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Quote from: blue Snow on February 11, 2022, 01:16:36 AM

Of course, a big factor is rain and maybe this is the first time they are testing the circuit,

And after a full day of pre-season testing at the Mandalika circuit, some drivers have complained that the track is dirty and they have to stop early because this is very distracting during the test and there are fears that dirt might get into the important sensors so that this can cause problems very dangerous for all motorcycles of course.

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I'm also happy Marquez has participated for this time. that indicate he was recovering and break the rumors about retiring. Quartararo is still my favorite. If other racers don't change anything, that possible the Trophy is still with him this year.

I'm a little doubtful for Quartararo this season because last season he worked very hard for a trophy and this year it will probably be the same but because the number of races is more than last year, I'm starting to worry if Quartararo is able to defend his Trophy, even though it will be very extraordinary if he could afford to do it.

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Quote from: izsara on February 10, 2022, 02:40:43 PM

But until now they still maintain it and did not give a significant thing from their maneuvers. But indeed this is very natural for them because they are not confident in their drivers who are indeed good enough.
2021 Bagnaia was runner-up and Miller was ranked fourth, of course this is a positive note for them to go through this season because indeed the possibility will be even greater now.

The ability of the Ducati motorbike is basically unquestionable because in general the Ducati has benefited from a lot of power in their machines and has also benefited from the many teams that use their machines so that Ducati can win the constructors' championship last season and maybe this season too. but for a world champion a rider, this requires special use of the rider because if the rider can't take advantage of the advantages of his motorbike and cover the shortcomings of his motorbike, it will always be difficult to become world champion this season even though it has been seen that Bagnaia has the potential to become world champion. this season.

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I do not know why Aston Martin picked the "expected to be slower" car, they are already not doing that well, they need to get better and picking this didn't really made any sense to me to be fair. In any case we are talking about Aston Martin here, they must know something or they are going to get humiliated and we are going to see it clearly.

Using a real car or using a test car doesn't really matter when the car itself is not really that different from the test itself, we are going to only see the fake versions of this not because teams are not showing real cars but because when it comes to real racing, after first week or so we are going to actually see how teams will readjust, all the others are just for the show and testing and not really the best these cars can reach. RBR will have something that "looks like" the one they showed anyway.

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Quote from: tokeweed on February 11, 2022, 08:59:53 AM

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At least Aston Martin used a real car and not a fake car like RBR did yesterday.

Let's see if big teams will use a real car or not.

Anyway, as predicted Aston Martin is using the "expected to be" slow configuration on their car.

Yup with the quotes. The thing is no one really knows how these cars will perform. I mean like the comment about Aston Martin ‘expected to be slow’... Again how slow? Slower than last season? It’s really hard to say and we really can’t take anybody’s word for it. But if based on the design of the car from an aero perspective, it could be tailored for the driver. Like how Vettel drives, he tends to be ‘slow’ but he’s ‘fast’ at the corners which makes up for the parts of the track where he’s slow.

Again Slow, really? With a Mercedes engine and before having a Racing Point that was a copy of one of the Mercedes championship winners cars?
Come on man , what its happening in the Aston Martin team.
Maybe they are sandbagging in the words.
Anyways i think they are a midfield car no more than that.

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Quote from: tokeweed on February 11, 2022, 08:59:53 AM

Yup with the quotes. The thing is no one really knows how these cars will perform. I mean like the comment about Aston Martin ‘expected to be slow’... Again how slow? Slower than last season? It’s really hard to say and we really can’t take anybody’s word for it. But if based on the design of the car from an aero perspective, it could be tailored for the driver. Like how Vettel drives, he tends to be ‘slow’ but he’s ‘fast’ at the corners which makes up for the parts of the track where he’s slow.

According to Giorgio Piola who is very good at technical things, using configuration 1 of the car will give an advantage on getting quickly a good setup but using car configuration number 2 in long term will overperform setup 1.

I don't know how long "long" it is if it is hours, days, or months.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on February 10, 2022, 05:46:30 PM

At least Aston Martin used a real car and not a fake car like RBR did yesterday.

Let's see if big teams will use a real car or not.

Anyway, as predicted Aston Martin is using the "expected to be" slow configuration on their car.

Yup with the quotes. The thing is no one really knows how these cars will perform. I mean like the comment about Aston Martin ‘expected to be slow’... Again how slow? Slower than last season? It’s really hard to say and we really can’t take anybody’s word for it. But if based on the design of the car from an aero perspective, it could be tailored for the driver. Like how Vettel drives, he tends to be ‘slow’ but he’s ‘fast’ at the corners which makes up for the parts of the track where he’s slow.

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Quote from: Republikcoin.com on February 10, 2022, 09:39:20 PM

The condition of the Mandalika circuit one day before the pre-season test took place was raining and this morning all the drivers had done their test for the first day. But the results were really surprising because the time difference was a little further (the gap) between one racer and another, I think this is caused by what factors, guys ?

