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Quote from: tokeweed on September 16, 2022, 02:18:17 PM

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And btw... Verstappen is lined at 1.40 to win the next race. Lmao. The books are catching on. Cheesy

This is the current situation for Verstappen and Leclerc.

Verstappen has a really low odd indeed after starting to win like in every race. I would rather bet on Leclerc and try my lucky with a 5.00 odd. Grin

Hamilton's insane lap in Singapore GP qualifying session is like everywhere and it is really hard not to admire. I wonder if we will see even a better work by Verstappen with this very quick car. It's obvious that this GP is another easy one for Verstappen unless he has some problems with the car. It's too hard for Leclerc to keep up with him with his current car. But maybe he might have an opportunity somehow to benefit from this time. This would increase the competition level a little also as things have been really boring lately.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 15, 2022, 04:47:29 PM

It can be the final test for him, we already got rumors in the recent past about possible retirement.

It he have pain after this long break he can retire and end his carrier in Moto sprint.

Yesterday I watched FP1 as well as FP2. And it was very visible after the FP2 session was over, Marc Marquez was caught by the camera while holding his shoulder when he wanted to start practice. Saturday FP3 and FP4 and qualifying will start for all the riders who will compete on Sunday, let's see how Marc Marquez is after that, whether he will get a good position or just complete the top ten for the starting position.

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I don't remember the odds being so low to win a race like Verstappen has with 1.40
It seems to be the man to beat, but his winning streak will also come to an end. It also doesn't always have to be his own fault if he crashes or falls out. 1.40 seems very low to me, maybe you can bet on that Verstappen will not win the race. Lots of crazy things can happen. Meanwhile, Hamilton also has to wonder whether he still feels like continuing to race at Mercedes in this way.

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Good start for Marques, already in the top 10.

The next practice will start within the next hour. Very good news for him if he can end with no pain.

He was relatively close to the top, only 4/10 slower.

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^ But isn't De Vries really a Mercedes reserve driver who's allowed to work with other teams and where his services are wanted? I'm not sure how drivers and teams work that out in F1. If there are signed contracts behind these or do they have clauses behind them or if it's just an agreement between teams but the drivers are free to take a better gig if it's available. Maybe coinlocket$ could enlighten us.

But yeah, the Williams team has recently given us a preview for another driver who could possibly racing for podiums one day.

And btw... Verstappen is lined at 1.40 to win the next race. Lmao. The books are catching on. Cheesy

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Quote from: tokeweed on September 15, 2022, 03:35:17 PM

For the Williams I think Nyck De Vries did pretty well for his first drive in a real F1 race. I'm not sure if it's just because of the track or something but he scored a point for the team and he showed something promising out there. And here's the kicker... He's also from the Netherlands. Dunno what it is but it's prolly in the water or something. Cheesy

Verstappen haters would def hate him too. Lol.

So yeah, I hope he gets his drive at some F1 team next season. And if he does well, he could replace Hamilton when he retires. Now Toto Wolff has his own flying Dutchman. Cheesy

Williams are doing the right thing by getting rid of Latifi as soon as possible. Grin

He is really the worst driver on the grid at the moment. I don't have any idea about how much he's cost to the team so far after all those accidents. He doesn't deserve to be a part of F1 but money talks of course.

Anyway, Nyck De Vries should be taken into account indeed. He is a talented driver who can do a pretty good job in F1 and his performance in Monza GP was like a sneak peek for this. However he is a part of Alpine's test at the same time as they are targeting to determine their new driver. I assume that De Vries would be more eager to drive a faster car next season. But his responsibilities will be bigger at the same time which he should already be aware of.

The source: https://racingnews365.com/alpine-to-test-four-contenders-for-2023-drive-ahead-of-singapore-grand-prix

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Quote from: Republikcoin.com on September 15, 2022, 09:14:36 AM

Marc Marquez will be racing again in MotoGP this week in Aragon where he had a fierce fight with Pecco Bagnaia last season despite not winning, but it looks like a really great fight because if only Marc Marquez didn't make a mistake, maybe he can fight for win to the finish line. But for this year I still have doubts about the Marc Marquez fight in Aragon because he has just returned after the official test at Misano and two days ago he had the green light to return to the race track in the AragonGP series.
https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2022/09/13/marc-marquez-emulates-sporting-greats-with-motogp-comeback/364222

It can be the final test for him, we already got rumors in the recent past about possible retirement.

