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This morning times

1   RUSSELL                 1:19.233
2   VERSTAPPEN   1:19.756
3   VETTEL   1:19.824
4   LECLERC   1:19.831
5   LATIFI   1:20.699
6   NORRIS   1:20.827
7   ALONSO   1:21.242
8   ZHOU   1:21.939
9   GASLY   1:22.469
10   ALBON   1:22.652
11   MAZEPIN   1:26.229


Source: https://sport.sky.it/formula-1/2022/02/25/f1-test-barcellona-montmelo-2022-terza-giornata

For the afternoon they will use water and wet the track to test the new wet tires.

Seems unlikely. I'm a bit perplexed here, last year Verstappen was clearly the dirty driver, which was reflected in his numerous penalties. I mean, I've never ever seen him back out of any situation, he just goes for it no matter what, whether there's room or not, whether the other driver stays on the track or not. Hamilton's driving is more responsible, based probably on the fact that he is just a lot older. He knows when to back out and settle for second and 18 points, in a way that Verstappen doesn't. With Verstappen it's always 25 points or nothing. The weird thing is, the way he became champion in the end was because of Masi breaking the rules, not Max. But certainly with a more sensible attitude Max could have become champion before the final race, just by accepting second a few times rather than driving into people and crashing out.

I mean, take the aftermath of that final race as an example. Lewis congratulated Max. That must have taken a hell of an effort, but it's what he did. Now imagine it the other way around, Hamilton leading for most of the season, Max closing in over the last few races... final race he has the championship in the bag, then the officials f*ck it up and give the title to Lewis. Can you really imagine Max congratulating him? More likely Max would drive straight out of the course still in his F1 car and go on a mad rampage of destruction across the city.

Dorna Sports, as the commercial rights holder for MotoGP and WorldSBK, apparently insists that these two championships should be held in Mandalika, Lombok, Indonesia during the rainy season. This was conveyed by the representative of the Mandalika Grand Prix Association (MGPA), M Wahab S, during the virtual media visit session of ITDC-MGPA and EMTEK on Tuesday (22/2/2022).

Wahab stated that it was the Managing Director of Dorna Sports, Carlos Ezpeleta, who believed that MotoGP and WorldSBK in Indonesia should indeed be held during the rainy season. This was said by Ezpeleta after visiting to review Mandalika's readiness for the past few years.

"The Mandalika circuit has its own character because it is beautiful and beautiful. Why is WorldSBK held in November and MotoGP is held in March? Previously, Carlos Ezpeleta was invited by our operational director to fly by helicopter," said Wahab.

"He also realized that in October, November, until April, which is the rainy season, the view of this circuit is greener. While in the dry season, the area around the circuit is brown and yellow," continued Wahab, who is also an observer of Formula 1.

Wahab said that Ezpeleta, who is also the son of the CEO of Dorna Sports, Carmelo Ezpeleta, said the rainy season made the natural scenery around the Mandalika Circuit look more beautiful. This of course also makes the track pleasing to the eye on television.

"Carlos Ezpeleta himself insisted that the race in Mandalika should be held in the rainy season because the circuit became very beautiful. They must also be proud to hold a race on a very beautiful circuit," concluded Wahab.

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I would guess that it is not really that weird to expect it to be between them. In fact I would guess that because of what happened last year, I am expecting Hamilton to be even more angry and would be doing even more insane stuff and risky stuff (which he keeps doing all the time but people ignore and thinks he is a clean driver, he was just because he was clean ahead of everyone, as soon as someone got close to him dude became dirty) which will result with him either being champion again very easily, or we are going to see something that would be like a horrible season because he will get point deductions, seconds penalties, and other stuff.

Timers of the day for F1


LECLERC                 1:19.689           79
GASLY   1:19.918   147   
RICCIARDO   1:20.288   126   
RUSSELL   1:20.537   66   
SAINZ   1:20.546   71   
VETTEL   1:20.784   74   
PEREZ   1:21.430   78   
MAZEPIN   1:21.512   42   
ALBON   1:21.531   47   
ZHOU   1:21.885   71   
LATIFI   1:21.894   61   
STROLL   1:21.920   55   
SCHUMACHER          1:21.949   66   
OCON   1:22.164   125   
BOTTAS   1:22.288   21   
HAMILTON   1:22.562   40   

Source: https://sport.sky.it/formula-1/2022/02/24/f1-test-barcellona-montmelo-2022-seconda-giornata


 Ferrari again, today did the most laps done.

RBR got huge problems with Perez.

2-3 seconds slower than 2021 Pole, so far.

One weird thing that the teams seem to all be talking about, and which is a completely new thing for me, is "porpoising", where the cars bounce up and down on the track. Apparently it used to be a thing way back in the previous ground-force era, and it has caught the teams off-guard this time around, as it's not something that shows up in the testing, just on track. Might be interesting to see if it affects everyone to the same extent, and then how quickly those it does affect can rectify it.

I already read in some articles that experts are expecting the new cars to be only 1,5 to 2 seconds slower than last years cars depending on the track. Of course there are heavier and have less downforce but i think the new and way bigger tires just offer way more grip than the old ones did and they are better looking of course. As far as i know there have not been any changes to the engines and to the gearboxes of the cars in comparison to the last season, which makes sense because the huge changes to the aerodynamics are already enough, therefore i think that the cars should at least be as reliable as they were last season.

