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^ Yup, I just heard too. Sad. I would've love to see him race for a couple more seasons.

And Aston Martin, called Force India years ago, just got worse since Lawrence Stroll came in and bought the team.

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So it may rain this weekend Shocked

Source: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=hungaroring+meteo

I think I have never seen rain in the Hungarian GP

Blame climate change. Lol. But I don't mind races at wet tracks as much as I did before tbh.

Here's the time schedule for the Hungarian GP.

2022 F1 Hungarian GP Time Schedule

July 29: Practice 1, 14:00 - 15:00
July 29: Practice 2, 17:00 - 18:00
July 30: Practice 3, 13:00 - 14:00
July 30: Qualifying, 16:00 - 17:00
July 31: Race, 15:00

And it looks like the books have lined Leclerc to get P1 at qualifying at 1.72 with Verstappen at 2.75 and Leclerc to proceed in winning the race lined at 2.20 with Verstappen at 2.50. So it looks like Vestappen is the value side here.

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Quote from: Real-Duke on July 28, 2022, 09:44:11 AM

Sebastian Vettel is leaving Formula 1 after Season 2022 Undecided

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vettel-announces-retirement-from-f1-after-2022-season/10344454/

Unfortunately it is true. Cry

In my opinion, Sebastian Vettel is one of the greatest drivers ever in Formula 1. It is frustrating to see him saying goodbye to Formula 1 after racing with a very bad car during the whole season. Aston Martin couldn't even give a proper car to him to be able to have a decent season before his retirement. It would have been nice to see him in a better car next season and race harder before he retires. But I'm still going to remember him with his great years with Red Bull especially.

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Sebastian Vettel is leaving Formula 1 after Season 2022 Undecided

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vettel-announces-retirement-from-f1-after-2022-season/10344454/

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I'm a bit surprised, but it's been apparent for a while that Porsche wants to enter Formula 1. But the fact that Porsche is buying 50% of the Red Bull team is a bit unexpected. From Porsche's point of view, it's not a bad move, as RedBull already owns its own powertrain company, RedBull Powertrains. So Porsche will only have to develop the combustion engine, as it does now with Honda, and they will work very closely together on the other drive components.

Will RedBull then be called RedBull Porsche Factory Racing? Audi is apparently negotiating with Sauber (Alfa Romeo).

https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel-1/news/leak-durch-kartellbehoerde-porsche-uebernimmt-50-prozent-von-red-bull-22072708

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So it may rain this weekend Shocked

Source: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=hungaroring+meteo

I think I have never seen rain in the Hungarian GP

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Quote from: el kaka22 on July 25, 2022, 06:10:15 PM

Max is definitely the champion after this race, there wasn't a doubt in my mind but there were some in some people, but everyone should agree after such a day. In the end we are talking about Ferrari as a competition and we all know Ferrari is a shitty team these days. They have been like this for a long time.

Charles didn't crash because of any team mistakes I think, but at the end of the day he is still not at fault neither, it is just racing and sometimes this happens. So, we could end up focusing on the next races. Red Bull and Max will be the winners, but just because we know the winner doesn't mean we can't watch the season. Lewis won so many and with ease, but we still watched right?

100% correct and this is coming from a Ferrari fan. Personally, I do think that even if Charles won this race , Max would still have been the champ by the end of the year. Why ? Because he is already in that mental state of a champ and you can see this in his race when he makes no mistakes during the race and he keeps calm and all that by just the age of 24. Crazy , right ? Well , that's what happens when you're fighting in top for multiple years , you become so adapt with pressure and what you need to win a champ , that you won't make any mistakes and that's why you win races sometimes.

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Quote from: 1kodumtek7 on July 27, 2022, 04:40:05 AM

We are in another race week now right before the summer break. This race is going to be very important mentally for Verstappen and Leclerc both. Because in case one of them captures a significant advantage against the other, that driver is going to have a more satisfying ending in the first half of the season. Leclerc desperately needs to win the Hungarian GP this weekend. After that very unfortunate crash the gap with Verstappen has been opened too much. He needs to win as many races as possible to still have a chance for the championship.