It he have pain after this long break he can retire and end his carrier in Moto sprint.

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There are still some rumours linking Vettel with Alpine for 2023 season. It would be lovely to watch him driving a faster car after struggling with Aston Martin most of the time. However I don't think that Vettel is thinking of changing his mind seriously about retiring at the end of the season. Besides I believe that he should be a part of a team that are fighting for the championship even if he continues in F1. Maybe he can't be the main driver of such team now but he would still do a good job as the second driver.

Mercedes were linked with him some time ago to fill Hamilton's place when Hamilton decides to quit F1. Maybe this could happen in the future even if Vettel retires. But they would need to make a big effort to convince him to return to this sport again. Grin

I wonder if they would make a good duo with Russell also.

Personally, I don't think Vettel will resign from the resign, why would he do that so quickly? At Williams I think after the excellent performance at Monza N. de Vries will get a cockpit, as N. de Vries was mainly at Mercedes I don't think he will come to Alpine or a non Mercedes team, but there is probably only one cockpit left at Williams. But some seats are still available for 2023, here is a small overview.

Red Bull: Max Verstappen, Sergio Perez
Ferrari: Charles Leclerc, Carlos Sainz
Mercedes: Lewis Hamilton, George Russell
McLaren: Lando Norris, Oscar Piastri
Aston Martin: Fernando Alonso, Lance Stroll
Alpine: Esteban Ocon, Huh

AlphaTauri: Pierre Gasly, Huh

Alfa Romeo: Valtteri Bottas, Huh

Williams: Alexander Albon, Huh

Haas: Kevin Magnussen, Huh

For the Williams I think Nyck De Vries did pretty well for his first drive in a real F1 race. I'm not sure if it's just because of the track or something but he scored a point for the team and he showed something promising out there. And here's the kicker... He's also from the Netherlands. Dunno what it is but it's prolly in the water or something. Cheesy

Verstappen haters would def hate him too. Lol.

So yeah, I hope he gets his drive at some F1 team next season. And if he does well, he could replace Hamilton when he retires. Now Toto Wolff has his own flying Dutchman. Cheesy

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Quote from: BitcoinAccepted on September 14, 2022, 03:28:36 PM

Max Verstappen is in fact already champion. Even in theory it couldn't go wrong, unless he crashed and couldn't drive for the rest of the season. Something to think about for next season. Do we want another season just like this? It all started nice and nice when Leclerc won a few races in the beginning, but after that it was over. I don't think it's because of Leclerc, but that Ferrari's car wasn't good enough. If Leclerc had driven the RedBull it would have been a lot more fun. This is a memorable season in particular for Hamilton, he has not yet won a grand prix and he has not even been allowed to dream about the world title.

None of us would like to watch a season that ends very early of course. We all have favourite drivers in this sport but honestly I don't want to see any pure dominance by my favourite one. I just love to watch a high competition until the end of a season. This makes F1 more interesting and attracting for even people who had no relation to this sport before.

For example, I also enjoyed the previous season very much because Hamilton didn't let Verstappen get a very comfortable championship. The champion was determined after the last race which was the kind of competition we missed so much. There won't be such thing happening this season maybe but I hope next season will be different. Because Mercedes are improving already now and their main focus is to be the champion next season. Ferrari will hopefully be back with a better crew or they will solve their issues to prevent silly mistakes. Therefore we might be likely to watch a wonderful competition among even more than two drivers for the championship.

It would be enough for me not to see a single driver dominating that season though.

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Teams deciding on the next season already is a good decision and probably the updates they have this year were all decided long time ago, which is why I am not shocked to learn that they are going to end up working on the next years car.

It's normal because we are seeing these clubs seeing the difference RBR has and that means we are going to see Max win and RBR win at the end of the season and clubs know about it and racers known about it and it's much more important to focus on the next years car going into half way into the season already. If they can make something work and have a better car then we are going to be see them much better and maybe a competition to Max next year, because they can't be this year.

