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Quote from: Koal-84 on February 24, 2022, 08:27:07 AM

The first analysis of the speed of the current Formula 1 cars in contrast to the previous ones is not as bad as expected, the cars are heavier this year and have less downforce but are currently "only" 2 to 3 seconds slower. Also the new cars seem to be very reliable, there were no big problems with the TOP teams, the season will definitely be exciting.

Article in German:

https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel-1/news/analyse-die-ersten-hinweise-auf-den-speed-der-formel-1-autos-2022-22022405

I already read in some articles that experts are expecting the new cars to be only 1,5 to 2 seconds slower than last years cars depending on the track. Of course there are heavier and have less downforce but i think the new and way bigger tires just offer way more grip than the old ones did and they are better looking of course. As far as i know there have not been any changes to the engines and to the gearboxes of the cars in comparison to the last season, which makes sense because the huge changes to the aerodynamics are already enough, therefore i think that the cars should at least be as reliable as they were last season.

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The first analysis of the speed of the current Formula 1 cars in contrast to the previous ones is not as bad as expected, the cars are heavier this year and have less downforce but are currently "only" 2 to 3 seconds slower. Also the new cars seem to be very reliable, there were no big problems with the TOP teams, the season will definitely be exciting.

Article in German:

https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel-1/news/analyse-die-ersten-hinweise-auf-den-speed-der-formel-1-autos-2022-22022405

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Valentino Rossi's team has officially launched its Livery today to compete this season. In your opinion, which one is better between last year's Livery and the current Livery ?
And one more thing whether for this season the Mooney VR46 Racing 2022 team can improve this year because I see there are two young drivers there and one of them is the Rookie for this season in MotoGP.

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Quote from: toast on February 23, 2022, 06:23:09 PM

It is between Verstappen and Hamilton

I'm not sure we can say that yet. We don't have any real idea of which car is best. The Red Bull looks interesting, but the Ferrari does, too. At the moment all we can do is speculate, the testing doesn't reveal much other than whether the cars have reliability issues. I think we're all desperately trying to look for evidence of which cars are good and which are not, but with the new regs and no real racing done yet, it's just impossible to tell. We expect Merc and Red Bull to be amongst the best teams, but that's not a certainty.

We've had a few images of some of the cars... but here they are all together.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/formula1/60499667

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Quote from: bounceback on February 24, 2022, 02:11:10 AM

Considering the Losail Qatar circuit last year was dominated by the Ducati team, it makes me also believe that Bagnaia will win the series opener this season because if we look at the last few times Bagnaia has developed much better and the factory Ducati team has also made some improvements to the bike this season, so it is very possible for Bagnaia to be able to reach the first position if he is able to do the race perfectly.

What you say may be true too, but if you look at its history for the past seven years, the Yamaha factory is still very dominant in Losail Qatar in terms of wins with a large number of 9 wins even 10 if you count the Doha Qatar race last year too. While Ducati has only 5 wins there and Honda 3 wins, and I have very accurate evidence for you to look at at this time so that you don't get wrong in giving predictions for this year.

Since it was first held in 2004, Yamaha has become the team that has conquered the Losail Circuit the most. Here is the list of winners.
2022 Huh

2021 Maverick Viñales Yamaha

2020 didn't open in the Qatar series

2019 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati

2018 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati

2017 Maverick Viñales Yamaha

2016 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha

2015 Valentino Rossi Yamaha

2014 Marc Márquez Honda

2013 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha

2012 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha

2011 Casey Stoner Honda

2010 Valentino Rossi Yamaha

2009 Casey Stoner Ducati

2008 Casey Stoner Ducati

2007 Casey Stoner Ducati

2006 Valentino Rossi Yamaha

2005 Valentino Rossi Yamaha

2004 Gibernau Sete Honda

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Quote from: Koal-84 on February 23, 2022, 07:27:33 AM

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As we approach the first round of the season, here is the last six winners of the season opener 🏁🏆🍾
Yamaha & Ducati have dominated 👀
^{Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/CaPiyjnMqYI/}

So this year, which manufacturer will have more potential to win the opening race in Qatar ?
Personally, I prefer Ducati through Pecco Bagnaia, and even then if he doesn't make mistakes himself, because there are many strong riders this season who will compete in very fit conditions.

I think the first race will be won by Bagnaia, maybe Marc Marquez if he is 100% fit. Fabio could also finish on the podium but I think the Yamaha is too weak to win, but we will know more on 6 March.

Considering the Losail Qatar circuit last year was dominated by the Ducati team, it makes me also believe that Bagnaia will win the series opener this season because if we look at the last few times during the 2021 season Bagnaia has developed much better and the team from Factory Ducati has also made some improvements with his bike this season, so it is very possible for Bagnaia to be able to reach first position if he is able to do the race perfectly.