Of course, a big factor is rain and maybe this is the first time they are testing the circuit,

https://themandalikagp.com/event/moto-gp-2022

35 days left until the session

I'm also happy Marquez has participated for this time. that indicate he was recovering and break the rumors about retiring. Quartararo is still my favorite. If other racers don't change anything, that possible the Trophy is still with him this year.

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The condition of the Mandalika circuit one day before the pre-season test took place was raining and this morning all the drivers had done their test for the first day. But the results were really surprising because the time difference was a little further (the gap) between one racer and another, I think this is caused by what factors, guys ?

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on February 10, 2022, 05:46:30 PM

At least Aston Martin used a real car and not a fake car like RBR did yesterday.

Let's see if big teams will use a real car or not.

Anyway, as predicted Aston Martin is using the "expected to be" slow configuration on their car.

Yes man, when i see the video posted here (because i dont see so much F1 YT channels in the break) i really apreciated Aston Martin make a real one and no a 3D or Virtual car. I know this car its no the car when they race but its much pretty to see a real one.

In another thing.

And you really think no one can be dominant this season? Hopefully, but i think the only we can reach its:

FERRARI come back to fight against RB and the supreme Mercedes.
And most important to me to happen its cut the distance with the midfield. Because i really dislike when the top teams have so much distance and per example can make a free pitstop or pass in one lap when they pited the other cars.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on February 10, 2022, 01:39:07 PM

I'd still prefer that no single team dominates, but yes, if it does turn out that one is dominant then I'd also prefer it is a smaller team that has come from nowhere. Alpine would be nice, yes, it would be great to see Alonso challenging at the top again, where he belongs. It must be really frustrating for him seeing worse drivers in better cars finishing ahead of him race after race.

Well, unfortunately in today's F1 the technology of the cars counts for much more than the skills of the drivers.
Missing the times when Airton Sena gave a show of maneuvers on a circuit.
Currently, the car that accelerates the fastest wins, and I have no doubt that in a few years drivers will be taken out of a car claiming that "it's safer".

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Just a little patience and then we will start with F1 again. I'm really curious how things will go with Lewis Hamilton, has been off the radar for a while. It may be that he needed some rest, but I think he could have spoken better to his fans. It now seems to really go between Verstappen and Hamilton. It would be nice if the 2nd driver of Mercedes could perhaps get involved in the title fight.

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At least Aston Martin used a real car and not a fake car like RBR did yesterday.

Let's see if big teams will use a real car or not.

Anyway, as predicted Aston Martin is using the "expected to be" slow configuration on their car.

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Quote from: sana54210 on February 10, 2022, 03:43:01 PM

Is this true? Are we going to see something totally different? I assume that you mean like what is inside and that would be understandable, obviously they are going to change the inside, they are going to have everything perfect, and I assume that they will adjust the wings and so forth on few inches, but I also assumed that this would basically what it would look like.

Tiny small changes that we wouldn't even realize if we didn't look closely is acceptable, but like... colour would be same right? Like this is their colour this year? The logos and all would be in these places and all that? I do not know if the change would be too different if that's the case.

Yes, it's true. Yesterday I posted link to article where Horner said that there will be many changes made. You can read about it more here:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-bull-f1-rb18-show-car/8027907/
Things like color, logos, placement of sponsors won't change. From what I understood, only Aston Martin already revealed their real car:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-aston-martin-reveal-2022-car-with-revised-livery.34DZACb63lmdQdguSdl8YF.html

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on February 09, 2022, 04:30:50 PM

Keep in mind these are "fake cars".
They will only use a model car far away from what they will use during the tests and races.
The model is only here for the media, it is here with "fake" wings and without secrets.

The RedBull is the basic FIA F1 car used to presents the new cars with the Redbull logos applied.

Is this true? Are we going to see something totally different? I assume that you mean like what is inside and that would be understandable, obviously they are going to change the inside, they are going to have everything perfect, and I assume that they will adjust the wings and so forth on few inches, but I also assumed that this would basically what it would look like.

Tiny small changes that we wouldn't even realize if we didn't look closely is acceptable, but like... colour would be same right? Like this is their colour this year? The logos and all would be in these places and all that? I do not know if the change would be too different if that's the case.

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Quote from: imamusma on February 09, 2022, 06:17:12 PM

Quote from: izsara on February 09, 2022, 01:46:07 PM

Reflecting on 2021 even the Yamaha M1 is the slowest motorbike compared to the others, with an average speed of 325.35 km/h, far from what its competitors do.
But there is an interesting thing here, they will not be able to win if they compete in a straight line but they can be said to be one who is well balanced in maneuvers.
On the other hand, Ducati can still be quite good now but this lack of Ducati is inversely proportional to Yamaha, which indeed they rely more on speed but their maneuvers tend to be inferior to Yamaha or Suzuki.

From the first this has happened very often where Ducati only evolved to a speed on the straight track but did not consider the speed in the corners or their maneuvers so that Ducati riders must always be able to balance their bikes when entering corners and exiting corners.
But if you look at the last two years where Suzuki won the MotoGP championship in 2020 and was followed by Yamaha in 2021, then Ducati should have opened their eyes to this because just relying on speed on the straight track will not always be enough to become MotoGP world champion.