The first analysis of the speed of the current Formula 1 cars in contrast to the previous ones is not as bad as expected, the cars are heavier this year and have less downforce but are currently "only" 2 to 3 seconds slower. Also the new cars seem to be very reliable, there were no big problems with the TOP teams, the season will definitely be exciting.

Article in German:

https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel-1/news/analyse-die-ersten-hinweise-auf-den-speed-der-formel-1-autos-2022-22022405

Valentino Rossi's team has officially launched its Livery today to compete this season. In your opinion, which one is better between last year's Livery and the current Livery ?
And one more thing whether for this season the Mooney VR46 Racing 2022 team can improve this year because I see there are two young drivers there and one of them is the Rookie for this season in MotoGP.

I'm not sure we can say that yet. We don't have any real idea of which car is best. The Red Bull looks interesting, but the Ferrari does, too. At the moment all we can do is speculate, the testing doesn't reveal much other than whether the cars have reliability issues. I think we're all desperately trying to look for evidence of which cars are good and which are not, but with the new regs and no real racing done yet, it's just impossible to tell. We expect Merc and Red Bull to be amongst the best teams, but that's not a certainty.

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We've had a few images of some of the cars... but here they are all together.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/formula1/60499667

What you say may be true too, but if you look at its history for the past seven years, the Yamaha factory is still very dominant in Losail Qatar in terms of wins with a large number of 9 wins even 10 if you count the Doha Qatar race last year too. While Ducati has only 5 wins there and Honda 3 wins, and I have very accurate evidence for you to look at at this time so that you don't get wrong in giving predictions for this year.

Since it was first held in 2004, Yamaha has become the team that has conquered the Losail Circuit the most. Here is the list of winners.
2022

2021 Maverick Viñales Yamaha

2020 didn't open in the Qatar series

2019 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati

2018 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati

2017 Maverick Viñales Yamaha

2016 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha

2015 Valentino Rossi Yamaha

2014 Marc Márquez Honda

2013 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha

2012 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha

2011 Casey Stoner Honda

2010 Valentino Rossi Yamaha

2009 Casey Stoner Ducati

2008 Casey Stoner Ducati

2007 Casey Stoner Ducati

2006 Valentino Rossi Yamaha

2005 Valentino Rossi Yamaha

2004 Gibernau Sete Honda

^{Source: https://www.ligaolahraga.com/motogp/daftar-pemenang-motogp-qatar-sejak-2004-yamaha-paling-sering-menang}

Considering the Losail Qatar circuit last year was dominated by the Ducati team, it makes me also believe that Bagnaia will win the series opener this season because if we look at the last few times during the 2021 season Bagnaia has developed much better and the team from Factory Ducati has also made some improvements with his bike this season, so it is very possible for Bagnaia to be able to reach first position if he is able to do the race perfectly.

I also think so, but last year the speed of Yamaha with Ducati was also around 5km per hour but in the two Races there that were held last year, both were won by Yamaha where Maverick Vinales won the race at Losail Qatar and the second was Fabio Quartararo who won the Doha Qatar race at the same circuit last year.
If we look at the overall Yamaha won the most races there because in 2015 Valentino Rossi also won the race there which was also from the Yamaha factory.

Test day went smoothly for Verstappen. But I think Lewis is very hungry for this world title, because he had lost the title very arguably last year. It is between Verstappen and Hamilton, but Mercedes seems to have a good second driver and that could be important. The 2nd driver of Red Bull seems to me less than that of Mercedes, that could be the difference in the end. Last season it was also very close.

So sad not to have timing from the test the only thing we know...




Ferrari and Redbull are ahead for laps done.


Source: https://twitter.com/Gianludale27/status/1496536592948809738

Well i think you are right. But one thing od this new cars and rules i like and its very good its the lenght of the cars.
In the past season we have cars really very long, all the people knows even the circuits turns arent designed for that lenght.

So with only having small cars we can have more clashes into the turns, you can affort better the car to a overtaking or a defense in the turns. IF at this we sum the thing of better follow of the car in front WOW seems like we have a good season ahead

The difference between previous seasons and this season is that we are in a new era of F1 right now. The changes are done by the Liberty group that bought it. Which means that they are actually doing something that is a bit more about making this a bit more profitable.

F1 literally makes billions if you are doing it right, and Liberty media spent billions to get f1 and that means liberty needs to make things like this season at all times. The new drive to survive is coming up as well and that is going to get a lot more people as well. There is the new car type era where we are talking about something that is aimed to make the cars a lot closer to each other, not as much as indycar but still closer.

It's very interesting to watch photos from testing day. Design of cars looks so much different. Just look at sidepods - all look different, but design of Red Bull is something radical. Front wings design and it's angles interesting too, for me Aston Martin front wing looks most interesting. And rear wing with open DRS - it's such massive.
Never been so interested in pre season testing like this year. Pity that in Barcelona there is no tv coverage and live timing.

The first pictures of the new real RedBull have now appeared at the test drives, after Ferrari RedBull has also chosen a new radical design for the sidepods, I am curious whether the two new designs will prevail and Ferrari and RedBull will have the fastest cars?



https://racingnews365.com/the-first-secrets-of-red-bulls-2022-f1-car-revealed

Yeah, the Red Bull does look good. I think the Ferrari looks good too, but I don't know how much of that is just because Ferraris always look good.




It has surprised me a bit just how different they are. Of course different teams were going to test the new regs in different ways... but I still expected a lot more similarity than what we're seeing.

One other thing to note - that camouflage livery on the Alfa Romeo isn't working too well, I can definitely still see the car.