While I agree with you from the past races we have seen there is no real big difference between the cars as even Ocon with Alpine has won this race with the right circumstances that favored him a couple of years ago.This means that the upcoming race will be a fierce full battle and most probably if only one of the two drivers have a reliability or some other problem can make the other one to get a significant advantage over the other,mostly Leclerc should win this race otherwise if Verstappen wins this I think the title war ends here.

@boltz it’s another disappointing season so far from Ferrari as I personally had expected them to fight hard for the title, but I guess that now we can only hope for a miracle other wise this season too will end like the past few seasons i.e. Ferrari failing to win again. @swogerino I strongly feel that mentally Max is stronger than Leclerc and that’s why he’ll defeat him again during the upcoming race, and if that happens then I doubt that Leclerc will be able to bounce back from this latest setback.

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Quote from: 1kodumtek7 on July 27, 2022, 04:40:05 AM

We are in another race week now right before the summer break. This race is going to be very important mentally for Verstappen and Leclerc both. Because in case one of them captures a significant advantage against the other, that driver is going to have a more satisfying ending in the first half of the season. Leclerc desperately needs to win the Hungarian GP this weekend. After that very unfortunate crash the gap with Verstappen has been opened too much. He needs to win as many races as possible to still have a chance for the championship.

While I agree with you from the past races we have seen there is no real big difference between the cars as even Ocon with Alpine has won this race with the right circumstances that favored him a couple of years ago.This means that the upcoming race will be a fierce full battle and most probably if only one of the two drivers have a reliability or some other problem can make the other one to get a significant advantage over the other,mostly Leclerc should win this race otherwise if Verstappen wins this I think the title war ends here.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on July 25, 2022, 06:10:15 PM

Max is definitely the champion after this race, there wasn't a doubt in my mind but there were some in some people, but everyone should agree after such a day. In the end we are talking about Ferrari as a competition and we all know Ferrari is a shitty team these days. They have been like this for a long time.

Charles didn't crash because of any team mistakes I think, but at the end of the day he is still not at fault neither, it is just racing and sometimes this happens. So, we could end up focusing on the next races. Red Bull and Max will be the winners, but just because we know the winner doesn't mean we can't watch the season. Lewis won so many and with ease, but we still watched right?

100% correct and this is coming from a Ferrari fan. Personally, I do think that even if Charles won this race , Max would still have been the champ by the end of the year. Why ? Because he is already in that mental state of a champ and you can see this in his race when he makes no mistakes during the race and he keeps calm and all that by just the age of 24. Crazy , right ? Well , that's what happens when you're fighting in top for multiple years , you become so adapt with pressure and what you need to win a champ , that you won't make any mistakes and that's why you win races sometimes.

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We are in another race week now right before the summer break. This race is going to be very important mentally for Verstappen and Leclerc both. Because in case one of them captures a significant advantage against the other, that driver is going to have a more satisfying ending in the first half of the season. Leclerc desperately needs to win the Hungarian GP this weekend. After that very unfortunate crash the gap with Verstappen has been opened too much. He needs to win as many races as possible to still have a chance for the championship.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on July 25, 2022, 07:16:01 PM

The race was really horrible for Ferrari. Leclerc's unfortunate crash made him very frustrated. He was very angry for some time after the incident. These things exist in Formula 1 I'm afraid as everything can change by only one lap. However Ferrari were at fault as well. The reason is that they still can't give a proper-working car for Leclerc and Sainz both. After scary events in the Austria GP this time Leclerc was out of the race. Sainz also had a bad race because of a bad pit and unsafe release.

This time though was 100% Leclerc fault as he lost the rear trying to make a gap with Verstappen in order to come first even after he was to enter the pits.Ferrari as we saw with Sainz this time brought the most performing car of the weekend and it was also the fastest as we saw that really really fast lap of 1.34.xxx while before the fastest lap was 1.37.096 from Verstappen,this shows that Ferrari clearly has improved a lot.It is time now for its drivers to start acting accordingly and the thing they need to do more and much better is to not lose the calm.

