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If Mercedes also cheat about using the money for the developments of their car more than the limited amount then this can upset the balances a lot.

Red Bull did this and didn't even get a proper punishment for it. Maybe all the big teams will do this respectively until FIA decides upon a serious punishment for that.  Grin  This move can help Hamilton very much about getting closer to his 8th title in his career as well. But even with the help of that I believe we would still see a tough competition among Mercedes, Red Bull and Ferrari. It depends on whether Ferrari screw things up again after making a good start of course.  Grin

I think that every year that passes makes the chances for Hamilton to win the 8th title slighter and slighter.I think his age is starting to show and the fact that his team mate did better than him the last season says a lot about Hamilton being restricted by age and this is not a single thing that is happening only to Hamilton.Just remember Michael Schumacher when he returned with Mercedes at an age even higher than this of Hamilton,sure he was 7 times Champion like Hamilton is but he was not capable of even a single good race and yes I know that Mercedes was not that good at that time.

So most likely I see young drivers like Verstappen and Leclerc together with Sainz and Norris if McLaren step up their game as fighting for victories for this upcoming season.
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If Mercedes also cheat about using the money for the developments of their car more than the limited amount then this can upset the balances a lot.

Red Bull did this and didn't even get a proper punishment for it. Maybe all the big teams will do this respectively until FIA decides upon a serious punishment for that.  Grin  This move can help Hamilton very much about getting closer to his 8th title in his career as well. But even with the help of that I believe we would still see a tough competition among Mercedes, Red Bull and Ferrari. It depends on whether Ferrari screw things up again after making a good start of course.  Grin
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I think "exact data" is the part that is getting the news in that situation. Sure every team says they are better, but by comparison Mercedes has 16 HP better, and Red Bull has 10 HP, that is why the extra 30 HP that Ferrari got is a big big deal, and that's why its important. Its not just "we got a better car" type of situation, its more about the fact they have something that is tangible, which is the fact that they have an exact amount of horse power that they have added, which is why its such an important thing. I believe that they are definitely going to be better. And their "better", will be better than others better basically. Not saying they will win, but just saying they will be closer at least.

They also had this advantage of the faster car with a better engine in the first part of the last season but at what cost,at the cost of reliability so when we will see that these extra 30 HP won't affect their performance by ruining races like the most famous bad one is the Azerbaijan last race where both Ferrari cars ended up with failures and ended their race prematurely.They first need to fix the reliability issues before they will have the full advantage from these extra horse power,once they fix it they can clearly say and also make it happen on the race tracks that we will win the 2023 F1 season.
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I think "exact data" is the part that is getting the news in that situation. Sure every team says they are better, but by comparison Mercedes has 16 HP better, and Red Bull has 10 HP, that is why the extra 30 HP that Ferrari got is a big big deal, and that's why its important. Its not just "we got a better car" type of situation, its more about the fact they have something that is tangible, which is the fact that they have an exact amount of horse power that they have added, which is why its such an important thing. I believe that they are definitely going to be better. And their "better", will be better than others better basically. Not saying they will win, but just saying they will be closer at least.
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Yeah that has been known for a while and talked about a few pages back, but there is still a question about it. Every single year Ferrari team comes out and says something that makes the fans go "this is the year!!" and then it turns out that they are still not that great.


Well, this is a common thing for all the teams, no?

I've never seen a team saying on tv "our car sucks and next year will be slower by 1-second"  Grin
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Why a Ferrari then when you have this super Mercedes?
Easy because is not a Ferrari  Wink.


BTW, small big news.

Frederic Vasseur spoke during these days and he said Ferraro solved the engine problem of 2022.

The rumor was for an increase of power of 30hp + the reduction of power they were using the past year for saving engines.
Yeah that has been known for a while and talked about a few pages back, but there is still a question about it. Every single year Ferrari team comes out and says something that makes the fans go "this is the year!!" and then it turns out that they are still not that great.