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Marc Marquez will be racing again in MotoGP this week in Aragon where he had a fierce fight with Pecco Bagnaia last season despite not winning, but it looks like a really great fight because if only Marc Marquez didn't make a mistake, maybe he can fight for win to the finish line. But for this year I still have doubts about the Marc Marquez fight in Aragon because he has just returned after the official test at Misano and two days ago he had the green light to return to the race track in the AragonGP series.
https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2022/09/13/marc-marquez-emulates-sporting-greats-with-motogp-comeback/364222

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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 14, 2022, 03:34:30 AM

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Right now both Hamilton and Russell are equivalent because compared to last time Russell got an upgrade to his car and Hamilton got somewhat of a downgrade to his car.
Thus, I believe that this year's races are going to be quite intense as Mercedes has been the best amongst the lot for a long time, so it was quite hard for others to compete with Hamilton's speed due to the fact that he had the fastest car in the field in the past. However, right now as he got some out of a down way to his car the playing field is going to be level.

I just think Mercedes has pretty much finished with this season (Wolf once said that this year's car is not going into the museum but into the basement) and i think they now trying different things on this year's car for the development of next year's car, so there is a lot of different testing on both cars. It is also quite certain that Mercedes will finish 3rd in the Constructors' World Championship this year, so they can already work at full speed on next year's car.

I think this could be a viable option for both of them because I think that it's OK to test out different things so that they can make the right changes in the long run. As both companies are trying out different things I think they should be let to do as they wish. Moreover, you are also correct that Mercedes will finish third and as it's quite obvious for them I think them trying out new things is the best they can do right now.

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RBR already said that the next update on the car it will be the last one of the season and it will be done in Singapore.

Not a big surprise, they already have the best car and a huge advantage, there is no point to spend much money.

Yes, you are right RBR had the best car by a far shot, and it doesn't make sense if they spent on their car. I think their car is quite balanced and I believe that as long as something works it should not be changed because spending extra right now would be a waste of money for them in my opinion. let's see what the future holds for them.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 14, 2022, 03:53:51 PM

RBR already said that the next update on the car it will be the last one of the season and it will be done in Singapore.

Not a big surprise, they already have the best car and a huge advantage, there is no point to spend much money.

I think that even if they do not do any upgrades they have still the best car,we saw that in the last race at Monza where Redbull was faster than Ferrari even with used medium tires so yes there is no point in spending more money for the development of the actual car.Most probably they are already working on next year car as I think compared to other teams they are behind because other teams like McLaren have started really early the development of the next year car and I believe also Mercedes to have done so,so in this aspect Redbull needs to catch up.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 14, 2022, 07:29:56 AM

Personally, I don't think Vettel will resign from the resign, why would he do that so quickly? At Williams I think after the excellent performance at Monza N. de Vries will get a cockpit, as N. de Vries was mainly at Mercedes I don't think he will come to Alpine or a non Mercedes team, but there is probably only one cockpit left at Williams. But some seats are still available for 2023, here is a small overview.

Mick should find himself a place one way or another. I know that he hasn't been good on his first year, and that constant being last is a big deal, but he never really got a car that was half decent and that was his problem. Ferrari may not give him a chance, but removing him from Haas means that dude probably won't be in F1 and getting back into it is very tough, so he should be getting a place.

If Ferrari gave up on him, then he could move to Williams to race with Albon and I am sure he will be great there. Haas also hired back Giovanazzi, the Italian Jesus back. Which contradicts my point of coming back but dude didn't deserve it and this rarely happens for sure.

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RBR already said that the next update on the car it will be the last one of the season and it will be done in Singapore.

Not a big surprise, they already have the best car and a huge advantage, there is no point to spend much money.

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There are only six races left in this season of F1.

Maybe Verstappen still hasn't guaranteed his championship mathematically but it would most probably happen after a few races the most. Because he is definitely unstoppable now as he has no competitor who can make difficulties for him in any race. Unless he has any issues with his car he should be able to win the remaining races as well. Ferrari's main focus should be not making any mistake on the remaining days. If they solve this problem maybe Binotto might not make much change in his crew. Otherwise Ferrari will need a big change to be competitive for the championship next season for real. As Mercedes will also be in a title rivalry most probably Ferrari will need to work even harder than now. Red Bull are already consistent so I don't have any doubt about them for next season as well.

Yup, the momentum is on Verstappen's side, he has one of the best technical teams in all of F1 and has one of the best strategic teams. It's close between Red Bull and Mercedes in terms if who has the best team.

And I think the journalists like to use 'mathematically' just to keep everybody interested. Wink

But the truth is it has gotten boring now. This season now is sooo far from what last season was like.

