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We have left the first testing week of the new season behind. I watched a recap for these three days. And it is a big joy to watch Ferrari's car now. Its new design is fascinating to me. And its design is not the only thing that attracts my attention now. Its performance also seems to have improved a lot. Leclerc was the fastest driver on day 2. On day 3, Lewis Hamilton captured the fastest lap of the whole week though. But Ferrari's car is still seeming to be very promising. If they solve the remaining small problems before the season starts officially, Leclerc and Sainz both can have a great season.

It's not just in appearances, but also in the performance of these cars, as one of Nikolas Tombazis' wishes with the new F1 technical regulations is that this results in a smaller difference between competitors in the category in 2022.
I personally really want to see Ferrari more aggressive, and that it can shine on the podiums again.

You should be able to observe my statement which states that in Qatar there is a change of agenda without prioritizing health protocols, why are you still sticking with the covid 19 rules that were experienced 2 years ago, this has used a new rhythm or was normal before covid, this has a psychological influence on riders so  Riders have passion, this time it's an opportunity for the younger generation.

This year Marquez is already in a 100% fit condition so there is no more discussion about illness or injury because all of that has healed and for the problem of competition this year it will clearly look very fierce and very tight with many young, strong talented riders and many races. must be passed by all riders to make the consistency of each rider it must be really maintained. So there are no easy things that can be lived by all riders this year.

These riders have no doubts, from a few laps (3 days trial) I think they have good potential, and it's fierce.
I highlighted Charles Leclerc MON Scuderia although on day 3 he was more than 5th best but his action in the previous race was quite predictable.
maybe he is not the only driver who is too young but his talent and potential in my opinion is very impressive.
followed by several names behind it such as Vettel and Lewis Hamilton.
it's not that they are not good but in the last second anyone can take the best position and the gap they can take during the race, of course luck can't be separated from that

Fabio Quartararo asked the M1 to add more power so that it could balance the power of rivals, especially Ducati. Meanwhile, Yamaha from the time of @valeyellow46 M1 was known as the smoothest motorbike in and out of corners because its chassis was the most stable. If the M1 is added with power, surely there will be sacrifices. It may even cause new problems.

The savings are, choose a motor that is stable but lacks power or choose a motorbike with big power but has trouble cornering?
^{Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/CacViJ_JFF-/}

Please give your input, friends, because I personally prefer a motorbike that is smooth in and out of corners but the power is not much different from the rivals. Just that.

It looks like the drivers are used to that sort of thing now that they've all been doing it for two years with the renewal of the rules related to covid19.
And talking about predictions it will not be easy to say now because everything is still very open to happen, but everyone can see how the potential of the riders in the past with each very powerful bike.

According to Alonso, Ferrari and Mercedes are the 2 fastest car of the tests

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/f1-piloti/alonso-sorpreso-ferrari-sembra-la-piu-veloce-606321.html

Also the Redbull boss is "scared" about Ferrari and he is already talking about how low Ferrari was low on gas.


Can Ferrari really compete for the title?

I don't know, 3 seconds is not a lot when we are talking about testing speed. Plus Hamilton had 92 laps whereas Verstappen had 59, that big difference between them could be the lap difference as well. It is definitely going to be a new car that is slower than the last years car, but that will be for the time being because it is the first ever season with this type of car.

I guarantee you, by the team this season is over, they will be at least 1 to 2 seconds faster if not more on average in the league, and the best ones will get even faster. In a few seasons these numbers will look like a joke, they will see under 15's by the time this car gets to be changing (many seasons later).

^  Vettel looks pretty consistent in that new Aston Martin tho.  At least during testing.  He went 5th at day 1, 6th at day 2 and 5th again at day 3.  I’d say a huge improvement for his team from last year’s performance if they really get it going like that this coming season.  The Williams with Albon wasn’t doing bad too.  He was top 10 at day 2 and day 3.

My eye is on the Williams and on Aston Martin this season.  Let’s see how they do against the midtable teams of 2021.

Here are all the results from days 1 to 3.  

