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Yamaha tested the bike with the new engine and chassis at the #MisanoTest last Tuesday. Both Fabio Quartararo and Franco Morbidelli agree that the new engine is better in acceleration and top speed. And so far Yamaha's top speed has really increased for the new engine that will be used next season. Good day for Yamaha!

Likewise, the Honda manufacturer has tested several important parts during the MisanoTest last Tuesday, including the new swingarm installed on the Honda RC213V.
And that was something that really caught the attention of a lot of people during the Misano test and Honda reportedly partnered with Moto2 chassis manufacturer Kalex on the swingarm, and they introduced their first collaboration with a full aluminum chassis. Honda is really working hard to catch up.

The design does not help unfortunately.They don't have time to put an upgrade to their car although I don't know if they have any planned for the car anymore for this year since they are well aware that their chances to win the F1 Championship are extremely slim if at all non existent.The only good thing about Monza race is that Verstappen so far has never won it and I hope the trends continue and we see a good race.I would love to see a Ferrari win and in this track anything is possible.The odd for Verstappen at 1.40 is to say the least deceiving as it won't be that easy for him to win.

It is worrying that Ferrari is lagging behind in race pace. They are in a competitive position in qualifying but not good enough in the race itself. As a result, things get very difficult for Ferrari. There are a few races left of the season and Ferrari has not been able to show its potential in consecutive races. The team needs to be regrouped as soon as possible. The Monza race is important for Ferrari. I think they will catch a good series with Monza. Ferrari is making some changes in the vehicle design at Monza. I like the new design.

I also liked the special design of the car for this GP. However I still can't adapt to the yellow racing suit for this race. 



This is a very special race weekend for Ferrari obviously. The season has been really problematic for them so far. They have had durability issues and it hasn't been the only issue. The crew have made so many simple mistakes so far. All of these combined have made the season a nightmare for Ferrari. The team would still aim to do their best to help one of their drivers win this race and Leclerc is prioritized for this of course. But to be honest, I think there is no chance for Leclerc to keep up with Verstappen in these conditions.

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Ferrari will use special colors for the home GP, remembering an anniversary.

I Like It.

I agree with Sainz odd being really high.He was almost winning a race in Italy a couple of years ago don't know if here or at Mugello but whatever the case it means that he will be extra motivated before the "Tifosi" during this race.I know Verstappen lately is on another planet and he wins races like a walk in the park but that will not always be the case as this track has been won by teams who were not the fastest if we recall last year McLaren victory.This is also a track where usually shit happens in the first turn and this mean a Safety car will most probably be present here to change things around.Ferrari need to profit from this and not to screw Sainz race up like they did in the Dutch GP last week.

From my aspect, these odds are really unfair. I have no problem with Verstappen's being shown as the clear favourite. Maybe Verstappen hasn't won any race on this track yet but we can't disregard the fact that he is much faster than all of the drivers on the grid these days. But Leclerc's odd is too high and I think that we have nothing to lose if we give it a chance by a small amount.  

Sainz's odd is too high and even it might be given a chance. Maybe things would go sideways for the biggest favourites and he would find another chance. I say another because if you remember he was in a big rivalry with Gasly for the win in the last race here in 2020 after very unexpected incidents. But if we don't see any problem then Verstappen would win the race again most probably.

Italian Grand Prix Race - Winner

Verstappen, Max - 1.37

Leclerc, Charles - 6.95

Hamilton, Lewis - 9.50

Russell, George - 11.10

Perez, Sergio - 12.60

Sainz Jr., Carlos - 24.40

This is the opinion of the bookmakers at the moment. Verstappen won 4 races in a row and already 10 out of 15, but it seems to me that the odds of 1.37 for him to win look like a mockery. I understand that in terms of probabilities the events are unrelated and "races have no memory" but it seems to me that the longer the winning streak, the more likely it is that the next race will be less successful. Leclerc's odds look tempting.

Redbull should be more favored here as this track is almost entirely a big straight with just a couple of narrow corners in total.I expect Mercedes to also shine here should they continue with their upgrade of the car which so far is netting them great result,they were in a fight for a win in the last race in the Dutch GP.Ferrari should also be fast enough here so it is difficult to predict how it will go but keep in mind that last time even a slow McLaren won and the other cars could not keep the pace with them so in this track there is no real favorite.

Ferrari in his home race.... can they re-claim a win in Monza?

I think they are not so far behind, in one race. Obviusly in the season they are off, but with a little bit of luck and no mistakes they can win, lets see how good its RB in this track. And take an eye of course in Mercedes.

Oh..  I thought Monza is a couple of weeks away.  Wow, I don't think we had three weeks straight of F1 for the last how many seasons or did we?  :/  Not that I'm complaining or anything.  Lol.

Now..  Ferrari should def not fuck up in this particular race or it's Binotto's head on a pike.  But in hindsight Binotto is a better engineer than he is calling the shots for the team.

Here's the schedule.