Last season was at least interesting man. Because the story of that season was incredible even though the ending wasn't fair for Hamilton. Verstappen led the season for a really long time but Hamilton caught up with him in the standings day by day. They even entered the final race on equal points which was incredibly exciting.

Now we just watch Verstappen dominate the whole season and there is nobody to stop him before the end of the season. Of course Leclerc still keeps his mathematical chance for the championship but let's just be realistic, shall we? Grin

There is no way this is happening while he has a slower car compared to Verstappen's.

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Max Verstappen is in fact already champion. Even in theory it couldn't go wrong, unless he crashed and couldn't drive for the rest of the season. Something to think about for next season. Do we want another season just like this? It all started nice and nice when Leclerc won a few races in the beginning, but after that it was over. I don't think it's because of Leclerc, but that Ferrari's car wasn't good enough. If Leclerc had driven the RedBull it would have been a lot more fun. This is a memorable season in particular for Hamilton, he has not yet won a grand prix and he has not even been allowed to dream about the world title.

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Mercedes were linked with him some time ago to fill Hamilton's place when Hamilton decides to quit F1. Maybe this could happen in the future even if Vettel retires. But they would need to make a big effort to convince him to return to this sport again. Grin

I wonder if they would make a good duo with Russell also.

We have seen from Schumacher that retired at first but was convinced by them to come and race for Mercedes because they promised him to build the car together and he did build a great car that won many Championships after he lost his "life" and for Vettel can be easier to bring him back even if he retires if they give him a winning car.

I believe any driver at whatever age would be happy to jump in and drive such car which would revive the best memories of F1 for Vettel and I think he can't say no to such offer.

If he has two sides now and one of those sides wants to stay in F1 then maybe he could surprise all of us by signing for Alpine. He can still race for a few more years normally but it is up to him after being 35 years old. Raikkonen raced even after being 40 and Hamilton also might reach nearly that age before quitting F1.

By the way I have seen a new update that Vettel won't be a part of this test by Alpine. But if there are really some ongoing talks between Alpine and Vettel it feels really exciting. Grin

It is always good to continue to watch one of the most valuable drivers in F1 even if he doesn't have a too competitive car.

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Quote from: Distraction on September 14, 2022, 05:23:15 AM

Mercedes were linked with him some time ago to fill Hamilton's place when Hamilton decides to quit F1. Maybe this could happen in the future even if Vettel retires. But they would need to make a big effort to convince him to return to this sport again. Grin

I wonder if they would make a good duo with Russell also.

We have seen from Schumacher that retired at first but was convinced by them to come and race for Mercedes because they promised him to build the car together and he did build a great car that won many Championships after he lost his "life" and for Vettel can be easier to bring him back even if he retires if they give him a winning car.

I believe any driver at whatever age would be happy to jump in and drive such car which would revive the best memories of F1 for Vettel and I think he can't say no to such offer.

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Quote from: Distraction on September 14, 2022, 05:23:15 AM

There are still some rumours linking Vettel with Alpine for 2023 season. It would be lovely to watch him driving a faster car after struggling with Aston Martin most of the time. However I don't think that Vettel is thinking of changing his mind seriously about retiring at the end of the season. Besides I believe that he should be a part of a team that are fighting for the championship even if he continues in F1. Maybe he can't be the main driver of such team now but he would still do a good job as the second driver.

Mercedes were linked with him some time ago to fill Hamilton's place when Hamilton decides to quit F1. Maybe this could happen in the future even if Vettel retires. But they would need to make a big effort to convince him to return to this sport again. Grin

I wonder if they would make a good duo with Russell also.

Personally, I don't think Vettel will resign from the resign, why would he do that so quickly? At Williams I think after the excellent performance at Monza N. de Vries will get a cockpit, as N. de Vries was mainly at Mercedes I don't think he will come to Alpine or a non Mercedes team, but there is probably only one cockpit left at Williams. But some seats are still available for 2023, here is a small overview.

Red Bull: Max Verstappen, Sergio Perez
Ferrari: Charles Leclerc, Carlos Sainz
Mercedes: Lewis Hamilton, George Russell
McLaren: Lando Norris, Oscar Piastri
Aston Martin: Fernando Alonso, Lance Stroll
Alpine: Esteban Ocon, Huh

AlphaTauri: Pierre Gasly, Huh

Alfa Romeo: Valtteri Bottas, Huh

Williams: Alexander Albon, Huh

Haas: Kevin Magnussen, Huh

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