2022 F1 Preseason Testing Day 1

1   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m19.568s
2   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m20.165s   80
3   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m20.416s   73
4   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m20.784s   77
5   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m20.929s   50
6   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m21.276s   52
7   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m21.638s   121
8   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m21.746s   127
9   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m22.246s   147
10   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m22.572s   23
11   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m22.760s   66
12   Mick Schumacher   GER   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m22.962s   24
13   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m23.327s   67
14   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m23.379s   66
15   Nikita Mazepin   RUS   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m24.505s   20
16   Robert Kubica   POL   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m25.909s   9

https://www.crash.net/f1/results/996819/1/2022-barcelona-f1-test-day-1-wednesday-lap-times-final

2022 F1 Preseason Testing Day 2

1   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m19.689s   79
2   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m19.918s   147
3   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m20.288s   126
4   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m20.537s   66
5   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m20.546s   71
6   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m20.784s   74
7   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m21.430s   78
8   Nikita Mazepin   RUS   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m21.512s   42
9   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m21.531s   47
10   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m21.885s   71
11   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m21.894s   61
12   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m21.920s   55
13   Mick Schumacher   GER   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m21.949s   66
14   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m22.164s   125
15   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m22.288s   21
16   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m22.562s   40

https://www.crash.net/f1/results/996875/1/2022-barcelona-f1-test-day-2-wednesday-lap-times-final

2022 F1 Preseason Testing Day 3

1   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m19.138s   94
2   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m19.233s   66
3   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   1m19.556s   74
4   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m19.756s   49
5   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m19.824s   48
6   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m19.831s   44
7   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m20.072s   92
8   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m20.318s   94
9   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m20.699s   13
10   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m20.790s   86
11   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m20.827s   52
12   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m21.242s   12
13   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m21.939s   41
14   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m22.469s   40
15   Nikita Mazepin   RUS   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m26.229s   9
16   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m30.433s   10
17   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   No Time Set   0
18   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   No Time Set   0
19   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   No Time Set   0
20   Mick Schumacher   GER   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   No Time Set

https://www.crash.net/f1/results/996921/1/2022-barcelona-f1-test-day-3-friday-lap-times-final

Apologies, then. I inferred it because if you are talking about someone being a dirty driver last season, then it's weird that you don't pick the obvious dirty driver (Max) to talk about, rather someone who was often on the receiving end of his antics. I'm not saying Hamilton is perfect, of course he isn't, but he's certainly a lot cleaner than most multiple F1 champions, Schumacher being the obvious example. And he's certainly a lot cleaner than Max. I'd assume anyone who looks at Hamilton vs Verstappen last season, and comes away with "Hamilton is a dirty driver" is a long way from impartial, and probably a Max fan (or just Hamilton hater). So apologies if that's not the case.



You're right, you didn't mention it. But the fact remains he is the dirtiest current driver out there by some considerable distance.



Alonso is probably my favourite, and I think his talent deserves way more titles than he has, and certainly more than Vettel (who I think is over-rated). I also like Lando, and think he is under-rated - TBH I think he's better than Russell, and I don't understand all the fuss about Russell being the next big thing. And yes Ricciardo is fun. I will also miss Kimi this season. As for Max, I think he is one of the top three for talent, along with Alonso and Hamilton... just don't like the arrogance and the "win at all costs and f*ck the rules" dirtiness.

George Russell said that Ferrari and McLaren have been seeming better than Mercedes in testing. But Mercedes are doing this all the time. They always say that they can have some trouble but it is always the opposite. And according to the last results in tests, Mercedes were at the top. And I really liked to watch Russell being so eager to be at the top too. But this is only the testing phase now and we will see the real efforts by the drivers as of the start of the new season. I would really like to see Russell competing very hard with Hamilton unlike Bottas.

It will be interesting when the mask requirements, distance rules and restrictions in hotel areas will also be removed, as well as eliminating the quarantine.  Motorcyclists feel more comfortable with concerns about covid19, this can affect the mentality of riders in competing, this can change the championship scheme that you predict, they may not get it ranked 1-3.

My text had nothing to do with Max. This is the problem with Hamilton fans, as soon as you call Hamilton a dirty racer, they go ahead and attack Max on a whataboutism. I never said I support Max nor said that Max is not a dirty racer.