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Quote from: Luzin on July 26, 2022, 11:59:31 AM

The still ambiguous leveling, I don't know when he will reduce the bike in the race. With 8 bikes actually Ducati has a great chance of winning the constructors. But I also haven't figured out what the reason they will reduce the number of bikes in the race. It should be that 8 bikes are quite suitable and have been allowed by Dorna. In addition Suzuki has also resigned, meaning ducati has a fixed chance with 8 bikes and riders.

Broadly speaking this is true because Ducati can have the advantage of winning the constructors' championship every season. But if there is an independent team that is already a customer of Ducati preferring a motorcycle engine other than Ducati, then it will also make Ducati will experience a shortage of motorcycles in the MotoGP grid.
But Paolo Ciabatti doesn't mention about that now. Except just to mention about making it easier to manage everyone before the race starts because I see Ducati always leaving people in the independent team garage.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on July 25, 2022, 07:16:01 PM

The race was really horrible for Ferrari. Leclerc's unfortunate crash made him very frustrated. He was very angry for some time after the incident. These things exist in Formula 1 I'm afraid as everything can change by only one lap. However Ferrari were at fault as well. The reason is that they still can't give a proper-working car for Leclerc and Sainz both. After scary events in the Austria GP this time Leclerc was out of the race. Sainz also had a bad race because of a bad pit and unsafe release.

The problem is that team had the data from the rear tires which means that they could have pitted him earlier. When you are racing at the head and you are about to win and if you can't end up pitting at the right time and then you get a rear tire imbalance which sends you off to the wall, that's going to piss you off a lot.

I know it looks like a normal crash that happens a million times, but it was about the team again which is a problem for him. Dude is aware that as long as the team keeps making on these mistakes, even if you give him the best car then he is going to end up losing. He had the best car that day and he still lost, because team failed to read the data on his tires and didn't pit him earlier.

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Quote from: Davian144 on July 26, 2022, 06:22:34 AM

Paolo Ciabatti of Ducati revealed that they would not have 8 Ducati bikes forever in MotoGP and also said they would lose some young players. I think it's actually a very interesting thing because it can provide a good opportunity for other manufacturers' teams if the owners of independent teams start looking at several other manufacturers besides Ducati. As in the example of the RNF Racing team that moved from Yamaha to Aprilia next year.

Source: https://www.gpone.com/it/2022/07/25/motogp/ciabatti-non-avremo-8-ducati-in-motogp-per-sempre-perderemo-dei-giovani.html?refresh_ce

The still ambiguous leveling, I don't know when he will reduce the bike in the race. With 8 bikes actually Ducati has a great chance of winning the constructors. But I also haven't figured out what the reason they will reduce the number of bikes in the race. It should be that 8 bikes are quite suitable and have been allowed by Dorna. In addition Suzuki has also resigned, meaning ducati has a fixed chance with 8 bikes and riders.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 24, 2022, 02:27:50 PM

Quote from: swogerino on July 24, 2022, 11:54:17 AM

I agree with Ferrari this time,they did the best choice for Sainz,sure he would have been second as he would have passed also Hamilton with the pace he had but I am sure he would have had a puncture if he kept racing at that pace or if he would not get the pace the tire would degrade surely in the last 10 laps and everybody else would have surpassed him again.So Ferrari did for once the right call with Sainz,they even got the fastest lap of the race.

Leclerc made the mistake exactly where he needed the most not to do it,now Verstappen 62 points ahead and when Leclerc loses Verstappen extend the gap with minimum of 15-25 points,when Verstappen loses Leclerc closes the distance by just 6-12 points and this says a lot for the title fight.I agree that in 10 races is almost impossible to close the gap by 62 points unless bad things happen to Verstappen.

Ferrari may have the most performant car right now but Max is more solid at the moment.