I believe that we shouldn't really be expecting much from them until we see it. If they come out on the first race and they are much better compared to last year, I would still hold my horses, wait for like first 3-4 races and see if they are good that much in all of them? In that case I will get hopeful about it yet again, but so far not going to do that before the season starts based on press release stuff. Been fooled too many times before Cheesy.
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Why a Ferrari then when you have this super Mercedes?


Easy because is not a Ferrari  Wink.




BTW, small big news.

Frederic Vasseur spoke during these days and he said Ferraro solved the engine problem of 2022.

The rumor was for an increase of power of 30hp + the reduction of power they were using the past year for saving engines.
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Max bought a ferarri for himself lol. I mean it's okay of course, anyone can buy any car, there is nothing wrong with that. And we all know how awesome ferrari cars can become, specially when you do not have to listen to their pit Cheesy And since there is no "red bull" car that he can drive on the road, what was he suppose to do, he had to buy from a competition if he wanted a good car.

But, this is of course a great marketing for ferrari as well, even their opponents preferred them type of marketing would be great for them, and they can't officially do it, but just this fact known is good enough. Can't wait for the season to start, it will be awesome to see how teams changed.

It's not just ferrari that exist on the streets, we also have great car options in Mercedes.

Mercedes-Benz recently unveiled its first copy of the AMG One hypercar (it's the only one manufactured so far), its paintwork is reminiscent of Lewis Hamilton's seven-time Formula 1 car.
The start of the Mercedes-AMG One project was announced in 2016 and stipulated that deliveries would take place from 2019, however, the German brand delayed this deadline and the first unit was delivered at the end of 2022 only.
The German car still has a Formula 1 reference at the rear with several symbols of the Mercedes brand, in addition to having details in green. This color refers to the main sponsor of the team in F1, the oil company Petronas.
Unfortunately, Mercedes has only released the external look, so it's unknown if there are any internal references to the Formula 1 car as well.
But... it is known that the engine is also related to the W11, after all, the 2020 Formula 1 car is driven by a hybrid set, just like the AMG One.
The super sports car has three engines, two electric with 322 hp each and another combustion engine, allowing the AMG One to exceed 1000 hp of power. In addition to this similarity with the F1, the combustion engine of the German super sports car is a 1.6 four-cylinder with electric turbocharger that has direct injection considered to be derived from the F1 car.

Why a Ferrari then when you have this super Mercedes?


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Max bought a ferarri for himself lol. I mean it's okay of course, anyone can buy any car, there is nothing wrong with that. And we all know how awesome ferrari cars can become, specially when you do not have to listen to their pit Cheesy And since there is no "red bull" car that he can drive on the road, what was he suppose to do, he had to buy from a competition if he wanted a good car.

But, this is of course a great marketing for ferrari as well, even their opponents preferred them type of marketing would be great for them, and they can't officially do it, but just this fact known is good enough. Can't wait for the season to start, it will be awesome to see how teams changed.

As Vettel one time said, everyone in the end is a Ferrari fan.
How can a driver decline the beauty of Ferrari?

Guess what, even Hamilton has at least 1 Ferrari in his collection.

Alonso said something the same.  He said something that sounded like 'every F1 driver wants to drive for Ferrari.'.  And historically the Ferrari has always been the symbol of beauty and speed when it comes to cars.  No one could deny that.  It's prolly why a lot of F1 fans laugh and make a lot of funny memes when they see Ferrari makes a not so smart decisions during a race because it's so unlike them to make those kinds of mistakes.

I bet everyone one of those F1 drivers have a Ferrari or want one if they still don't have it.
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I have several assumptions.... it could be because they don't want to reveal the full "potential" of the new cars to competing teams.
Or else because the car is not yet ready, it needs to be better tested and perfected in the laboratory, especially now that time is tight and there are only a few days left for the official races.
It is also possible that they want to prevent any accidents, damage or extra costs that could result in major problems that may not be resolved until the start of the championship.

Furthermore, I believe that even pilots feel more "comfortable" in training with a car they already know.
One thing I am 100% certain about because it is public is the fact that they want to test out the angles, meaning how much the design of the car matters and 2 year old cars do not really have the exact results, but they definitely show which is better and which is worse.

If you had some Toyota corolla out there with wings, it would still be the same, because the idea is to find what is better, not to test the current car but to test the setup. I am sure there are million other things that they look for, but that part of it is definitely important, the fraction of speed you gain from even one millimetre difference in the setup could gain you tens of seconds in a race.
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Yeah it is a lovely SF90 Stradale Assetto Fiorano.  Grin

Ferrari has very special cars and it is really inevitable for any person to refrain from even looking at them. Verstappen really understands from a great work of art like a Ferrari. I'm pretty sure if Red Bull also was a car manufacturer or owned a brand then he would have add at least one of its cars to his collection. By the way it is a red SF90 and I think it is the best color for any Ferrari car. It's like an iconic color for Ferrari already. I wonder if he would leave Red Bull one day and race for Ferrari as well.  Cheesy

Improbable he will end in Ferrari.

To "cheat" the Salary cap (AGAIN) he singed a renew of his contract for an endless amount of time so the money are not going in the salary cap introduced 2 years ago.

He will stay in RBR for at least for 4 years.
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Max bought a ferarri for himself lol. I mean it's okay of course, anyone can buy any car, there is nothing wrong with that. And we all know how awesome ferrari cars can become, specially when you do not have to listen to their pit Cheesy And since there is no "red bull" car that he can drive on the road, what was he suppose to do, he had to buy from a competition if he wanted a good car.

But, this is of course a great marketing for ferrari as well, even their opponents preferred them type of marketing would be great for them, and they can't officially do it, but just this fact known is good enough. Can't wait for the season to start, it will be awesome to see how teams changed.

Yeah it is a lovely SF90 Stradale Assetto Fiorano.  Grin

Ferrari has very special cars and it is really inevitable for any person to refrain from even looking at them. Verstappen really understands from a great work of art like a Ferrari. I'm pretty sure if Red Bull also was a car manufacturer or owned a brand then he would have add at least one of its cars to his collection. By the way it is a red SF90 and I think it is the best color for any Ferrari car. It's like an iconic color for Ferrari already. I wonder if he would leave Red Bull one day and race for Ferrari as well.  Cheesy
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Max bought a ferarri for himself lol. I mean it's okay of course, anyone can buy any car, there is nothing wrong with that. And we all know how awesome ferrari cars can become, specially when you do not have to listen to their pit Cheesy And since there is no "red bull" car that he can drive on the road, what was he suppose to do, he had to buy from a competition if he wanted a good car.

But, this is of course a great marketing for ferrari as well, even their opponents preferred them type of marketing would be great for them, and they can't officially do it, but just this fact known is good enough. Can't wait for the season to start, it will be awesome to see how teams changed.

As Vettel one time said, everyone in the end is a Ferrari fan.
How can a driver decline the beauty of Ferrari?

Guess what, even Hamilton has at least 1 Ferrari in his collection.
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He racing for "Redbull" drink company and already got free-redbull life time.

What do u expect? buying a RedBull again ~XD but it's actually a good meme in F1 Community. The salestment need to make sure, max bring the 4 tyre in-case ferarri only give 3 tyre on his ferarri ~LOL

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In these two days I was having fun watching the WSBK riders test at the Spanish Jerez circuit along with the Honda MotoGP team as well where they also did a test with Stefan Bradl. It seems that the Honda factory team is really working hard at the moment to improve the bike that will be used this season in MotoGP.