My favorite racer is Lando and he can be a dickhead sometimes but certainly a lot less dirty than both of them. Sainz is also a great racer to watch for me as well, and ricciardo is also awesome personality as well, may not love him on his racing, but so much fun to watch that dude. And yet I never ever said Max was not dirty.

I could show you a million clips where Hamilton both raced dirty, but also places where he should have been given penalty and didn't, most notably the corner cutting on the very last race that ended up "he lost the time anyway" and caused Max to lose the first place until the last lap. However just even the fact that he almost killed Max (given penalty for that move, so F1 accepts Hamilton was wrong there officially) should be enough.

Marquez is known as one of the drivers who has a high mentality and confidence and that is of course the most important factor for a racer, but for the title race this season I think Marquez has to work harder while on the track even though his condition is not fully fit, because this season different from the previous season where he had to compete with young riders whose performances had developed well such as Quartararo, Bagnaia and Jorge Martin.

I also see it that way so that Bagnaia's potential on a Ducati is still very big this year and places him as a candidate for world champion for this season even though there are many races that all riders have to go through this season.

In general, Yamaha has won more races at the Qatar circuit even when Marquez was still very fit 100% in the past.
However, for this season I also see three riders who have the potential to win the opening race in Qatar later, including Bagnaia, Marquez and Fabio Quartararo although it is difficult to predict who will be in first position, but I am sure these three riders will fill the podium in Qatar.

I think it's natural, Marquez feels he has come back so he dares to say that. I'm sure every rider will also give a motive to himself. Although I'm sure it won't be easy because they have great competitors Ducati and KTM. Honda last season was bad enough, losing Marquez and other riders were unable to compete. With marquez's return of course it makes them confident although not easy.
What makes me a little doubtful is yamaha. They don't think much about the power of their motors. Whereas I think last season they looked already depressed because on the straight with ducati power they lost.

Marc Marquez says that he doesn't need perfect physical condition to win the world title this season.
Being in better condition, The Baby Alien admits that he is ready to compete at the highest level as in the years before his injury.

"After two difficult seasons where I had to experience the best and worst moments of this sport, when the wounds you have are starting to heal, but another injury is coming your way," Marquez said as reported by Motosan.

"I see myself as a candidate for champion. I have said openly that my goal this year is to fight for the title.

"I see myself as the favourite, as well as my team-mates, who have had a great pre-season test.

"Like now, before heading to Qatar, we were ready to fight for the championship. This is a prototype that works well, with its weak points and strong points, very different from what I'm used to with Honda. But I had to adjust quickly."

"I don't know if I'm at 100 per cent, but I don't think it is necessary to be at 100 per cent to fight for the world title," he said.

^{Source : Motorsport.com & https://www.instagram.com/p/CaZwgUKJUUM/}

How did everyone react to what Marquez said ?

1   HAMILTON             1:19.138       92   
2   RUSSELL   1:19.233   66   
3   PEREZ   1:19.556   74   
4   VERSTAPPEN   1:19.756   59   
5   VETTEL   1:19.824   48   
6   LECLERC   1:19.831   44   
7   SAINZ   1:20.072   92   
8   ALBON   1:20.318   94   
9   LATIFI   1:20.699   13   
10   RICCIARDO   1:20.790   86   
11   NORRIS   1:20.827   52   
12   ALONSO   1:21.242   12   
13   ZHOU   1:21.939   41   
14   GASLY   1:22.469   40   
15   MAZEPIN   1:26.229   9   
16   BOTTAS   1:30.433   10   


Source: https://sport.sky.it/formula-1/2022/02/25/f1-test-barcellona-montmelo-2022-terza-giornata


We are still 3 second slower from 2021.

They were rumored to be only 1 second slower so they will improve a lot.

Well, the top four drivers today were two Mercs and two Red Bulls. I know we can't read too much into pre-season testing, but this is kind of disappointing as I'd really hoped we'd see some others up there. I've seen people saying that McLaren and Ferrari look strong as well, but we will see if they can challenge. And the big question that we still don't really know the answer to - will the teams be more closely matched, and will they be able to race closer together?

An interesting few days, but somewhat disappointing to see the usual names at the top.