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Quote from: Luzin on February 23, 2022, 10:50:22 AM

If I'm not mistaken, the first series will take place in Losail. If you look at last season of course Quartararo is the defending champion, but for the speed of Bagnaia is the champion. Actually if I look at the character of this circuit, it seems very suitable for Yamaha. This circuit is not much of a straight track. But if you look at some tests the difference between yamaha and Ducati bikes is almost more than 5km /h it makes me doubt. Maybe tomorrow there will be another surprise but maybe Ducati will be the favorite of this opening series champion.

I also think so, but last year the speed of Yamaha with Ducati was also around 5km per hour but in the two Races there that were held last year, both were won by Yamaha where Maverick Vinales won the race at Losail Qatar and the second was Fabio Quartararo who won the Doha Qatar race at the same circuit last year.
If we look at the overall Yamaha won the most races there because in 2015 Valentino Rossi also won the race there which was also from the Yamaha factory.

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Test day went smoothly for Verstappen. But I think Lewis is very hungry for this world title, because he had lost the title very arguably last year. It is between Verstappen and Hamilton, but Mercedes seems to have a good second driver and that could be important. The 2nd driver of Red Bull seems to me less than that of Mercedes, that could be the difference in the end. Last season it was also very close.

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So sad not to have timing from the test the only thing we know...

Ferrari and Redbull are ahead for laps done.

Source: https://twitter.com/Gianludale27/status/1496536592948809738

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Well i think you are right. But one thing od this new cars and rules i like and its very good its the lenght of the cars.
In the past season we have cars really very long, all the people knows even the circuits turns arent designed for that lenght.

So with only having small cars we can have more clashes into the turns, you can affort better the car to a overtaking or a defense in the turns. IF at this we sum the thing of better follow of the car in front WOW seems like we have a good season ahead

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Quote from: beerlover on February 22, 2022, 09:32:45 PM

Last season Mercedes had a horrible test series, and we all saw how they ended the season. We should not be making these type of predictions from just the look of the cars and even during the test period as well. These are just periods where these teams are finally testing these cars on the track, of course the machines they have back at their factory gives them a certain range of understanding how it will do.

However, without the human interaction and all the other stuff that will be unknown, they may be off a tiny bit and considering a "0.5 second slower car" then aston martin and ferrari deals need to put on hold and we need to wait and just see.

The difference between previous seasons and this season is that we are in a new era of F1 right now. The changes are done by the Liberty group that bought it. Which means that they are actually doing something that is a bit more about making this a bit more profitable.

F1 literally makes billions if you are doing it right, and Liberty media spent billions to get f1 and that means liberty needs to make things like this season at all times. The new drive to survive is coming up as well and that is going to get a lot more people as well. There is the new car type era where we are talking about something that is aimed to make the cars a lot closer to each other, not as much as indycar but still closer.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on February 23, 2022, 02:39:35 PM

The first pictures of the new real RedBull have now appeared at the test drives, after Ferrari RedBull has also chosen a new radical design for the sidepods, I am curious whether the two new designs will prevail and Ferrari and RedBull will have the fastest cars?
https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/racingnews-v2-prod/_975xAUTO_crop_center-center_none/RB18-FLOOR-HOLE-DET.jpg

https://racingnews365.com/the-first-secrets-of-red-bulls-2022-f1-car-revealed

It's very interesting to watch photos from testing day. Design of cars looks so much different. Just look at sidepods - all look different, but design of Red Bull is something radical. Front wings design and it's angles interesting too, for me Aston Martin front wing looks most interesting. And rear wing with open DRS - it's such massive.
Never been so interested in pre season testing like this year. Pity that in Barcelona there is no tv coverage and live timing.

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Quote from: tokeweed on February 23, 2022, 10:49:57 AM

And after seeing it all, the fastest, slickest, meanest looking car is none other than Red Bull imho. Adrian Newey might be on to something here under the new rules.

Yeah, the Red Bull does look good. I think the Ferrari looks good too, but I don't know how much of that is just because Ferraris always look good.

Quote from: tokeweed on February 23, 2022, 10:49:57 AM

I don’t think I’ve seen a season with all of the cars taking way different approaches with aero. Can’t wait to see all these cars race!

It has surprised me a bit just how different they are. Of course different teams were going to test the new regs in different ways... but I still expected a lot more similarity than what we're seeing.

One other thing to note - that camouflage livery on the Alfa Romeo isn't working too well, I can definitely still see the car. Cheesy

The first pictures of the new real RedBull have now appeared at the test drives, after Ferrari RedBull has also chosen a new radical design for the sidepods, I am curious whether the two new designs will prevail and Ferrari and RedBull will have the fastest cars?

https://racingnews365.com/the-first-secrets-of-red-bulls-2022-f1-car-revealed

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Quote from: tokeweed on February 23, 2022, 10:49:57 AM

And after seeing it all, the fastest, slickest, meanest looking car is none other than Red Bull imho. Adrian Newey might be on to something here under the new rules.

Yeah, the Red Bull does look good. I think the Ferrari looks good too, but I don't know how much of that is just because Ferraris always look good.

