come with racing. And Verstappen is the best, but also has the best engine. Very bad of Perez that he made a costly mistake in qualifying which meant that he qualified last at all and therefore had to start from last place today. They were also separate starts, at the last restart a few cars flew through the air and a few crashed. Nick de Vries has a reasonable debut in F1. It will be a while before he can really measure up to the bigger guys in this class. good to see hamilton back on the podium.
April 02, 2023, 01:11:54 PM
This was a really crazy match. We even experienced 2x a restart in this race. Max Verstappen ultimately stayed very cool during this last restart, but Hamilton was faster in the previous 2 starts. Hamilton was not entitled to the overall victory on the basis of driving. Verstappen was faster everywhere and somewhere, but due to the restart and several yellow flags, the differences had become minimal again. It sometimes seems that Verstappen has more horsepower in his engine when you see him flying over the circuit. He will reign supreme again this season.
April 02, 2023, 12:58:04 PM
Drive to Survive and the new owners Liberty Media definitely made some big changes and that is why it's getting this much attention. Plus, during the whole Senna or Lauda or even Schumi years, we didn't had social media, maybe later years of Schumi but it wasn't this global and widely used. Now? Now it's all fame and tik toks and tweets and all that, which makes it even bigger, plus the docuseries definitely made people feel like they are actually part of it, like they are on the inside, and learn more about it.
This is why I honestly believe that more and more teams will want to be part of it, and maybe not anytime soon because it would be too difficult, but we may look at a 30 team 30 week thing in the long future, like in 20-30 years.
Drive to survive definitely got a ton of new viewers without a doubt. I mean even the highlights on youtube is getting more views than it used to get and that's a big proof that it's improving. I wouldn't say 30 teams with 30 races, but maybe one day we can see about 15 or so teams, it is not a sport many can join, it's a very expensive one, and not as popular as most others, running a football club is cheaper unless you are Real Madrid of City or PSG, and yet it's not getting as much views and that's why not many want to join.This is why I honestly believe that more and more teams will want to be part of it, and maybe not anytime soon because it would be too difficult, but we may look at a 30 team 30 week thing in the long future, like in 20-30 years.
A few more teams can start, ford, audi, andretti, those type of teams can maybe start, but I doubt it would be over 15 teams, highly doubt that. I think 12 is an ideal number, with about 24 races that's ideal in my mind.
April 02, 2023, 10:44:25 AM
What a Chaos in F1.
3 red flags in a race are not common thing.
Easy win again for RBR, this year they are too much. They can win all the races.
3 red flags in a race are not common thing.
Easy win again for RBR, this year they are too much. They can win all the races.
April 02, 2023, 12:48:18 AM
Even more interesting, the sprint race results Brad Binder of the RSA Red Bull KTM team (RC16) managed to win. Today was the main race I saw Alex Marquez's first starting position. Both of the same motors have great power Ducati and KTM. It looks like they will be the favorite team to win this season. This is starting grid Autodromo Termas de Río Hondo main race.
Source: https://www.motogp.com/
Source: https://www.motogp.com/
April 02, 2023, 12:39:03 AM
The extraordinary action of a rider named Brad Binder who is on the KTM factory team must be said to be extraordinary because he, who started the Argentina MotoGp Sprint Race in 15th place, was able to finish the race in first position after having a brief duel with Morbidelli. Because after the start Morbidelli had led the race in a few laps before the duel with Brad Binder.
However, in the final laps of the race, Morbidelli was also involved in a battle with the duo riders from the Mooney VR46 Racing team which in the end Marco Bezzecchi and Luca Marini were able to win the second and third podiums and Morbidelli had to settle for ending the race in fourth place where that position is the last position. when he started it. Hopefully in today's Race at Autódromo Termas de Río Hondo there will be even more fierce competition than yesterday.
However, in the final laps of the race, Morbidelli was also involved in a battle with the duo riders from the Mooney VR46 Racing team which in the end Marco Bezzecchi and Luca Marini were able to win the second and third podiums and Morbidelli had to settle for ending the race in fourth place where that position is the last position. when he started it. Hopefully in today's Race at Autódromo Termas de Río Hondo there will be even more fierce competition than yesterday.
April 01, 2023, 06:46:14 PM
It looks like there is another comfortable win waiting for Verstappen. But podium can be a little different than the previous ones this time. Because Perez's climbing to podium from the last position will be really difficult. Mercedes drivers both can capture spots there if they aren't slower than Alonso. The strategies also will be really important for this goal.
Alonso is a really competitive driver with the new Aston Martin car now. He would surely do his best to maintain his podium series. And I see Ferrari is still a huge disappointment.
Alonso is a really competitive driver with the new Aston Martin car now. He would surely do his best to maintain his podium series. And I see Ferrari is still a huge disappointment.
April 01, 2023, 04:38:38 PM
Nice to see that Hamilton can again compete with the best in this qualifying. What can we expect from him tomorrow? Many enthusiasts still yearn for a fight between Hamilton and Verstappen, but if Verstappen drives normally and does not experience any mechanical problems, it will be difficult to keep up with him. It will take some getting used to in Australia, as European time is very early in the morning when they start racing. I would wholeheartedly give it to Hamilton if he takes another victory, after all he did not win a single race last season. Hamilton has meant a lot to the sport but has to drive in a car that is not fast/good enough.
April 01, 2023, 04:33:30 PM
I don't think Mercedes drivers can fight with Verstappen at the same level in this race just as it is in the other races as well. I mean this can't happen unless Verstappen has a serious problem with his car. It is like the only way that the other drivers can catch up with him. It is a really bad qualifying result for Perez indeed. He is starting from the back of the grid and his job about climbing the positions won't be easy at all. He needs to complete this race with minimum level of mistakes.
Alonso will fight for another podium but this time Mercedes drivers are a bigger challenge for him as well. I wonder if Alonso can maintain this series and I hope so.
Alonso will fight for another podium but this time Mercedes drivers are a bigger challenge for him as well. I wonder if Alonso can maintain this series and I hope so.
Well that's the only way the Mercs can win against Red Bull: car failure. If that doesn't happen, Max will easily breeze past all other drivers and only has to maintain a comfortable lead if he wants to win. That has been the same narrative before the start of the season, and is still the same narrative that we are seeing right now. I don't think there's any other way around it at the moment even if all the drivers suddenly drove out of their minds for the race.
Hoping for an Aston Martin podium finish, even if it's clear as day that Max will take the P1 spot again.
April 01, 2023, 04:13:13 PM
The weather should be sunny so, the only way for Mercedes and Aston Martin is to hope for a problem for Max or to overtake him at the start.
If the race will go normally, they will have no chances at all.
If the race will go normally, they will have no chances at all.
Jump to: