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Some rumors about Mercedes.
The car of the next year should follow the car they used the past year.

Their unique car will be used again so they are not copying Ferrari or RBR either.

Do you think is a good idea?

No idea...  Grin  I guess if it's fast, good idea.  If it's slow against Red Bull and Ferrari, def a bad idea.  Cheesy

But who knows, their engineers know better than we do for sure.  So overall it's prolly a good idea at the time when they decided to go for the no side pods design.  But then again, it's all about finishing on the podium.  I guess we'll just have to see.

Any rumors on Binotto and where he'll go next?
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First week for Fred Vasseur in Ferrari.



Source: https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/1612492365528240143

Hoping for the best, he was the previous boss of Leclerc in Alpha Tauri and he has a huge experience, should be easy do better than Binotto.

I think that he has experience,a lot of experience however I don't think he has ever before managed a big team with really high expectations like Ferrari.This is I think the first time he is appointed to manage such a team and I wish him success because no one better than a person with his experience should take this role,however I am not expecting big things right from the first year for him,in the first year I am sure he will be more focused on building a winning car for the 2024 season while he will also improve the 2023 one if it is a good car.I think he can win some races but I doubt he will make the big move to win the F1 Championship since his first season at Ferrari.
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MotoGP 2023 pre-season test calendar
The 2023 pre-season actually started last November, with the test day being held two days after the Valencia MotoGP. Preparations will continue in February, first with the traditional Sepang shakedown and then with three days of actual testing, also at the Malaysian track.

The novelty came with the last test before the start of the season. Trials are usually held in Qatar, as the series opener. But this season, the first test was actually held in Portimao. There was also something new in the first mid-season test, which was held last year at the Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya. On this occasion, the spring test took place at Jerez, while the September test remained at Misano. Reference source: motorsport.com

  • 5 -7 February, Sepang: Shakedown
  • 10 - 12 February, Sepang: Test
  • 11 - 12 March, Portimao: Test
  • May 1, Jerez: mid-season test
  • September 11, Misano: mid-season test
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Reportedly yamaha will be the first team to unveil a new motorbike for this year. The news that appeared on social media, they will be using a motorbike with new colors this year. Interestingly they will release it in Indonesia. January 17th to be exact. I'm trying to find a picture of the bike for 2023 belonging to Yamaha but I haven't got it yet. It seems that this year Morbidelli and Quartararo are the two riders who use the Yamaha M1 as the RNF satellite team moves to Aprilia. Perhaps last year's M1 was very bad to compete with a big power bike on the Straights. But hopefully they've fixed that, so the race will be more interesting. Although I see that maybe Ducati's dominance will continue.
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First week for Fred Vasseur in Ferrari.



Source: https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/1612492365528240143

Hoping for the best, he was the previous boss of Leclerc in Alpha Tauri and he has a huge experience, should be easy do better than Binotto.
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However, sponsors from several well-known brands that sponsor MotoGP teams, whether it's from the Helmet brand or the exhaust brand, don't all sponsor money go to the individual racers themselves.
Because whether or not a sponsor submitting their name is accepted or not is determined by the management of the team, not the racers.
So I think your statement is a little inaccurate and I can also understand what you mean.
Thank goodness if you can understand what I mean because I'm basically not talking about money from a sponsor, but only telling about the helmet brand for the riders and also happened to see a team that has changed the exhaust brand for this season. And I can also understand what you're saying, even though it's a little deviated from what I discussed earlier because I'm not discussing technical issues with a team that accepts sponsors, but directly with teams that have received sponsors in essence.
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Some rumors about Mercedes.
The car of the next year should follow the car they used the past year.

Their unique car will be used again so they are not copying Ferrari or RBR either.

Do you think is a good idea?
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Mercedes claims that they got a new fuel from Petronas, which means that it's going to be easier to run faster while spending less fuel. This could be a huge huge advantage for them because most teams take care of their fuel so it doesn't end before the race ends, if you could run full speed all race without caring about fuel that would be insane benefit.

I am not sensing it would be that big of a difference, but even just a big, even 0.1 per lap is a huge thing in F1 as we all know. Three is like 5km top speed difference as dominating others, so 0.1 second faster would mean big help. All three at the top doing their best to be fair, that's just good for us viewers.

That will be a new advantage for Mercedes because with the new fuel from Petronas it will become new energy for the newest W14 car. Moreover, the car has been designed with a new DNA which could make Mercedes a new team that could rival Ferrari and Red Bull.

Mercedes was already rivaling both teams in the end of last season where they even won a race,I believe in Brazil,it was one of the last races where Max was already Champion but the fact is that the car,Mercedes car had the best upgrades during the year despite with not exceeding the limit of the budget like Redbull did.I am sure they will be a strong contender this year if they start working where they left off but not only them,Ferrari and even McLaren I hope will be added to the teams that will fight to win races during this year against Redbull.
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Mercedes claims that they got a new fuel from Petronas, which means that it's going to be easier to run faster while spending less fuel. This could be a huge huge advantage for them because most teams take care of their fuel so it doesn't end before the race ends, if you could run full speed all race without caring about fuel that would be insane benefit.

I am not sensing it would be that big of a difference, but even just a big, even 0.1 per lap is a huge thing in F1 as we all know. Three is like 5km top speed difference as dominating others, so 0.1 second faster would mean big help. All three at the top doing their best to be fair, that's just good for us viewers.

That will be a new advantage for Mercedes because with the new fuel from Petronas it will become new energy for the newest W14 car. Moreover, the car has been designed with a new DNA which could make Mercedes a new team that could rival Ferrari and Red Bull.
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Each MotoGP team has its own sponsor and sponsoring a MotoGP team is not easy and requires a lot of money to sponsor it.
So do not be surprised if there are some team management or racers who change brands for a sponsor. If there are other brands that offer their names as sponsors and provide a larger amount of money than the old sponsor, then a replacement will definitely be made.
As a MotoGP team, it also requires costs that must be spent in every racing event held.
That's clear and I'm only telling one of the big MotoGP teams because a team like Honda is a team that people always look up to. And on average I tell about the helmet brand that will be used by each rider, which means it is aimed at the person, not for the general public, like some people who are members of the team. The other thing I'm looking forward to is pre-season testing and also the team presentation for this season apart from the opening race in Portugal.
However, sponsors from several well-known brands that sponsor MotoGP teams, whether it's from the Helmet brand or the exhaust brand, don't all sponsor money go to the individual racers themselves.
Because whether or not a sponsor submitting their name is accepted or not is determined by the management of the team, not the racers.
So I think your statement is a little inaccurate and I can also understand what you mean.
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Mercedes claims that they got a new fuel from Petronas, which means that it's going to be easier to run faster while spending less fuel. This could be a huge huge advantage for them because most teams take care of their fuel so it doesn't end before the race ends, if you could run full speed all race without caring about fuel that would be insane benefit.

I am not sensing it would be that big of a difference, but even just a big, even 0.1 per lap is a huge thing in F1 as we all know. Three is like 5km top speed difference as dominating others, so 0.1 second faster would mean big help. All three at the top doing their best to be fair, that's just good for us viewers.

Much has been said about the performance of engines from F1's four main fuel suppliers in early 2022.
Power decreased significantly with the entry of the E10, in which F1 engines are obligatorily fueled with a mixture of 90% fossil fuel (gasoline) and 10% biofuel (ethanol).

In fact, the E10 is not a technological novelty if we think that it is already used in several countries in street cars, including Europe. But for F1 it is a considerable change, considering that previously it was necessary to comply with up to 5.75% of biocomponents in gasoline (E5).

F1 is and always will be a testing ground for the motorsport world, teams and their suppliers face new challenges every year, learning from mistakes and developing new technologies for the following season.
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Mercedes claims that they got a new fuel from Petronas, which means that it's going to be easier to run faster while spending less fuel. This could be a huge huge advantage for them because most teams take care of their fuel so it doesn't end before the race ends, if you could run full speed all race without caring about fuel that would be insane benefit.

I am not sensing it would be that big of a difference, but even just a big, even 0.1 per lap is a huge thing in F1 as we all know. Three is like 5km top speed difference as dominating others, so 0.1 second faster would mean big help. All three at the top doing their best to be fair, that's just good for us viewers.

Yup teams are doing the propaganda right now.

For example, the Ferrari is rumored to be very very light even underweight, and 1 Kilo is rumored to be 250.000 €uro of work.
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Mercedes claims that they got a new fuel from Petronas, which means that it's going to be easier to run faster while spending less fuel. This could be a huge huge advantage for them because most teams take care of their fuel so it doesn't end before the race ends, if you could run full speed all race without caring about fuel that would be insane benefit.

I am not sensing it would be that big of a difference, but even just a big, even 0.1 per lap is a huge thing in F1 as we all know. Three is like 5km top speed difference as dominating others, so 0.1 second faster would mean big help. All three at the top doing their best to be fair, that's just good for us viewers.
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We have an update on the official dates for the presentations of the new cars, keep in mind it is in Italian but it easily translatable,

11 febbraio: AlphaTauri (AT04)
13 febbraio: Aston Martin (AMR23)
13 febbraio: McLaren (MCL37)
14 febbraio: Ferrari (progetto 675, nome ancora da definire)
16 febbraio: Alpine (A523)
Red Bull (RB19): da confermare
Mercedes (W14): da confermare
Alfa Romeo (C43): da confermare
Haas (VF23): da confermare
Williams (FW45): da confermare

Source : https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/calendario-presentazioni-2023-date-orari-modelli-ferrari-progetto-675-aston-martin-redbull-mercedes


Fun fact, Ferrari is the only one without a name for the car yet.
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Each MotoGP team has its own sponsor and sponsoring a MotoGP team is not easy and requires a lot of money to sponsor it.
So do not be surprised if there are some team management or racers who change brands for a sponsor. If there are other brands that offer their names as sponsors and provide a larger amount of money than the old sponsor, then a replacement will definitely be made.
As a MotoGP team, it also requires costs that must be spent in every racing event held.
That's clear and I'm only telling one of the big MotoGP teams because a team like Honda is a team that people always look up to. And on average I tell about the helmet brand that will be used by each rider, which means it is aimed at the person, not for the general public, like some people who are members of the team. The other thing I'm looking forward to is pre-season testing and also the team presentation for this season apart from the opening race in Portugal.
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2026 in F1 will be a very very strong year for sure, it will be like a renewal for many teams and it is going to be insane. We are talking about a season where both rules are changing, cars are changing, both inside and outside of the car is changing and we are talking about new teams, more teams, more races, and many other things.

It is going to be something amazing when the time comes. We are just in 2023 season now, so we have this season, next and a year after that, 3 more seasons with this and I think Red Bull will win it all, 4 in a row constructors and 5 in a row drivers with Max, but after that? After that it is all anyone's game, everyone would need to work hard to build something around it.

Yes, it seems that in the next few seasons Red Bull will lead as the best constructor in F1, but we must not allow variables like Ferrari to change the game and take over Red Bull as the best constructor, because we know that Ferrari have changed their principal team and already overcome some problems on their racing. Carlos Sainz is also quite confident that their team will catch up with Red Bull, not in the next season, but it will be tough competition that Red Bull will experience in the next few seasons. Ferrari has learned from previous experience, especially regarding issues of race execution and tire management, they are very concerned about this and are ready to compete with Red Bull.
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Toto Wolff seems very confident about W13.  Smiley

This makes me question one thing especially. I wonder if they are planning to do the same thing Red Bull did in the latest season. I mean that Mercedes might also spend more money than the limit for the developments of their car. In the end Red Bull didn't get a huge punishment for this action. Mercedes can also use this to their advantage in the upcoming season. If FIA change the rules about that and apply a bigger punishment upon Mercedes then I can't imagine how Mercedes will react to that.  Grin

Toto was very confident also about the 2022 season and we saw that it didn't end well.I hope that they are back in competition in 2023 but Redbull is not because of nothing where they are now,they have hired Adrian Newey which in my opinion is the best aerodynamics engineer in F1 yet,he won with McLaren before and now with Redbull,in order for other teams to beat Redbull they need to bring a better aerodynamics engineer in their team which for me it is impossible because I don't think anyone is better at this job than the Redbull Newey.They can spend more but I don't think it will make any big difference,I also don't think FIA will punish such team that does that because in the end FIA wants spectacle.
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we now have the Moto GP schedule.

it will have 21 races, source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/calendari/calendario-motogp-2023-21-gare-programma-date-mugello-misano-ducati-sprint

Data    Gran Premio    Circuito
24-26 marzo    Portogallo    Portimão
31 marzo-2 aprile    Argentina    Termas de Río Hondo
14-16 aprile    Americhe    Austin
28-30 aprile    Spagna    Jerez de la Frontera
12-14 maggio    Francia    Le Mans
9-11 giugno    Italia    Mugello
16-18 giugno    Germania    Sachsenring
23-25 giugno    Olanda    Assen
7-9 luglio    Kazakistan    Sokol
4-6 agosto    Gran Bretagna    Silverstone
18-20 agosto    Austria    Spielberg
1-3 settembre    Catalogna    Montmelò
8-10 settembre    San Marino e Riviera di Rimini    Misano
22-24 settembre    India    Buddah
29 settembre-1 ottobre    Giappone    Motegi
13-15 ottobre    Indonesia    Mandalika
20-22 ottobre    Australia    Phillip Island
27-29 ottobre    Thailandia    Buriram
10-12 novembre    Malesia    Sepang
17-19 novembre    Qatar    Lusail
24-26 novembre    Comunità Valenciana    Valencia
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Toto Wolff seems very confident about W13.  Smiley

This makes me question one thing especially. I wonder if they are planning to do the same thing Red Bull did in the latest season. I mean that Mercedes might also spend more money than the limit for the developments of their car. In the end Red Bull didn't get a huge punishment for this action. Mercedes can also use this to their advantage in the upcoming season. If FIA change the rules about that and apply a bigger punishment upon Mercedes then I can't imagine how Mercedes will react to that.  Grin
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We have seen a Ford works team have a couple of seasons in F1 but Hyundai?  Do they even have the technical know how to compete in such a cut throat sport like F1?  The established teams will chew them up and spit them out easy.  But the more teams the better.  I'd like to see Toyota come back in F1 too and get some more Asian automakers represented in F1. 

Hyundai is never known for high-performance cars. They have great hybrids for comfort and cars that have excellent fuel economy. Not really sure whether they can build and tune something for speed. Perhaps they already have a separate division for such cars but F1? Not so sure about that. They are competing in WRC too so there's that, but F1 is just another league. But yeah, more inclusivity and representation for the Asia region will be most welcome.

2026 in F1 will be a very very strong year for sure, it will be like a renewal for many teams and it is going to be insane. We are talking about a season where both rules are changing, cars are changing, both inside and outside of the car is changing and we are talking about new teams, more teams, more races, and many other things.

Here's to hoping that the 2026 season will bring back the V8s or even the V10 engines so that we could bring back those screaming monsters at the track. But we all know that it's just a dream long gone with all these regulations and calls to safety. Every team and manufacturer can surely bring a monster of a car if these restrictions are not imposed, but the FIA is looking to focus more on weight reduction for cars and not so much about power.

It is going to be something amazing when the time comes. We are just in 2023 season now, so we have this season, next and a year after that, 3 more seasons with this and I think Red Bull will win it all, 4 in a row constructors and 5 in a row drivers with Max, but after that? After that it is all anyone's game, everyone would need to work hard to build something around it.

Red Bull can keep their lead for now. They literally have the best of everything that you could ask for in a team. Mercedes' reign is now over, but they still have a very powerful car that can still win races, though not so sure about constructors or drivers given that Hamilton seemed to have lost the grit he has before. Hopefully George Russell is a good fit that could motivate him again of his love on the sport.
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