2022 F1 Italian GP Schedule

Track:  Autodromo Nazionale Monza

Practice 1:  Friday September 9, 2022, 2:00 PM - 3:00 PM
Practice 2:  Friday September 9, 2022, 5:00 PM - 6:00 PM
Practice 3:  Saturday September 10, 2022, 1:00 PM - 2:00 PM
Qualifying:  Saturday September 10, 2022, 4:00 PM - 5:00 PM
Race:  Sunday September 11, 2022, 3:00 PM - 5:00 PM

It's definitely going to be tighter for Fabio than last year, Bagnaia always seems to have better form towards the end of the season, it's definitely not going to be so easy for Fabio to just manage the lead this year, the Yamaha is just too weak for that. But it is still such a crash from the top 3 in the standings and probably the chance to win the world championship title is gone or much less. It could be very close this year, there are still 6 races with a maximum of 125 points.

The penultimate race in Sepang is probably a Ducati track again after the long Corona break. Aragon could be good for the Yamaha, it will be difficult for Bagnaia to get the 5th win in a row, but Aleix could be very strong there on the Aprilia.

Quartararo now has only 30 different points with Bagnaia, with this result will make him a bit fear his 1st position got defeated by Bagnaia when 1 or 2 next races are lost or didn't get a podium. In Aragon, he was always inconsistent, he finish 8th last year ago and 18th in 2020, maybe he didn't know much about the detailed track, or this is just a traditional Yamaha YZR M1, which rarely wins on Aragon since Jorge Lorenzo in 2014 and 2015.

This week we are going to Monza.

This time there is no sprint race here. This is one of the weakest races for Verstappen. I mean that he has no history with a win here. The last winner of this GP was Gasly if you remember his delightful rivalry with Sainz for the win. Before that there was another awesome rivalry among Leclerc, Hamilton and Bottas which resulted in a Leclerc win. This is the home GP for Ferrari also of course. Maybe it might be finally time for a Ferrari driver (especially Leclerc) to win here. Ferrari are still dealing with durability issues but this is a really important race for the team. This might be a race that we watch a great rivalry between Leclerc and Verstappen for the win.

How interesting it is that these races are following each other in the calendar.    It's a nice coincidence to see two important races for these two great drivers this often.

I was disappointed in how the race ended.  I mean sure I'm glad to see Verstappen win as I'm rooting for Red Bull but I felt like if only Hamilton switched to the softs too he would've had a fighting chance to win the race imho.  In the years prior I would have laughed hearing Hamilton complain on team radio but not this one.

Anyway just for completeness sake for the thread...  Here are the results.

2022 F1 Dutch GP Race Results

Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   72 Laps
2   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   + 4.071s
3   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   + 10.929s
4   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   + 13.016s
5   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   + 18.168s
6   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   + 18.754s
7   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   + 19.306s
8   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   + 20.916s
9   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   + 21.117s
10   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   + 22.459s
11   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   + 27.009s
12   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   + 30.390s
13   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   + 32.995s
14   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   + 36.007s
15   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   + 36.869s
16   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   + 37.320s
17   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   + 37.764s
18   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   + 1 Lap
    Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   DNF
        Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri

RedBull is the slightly better car at the moment, but it also depends on the track. But Ferrari has been making a lot of mistakes this season and the tyre thing was another typical mistake. You can't become world champion like that, even if they had the better car at the beginning of the season.

When Perez drove over the impact wrench, was that his mistake or was the wrench a bit far out?

Bagnaia has indeed found a good filing with his bike in the second half of the season and on the other hand Bagnaia also needs a win at home to be able to catch up on points from Fabio Quartararo at this time.

Fabio Quartararo will definitely find it a little difficult to maintain himself at the top of the standings because every time he races he always gives 100% of his ability to get points and keep his distance from his competitors in the standings. The next race Fabio Quartararo will also experience difficulties in Aragon because the circuit in Aragon was still not friendly enough with a Fabio Quartararo until last year and hopefully there will be a little difference this year for him.

I think this is because Charles has been longer than Carlos with Ferrari,for me Carlos is a very good driver and personally I think it has much greater potential than Leclerc,give him a bit of time and a winning car and I am sure he can fight for the title.Having said that the upcoming track at Monza is a completely straight track where most of the lap is run with near 85% full throttle here so it will be an interesting one,not that much aerodynamics is needed here so it will be interesting to see the top speeds of the car,is this maybe the right time for a Mercedes win?

The driver makes the difference, is the same with Ferrari.

If you look at Charles, you see a Ferrari (almost after the FIA Change) competitive with RBR and Mercedes, if you look at Sainz you think they are behind them.

The weird thing is, Max looked faster than both Russell and Hamilton, so if I saw that then I would say that Red Bull is still faster than Red Bull, but both of them were faster than Perez as well, so that looked like Mercedes is better.

I am not 100% sure which car is faster, the difference between Max and Perez was huge this race and didn't look like it would make sense. In the end, one thing is for sure, Mercedes looked faster than Ferrari, but also Ferrari made a huge mistake with pit once again, so I am not sure if that was a case for it. In the end, three different constructors on the podium, this race wasn't really made for calculating who is better.