Keep also in mind Max is already in his 8th year in F1, even if he is so young he is still experienced, the rookie Max was the more exciting driver but too reckless.

Another advantage in the second part of the season, Ferrari already got a penalty so they have some free parts for the cars, while if Redbull will need more they will take a penalty.

So you think the Ferraris will be faster and the cars more reliable in Hungary? At first glance, I think the books will over adjust and line Verstappen a lot wider than they used to giving some value for betting on Leclerc. But what do you think?

And I wonder what happened to the Haas. Just when I thought they're going to be regulars at the midtable, they have a bad race. Mick Schumacher near the bottom and Magnussen didn't finish. Lol. Fishy...

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Pilot error, stamina issues and poor strategy decisions resulted in Leclerc losing key points in five races. Leclerc is also in second place in the championship due to significant points losses. He started the race from pole at the Paul Ricard Circuit, Leclerc's second home. Leclerc had the pace to win this race. But a mistake on the eighteenth lap caused Leclerc to crash. Leclerc said the accident was caused by the accelerator pedal, but Ferrari denied it. He later admitted his accident. The Ferrari team had to overhaul the tires due to the increasing heat in this race. In order to relieve the load on the front tires, it made the rear more prone to slipping. For this reason, the rear side was more prone to wear. As a result, the accident was inevitable. I think they should think about it being Ferrari's fault here.

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Paolo Ciabatti of Ducati revealed that they would not have 8 Ducati bikes forever in MotoGP and also said they would lose some young players. I think it's actually a very interesting thing because it can provide a good opportunity for other manufacturers' teams if the owners of independent teams start looking at several other manufacturers besides Ducati. As in the example of the RNF Racing team that moved from Yamaha to Aprilia next year.

Source: https://www.gpone.com/it/2022/07/25/motogp/ciabatti-non-avremo-8-ducati-in-motogp-per-sempre-perderemo-dei-giovani.html?refresh_ce

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The race was really horrible for Ferrari. Leclerc's unfortunate crash made him very frustrated. He was very angry for some time after the incident. These things exist in Formula 1 I'm afraid as everything can change by only one lap. However Ferrari were at fault as well. The reason is that they still can't give a proper-working car for Leclerc and Sainz both. After scary events in the Austria GP this time Leclerc was out of the race. Sainz also had a bad race because of a bad pit and unsafe release.

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Max is definitely the champion after this race, there wasn't a doubt in my mind but there were some in some people, but everyone should agree after such a day. In the end we are talking about Ferrari as a competition and we all know Ferrari is a shitty team these days. They have been like this for a long time.

Charles didn't crash because of any team mistakes I think, but at the end of the day he is still not at fault neither, it is just racing and sometimes this happens. So, we could end up focusing on the next races. Red Bull and Max will be the winners, but just because we know the winner doesn't mean we can't watch the season. Lewis won so many and with ease, but we still watched right?

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The Italians, yes, may have created a world brand in vehicle construction and aesthetics, but a team that brings such a big brand down in human management and team management does not really suit. If you're racing with a Ferrari car, you can't make people ask 'oh boy.. what will happen this time', it's very clear!! When the driver is good, the car is bad. When the car is good, the driver is bad. But the worst part comes from the team captain. They say to lecrec, who makes 20 laps, take more laps and open the distance. He tells Sainz, who has done 20 laps, to pit quickly.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on July 25, 2022, 03:58:56 AM

After the good teamwork in qualifying that brought Leclerc pole position, he not only shits away the race but probably also the world championship due to a stupid mistake. 63 points are now a lot and Leclerc could even be overtaken by Perez.

I completely agree that Leclerc cannot hold pressure very well as we have seen that in Imola and at yesterday race in France.Most likely it was a costly mistake but Ferrari looked yesterday like the most performing car compared to Redbull and Mercedes so there is still some little hope left.

As for Perez he was sleeping yesterday during the whole race,he was not with his mind and not at all concentrated in the race,he was even passed like a complete noob/rookie from George Russell.By such performance I wonder why he should continue to have a place at Redbull.

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