Quote from: tokeweed on February 23, 2022, 10:49:57 AM

I don’t think I’ve seen a season with all of the cars taking way different approaches with aero. Can’t wait to see all these cars race!

It has surprised me a bit just how different they are. Of course different teams were going to test the new regs in different ways... but I still expected a lot more similarity than what we're seeing.

One other thing to note - that camouflage livery on the Alfa Romeo isn't working too well, I can definitely still see the car. Cheesy

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Quote from: Koal-84 on February 23, 2022, 07:27:33 AM

I think the first race will be won by Bagnaia, maybe Marc Marquez if he is 100% fit. Fabio could also finish on the podium but I think the Yamaha is too weak to win, but we will know more on 6 March.

If I'm not mistaken, the first series will take place in Losail. If you look at last season of course Quartararo is the defending champion, but for the speed of Bagnaia is the champion. Actually if I look at the character of this circuit, it seems very suitable for Yamaha. This circuit is not much of a straight track. But if you look at some tests the difference between yamaha and Ducati bikes is almost more than 5km /h it makes me doubt. Maybe tomorrow there will be another surprise but maybe Ducati will be the favorite of this opening series champion.

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Quote from: aesma on February 22, 2022, 05:27:06 AM

About the looks of the F1 cars, keep in mind looks can be deceiving. For example last year the Alpine had that bulging thing behind the driver, it looked strange and for sure the car would be horrible, but it performed quite well.

Sometimes cars look great, slick aerodynamics, and are slow.

Oh Aston Martin still has a chance then. Cheesy

Of all the cars this year, coinlocket$ is right, the Aston Martin does look slow it will be slow in the track with the fat side pods. But we’ll see. I just want to see them improve from last season’s performance. Go Vetteeel!

And after seeing it all, the fastest, slickest, meanest looking car is none other than Red Bull imho. Adrian Newey might be on to something here under the new rules. I don’t think I’ve seen a season with all of the cars taking way different approaches with aero. Can’t wait to see all these cars race!

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Quote from: beerlover on February 22, 2022, 09:32:45 PM

Last season Mercedes had a horrible test series, and we all saw how they ended the season. We should not be making these type of predictions from just the look of the cars and even during the test period as well. These are just periods where these teams are finally testing these cars on the track, of course the machines they have back at their factory gives them a certain range of understanding how it will do.

However, without the human interaction and all the other stuff that will be unknown, they may be off a tiny bit and considering a "0.5 second slower car" then aston martin and ferrari deals need to put on hold and we need to wait and just see.

I don't think we'll be able to tell a huge amount from these tests, they are notorious for the amount of sand-bagging that goes on.
One thing that does come out of it though is evidence of a lack of reliability - if your car keeps breaking, you can't really hide that. But so far today there is no evidence that any car is particularly unreliable.

Nice to finally see the Red Bull, looks like they've made some unique design decisions, obviously yet to see if good or bad.

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Quote from: Davian144 on February 22, 2022, 04:34:24 AM

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Confirmed: Pecco Bagnaia will race for Ducati in 2023 and 2024. What are your thoughts on this signing ? 👇

Personally, I agree more with this because I remember that Pecco Bagnaia is already very compatible with the Ducati motorbike, especially the Desmosedici, although every year it always gets better updates as has been said by Johan Zarco where the Desmosedici Gp22 is easier to maneuver.

I think it's a very good deal between Ducati and Bagnaia, Bagnaia was clearly the rider with the best package at the end of last season, I think Ducati and Bagnaia can still win a lot of races and take one or two titles.

Quote from: Davian144 on February 22, 2022, 08:26:48 AM

As we approach the first round of the season, here is the last six winners of the season opener 🏁🏆🍾
Yamaha & Ducati have dominated 👀
^{Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/CaPiyjnMqYI/}

So this year, which manufacturer will have more potential to win the opening race in Qatar ?
Personally, I prefer Ducati through Pecco Bagnaia, and even then if he doesn't make mistakes himself, because there are many strong riders this season who will compete in very fit conditions.

I think the first race will be won by Bagnaia, maybe Marc Marquez if he is 100% fit. Fabio could also finish on the podium but I think the Yamaha is too weak to win, but we will know more on 6 March.

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Last season Mercedes had a horrible test series, and we all saw how they ended the season. We should not be making these type of predictions from just the look of the cars and even during the test period as well. These are just periods where these teams are finally testing these cars on the track, of course the machines they have back at their factory gives them a certain range of understanding how it will do.

However, without the human interaction and all the other stuff that will be unknown, they may be off a tiny bit and considering a "0.5 second slower car" then aston martin and ferrari deals need to put on hold and we need to wait and just see.

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As we approach the first round of the season, here is the last six winners of the season opener 🏁🏆🍾
Yamaha & Ducati have dominated 👀
^{Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/CaPiyjnMqYI/}

So this year, which manufacturer will have more potential to win the opening race in Qatar ?
Personally, I prefer Ducati through Pecco Bagnaia, and even then if he doesn't make mistakes himself, because there are many strong riders this season who will compete in very fit conditions.

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