The other news that I got yesterday was the launch of the KTM factory team livery for the 2023 season and hopefully this season KTM can really experience an increase in performance so that it can be very competitive in races. Source: ktmfactoryracing and motogp

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Max bought a ferarri for himself lol. I mean it's okay of course, anyone can buy any car, there is nothing wrong with that. And we all know how awesome ferrari cars can become, specially when you do not have to listen to their pit Cheesy And since there is no "red bull" car that he can drive on the road, what was he suppose to do, he had to buy from a competition if he wanted a good car.

But, this is of course a great marketing for ferrari as well, even their opponents preferred them type of marketing would be great for them, and they can't officially do it, but just this fact known is good enough. Can't wait for the season to start, it will be awesome to see how teams changed.

I think that it is truly a great marketing for Ferrari when the World Champion goes and buys a Ferrari car.He could have also bought a McLaren or any other sport car and in fact if he were to be in love with the Redbull-Honda team he could have bought the new Acura NSX racing which is the flagship racing car from Honda but yet he got and bought a Ferrari bypassing the team where he is in.

The new season should be better than the last one as cars follow each other closely with the new regulations and all teams had one year and some even more who started this season car development early and most likely they have learned a couple of things from the season we left behind so the battle in this upcoming season should be better.
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Max bought a ferarri for himself lol. I mean it's okay of course, anyone can buy any car, there is nothing wrong with that. And we all know how awesome ferrari cars can become, specially when you do not have to listen to their pit Cheesy And since there is no "red bull" car that he can drive on the road, what was he suppose to do, he had to buy from a competition if he wanted a good car.

But, this is of course a great marketing for ferrari as well, even their opponents preferred them type of marketing would be great for them, and they can't officially do it, but just this fact known is good enough. Can't wait for the season to start, it will be awesome to see how teams changed.
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Ferrari also did the warm-up test in Fiorano with an old version of the car.

We are almost ready boys, 1 month to see the cars.

I still not get the point of these test done with 2 years old car  Huh

I have several assumptions.... it could be because they don't want to reveal the full "potential" of the new cars to competing teams.
Or else because the car is not yet ready, it needs to be better tested and perfected in the laboratory, especially now that time is tight and there are only a few days left for the official races.
It is also possible that they want to prevent any accidents, damage or extra costs that could result in major problems that may not be resolved until the start of the championship.

Furthermore, I believe that even pilots feel more "comfortable" in training with a car they already know.
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Ferrari also did the warm-up test in Fiorano with an old version of the car.

We are almost ready boys, 1 month to see the cars.

I still not get the point of these test done with 2 years old car  Huh
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Of course not cos even thinking about it would be dumb.  If Perez deliberately crashes on Verstappen during a race, I'm pretty sure Perez will be given the sack the next say and his reputation is shot.  Who would ever give him a drive if he deliberately crashes on his team mate for his personal gain?

And what I'm just saying is Verstappen prolly had valid reasons for being an asshole.  Be it the Monaco event or something else, Verstappen looked like he was really mad at Perez at the time.
I think yes that would be the case if he behaves like this but if for example these two drivers are found in a middle of mischief during a multiple car accidents Perez can then deliberately crash on Verstappen and claim he didn't see his team mate in the middle of such big accidents.I know that these type of accidents rarely happen but when they do and if you find yourself in the middle of such accidents they can as well ruin your title fight,give you a psychological blow so that you are not giving your 100% anymore and this may as well happen to Verstappen,it will be interesting to see the relations between these two team mates during the new season which starts in one month and a bit.
Perez won't crash on Verstappen, that would be too obvious and it would hurt his chances to keep being employed, there is a reason why Perez is still there and not someone else, he could have been fired already and they could have brought in some other guy if they didn't trust Perez to do the job he was supposed to do. I mean Perez has as much as possible help on 2021 title as he could. But... he could be not so great, and if he doesn't really help as much, he doesn't need to crash, he just needs to not hold others up, and that would make it a lot harder for Max to win a title, with Ferrari having another 30 HP allegedly, his help means a lot.
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