But until now they still maintain it and did not give a significant thing from their maneuvers. But indeed this is very natural for them because they are not confident in their drivers who are indeed good enough.
2021 Bagnaia was runner-up and Miller was ranked fourth, of course this is a positive note for them to go through this season because indeed the possibility will be even greater now.

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Quote from: tokeweed on February 09, 2022, 08:50:52 AM

^ I wouldn’t mind and I really think it’s great but only if it’s not one of the big teams like Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari and to a point, McLaren. The Alpha Tauri team could somewhat be considered a bigger team too with its connection to Red Bull.

Like I said a few weeks back, if there’s a team that could think out of the box, it’s Williams. They have a great team of that doesn’t have much experience in F1. So they’re prolly be thinking different than their counterparts. But then again judging from the constructors championship last year, Alpine could be another decent guess.

I'd still prefer that no single team dominates, but yes, if it does turn out that one is dominant then I'd also prefer it is a smaller team that has come from nowhere. Alpine would be nice, yes, it would be great to see Alonso challenging at the top again, where he belongs. It must be really frustrating for him seeing worse drivers in better cars finishing ahead of him race after race.

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Quote from: tokeweed on February 10, 2022, 10:02:29 AM

Quote from: coinlocket$ on February 09, 2022, 04:30:50 PM

Keep in mind these are "fake cars".
They will only use a model car far away from what they will use during the tests and races.
The model is only here for the media, it is here with "fake" wings and without secrets.

The RedBull is the basic FIA F1 car used to presents the new cars with the Redbull logos applied.

Yup, that’s why I think everything that’s ever written by the journos about which car is fast or which car is slow is all total bs. The thing is nobody knows how these cars are going to perform until testing and until at least the first 5 races. Like the comment about Aston Martin being the slow car... But it is expected that they’re one of the slower cars. Did they means slower that last year? That would be funny cos it would mean they would be as slow as the Haas cars. Cheesy

Anyway here’s the unveiling of Aston Martin’s car. Vettel has think hair now. Lmao!

Aston Martin Reveals AMR22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLfbm5ViYfs

MAN! Awesome side view in this car, really like this new AMR22, and i cant no say this. LOOK THE onde decade agio VETTEL VERSION.
HAHAHA man i cant belive how much younger made he the hair.
This announce new championships? Like hamilton when he put new hair in his head?
And i repeat i really really like the desing of this car.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on February 09, 2022, 04:30:50 PM

Keep in mind these are "fake cars".
They will only use a model car far away from what they will use during the tests and races.
The model is only here for the media, it is here with "fake" wings and without secrets.

The RedBull is the basic FIA F1 car used to presents the new cars with the Redbull logos applied.

Yup, that’s why I think everything that’s ever written by the journos about which car is fast or which car is slow is all total bs. The thing is nobody knows how these cars are going to perform until testing and until at least the first 5 races. Like the comment about Aston Martin being the slow car... But it is expected that they’re one of the slower cars. Did they means slower that last year? That would be funny cos it would mean they would be as slow as the Haas cars. Cheesy

Anyway here’s the unveiling of Aston Martin’s car. Vettel has think hair now. Lmao!

Aston Martin Reveals AMR22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLfbm5ViYfs

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Quote from: Koal-84 on February 09, 2022, 04:47:21 AM

I don't think Yamaha has a chance for the title this year, according to interviews and test results, Yamaha made the smallest steps in development, even Suzuki pushed more power out of the in-line engine, obviously Yamaha didn't. My favorite this year is Bagnaia with the very strong Ducati.

I am also not sure about Yamaha's performance this year because there are not many changes to the engine side so that in general Yamaha is clearly two steps behind other manufacturers for this season so that Yamaha still needs to modify other things that can support their engine performance to compete in the competition this season.

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The top speed is not decisive, but Yamaha is now far behind the other teams, and overtaking without top speed becomes even more difficult, you have to be even more aggressive on the brakes and take more risks.

It is indeed complicated to overtake in low power conditions so Yamaha itself still has a lot of work to do in this regard even though there is no time left to modify the engine, but other than that I think Yamaha can fix it in a very short time.

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Quote from: izsara on February 09, 2022, 01:46:07 PM

Reflecting on 2021 even the Yamaha M1 is the slowest motorbike compared to the others, with an average speed of 325.35 km/h, far from what its competitors do.
But there is an interesting thing here, they will not be able to win if they compete in a straight line but they can be said to be one who is well balanced in maneuvers.
On the other hand, Ducati can still be quite good now but this lack of Ducati is inversely proportional to Yamaha, which indeed they rely more on speed but their maneuvers tend to be inferior to Yamaha or Suzuki.

From the first this has happened very often where Ducati only evolved to a speed on the straight track but did not consider the speed in the corners or their maneuvers so that Ducati riders must always be able to balance their bikes when entering corners and exiting corners.
But if you look at the last two years where Suzuki won the MotoGP championship in 2020 and was followed by Yamaha in 2021, then Ducati should have opened their eyes to this because just relying on speed on the straight track will not always be enough to become MotoGP world champion.

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