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It could be an interesting weekend in Sochi according to google.

It will be rain over all the weekend!

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After Belgium I'm not sure that I want to see wet race... Yes, Sochi is completely different track from Spa, but I still fear that same scenario can happen. It's city track with barriers quite close to track, so it can be dangerous too.
For me Sochi is one of the worst and boring tracks, so, rain can save race (if there won't be too much water)

In other news, Ferrari planning to bring new engines to Turkish GP which will have 10-15 more HP than current one. And it means that they will have to take penalty for engine change in this round.

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Quote from: blue Snow on September 21, 2021, 04:33:15 AM

In Twin Ring Motegi circuit 3 Oct, possible Yamaha and Honda would be domination of circuit, both are japan home.

Two weeks lag, long enough. Japan yes indeed it is home to Yamaha and Honda or maybe Suzuki too. If you look at history, it turns out that this circuit has been won more by Ducati than Yamaha. Maybe because there are quite a lot of straights even though they end in sharp turns.

The news that I heard for this series was replaced with the Red Bull Grand Prix of the Americas series. Maybe this is the effect of covid 19. It's confusing I see at https://www.motogp.com/ it's different from here

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It could be an interesting weekend in Sochi according to google.

It will be rain over all the weekend!

Source: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=sochi+meteo

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Quote from: AakZaki on September 20, 2021, 05:22:23 PM

Congratulations Bagnaia for winning in San Marino, looks like the last series for Vale in his country. Very entertaining race Quartararo performed well, far from his performance in Aragon. Looks like the problem on the back doesn't appear in San Marino. Bagnaia went straight ahead since the early minutes, the time difference with the second position was also quite a lot. There was no pressure on Bagnaia only in the final lap Fabio tried to overtake him but failed.

Maybe the problem with the tire on Aragon is just for diversion him because Yamaha is not suitable for that circuit. When I look at 2 laps last in San Morino, Quartararo is still has a chance to bypass on 1st position, but San Marino is home for Ducati motors, this is the same as Aragon before, that circuit still not for Yamaha. Although Quartararo on 2nd position, he is still on No.1 with 234 points - 48 points different from Bagnaia. In Twin Ring Motegi circuit 3 Oct, possible Yamaha and Honda would be domination of circuit, both are japan home.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 19, 2021, 02:08:31 AM

Fabio will always have the thought of winning his first world championship. For Fabio it is important not to become first and to take full risk but to score points in every race whether he becomes first or fourth is not decisive but not to fail.

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Congratulations Bagnaia for winning in San Marino, looks like the last series for Vale in his country. Very entertaining race Quartararo performed well, far from his performance in Aragon. Looks like the problem on the back doesn't appear in San Marino. Bagnaia went straight ahead since the early minutes, the time difference with the second position was also quite a lot. There was no pressure on Bagnaia only in the final lap Fabio tried to overtake him but failed.

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Whoever the winner if the race in San Marino, Valentino Rossi's supporters are the most with his trademark yellow flag, they don't care about the result. The race was quite interesting, Bagnaia sped up, the fight for the 3rd position between Fabio and Martin, unfortunately Martin fell. After that Fabio tried to overtake Miller in position 2 .

congrats to Bagnaia, that very tight game between Bagnaian and Quartararo, I just look at Quartararo in the 4th position below Marquez in the beginning of laps. but he can quickly cut Mir in last laps. Quartararo can handle it even he is surrounded by the Ducati team. what surprised me yesterday is Bastianini got the podium, he's behind the pit but able to overtake Marquez and Mir on top 5.

Even though Bagnaia had problems with the tires at the end of the race, he was able to get through it with confidence, and unlike Fabio, he was using the soft compound. Fabio also inspected Bagnaia's rear tire closely under the blanket at the end of the race.

It was a good competition between Bagnaia and Quartararo. Bagnaia won the match from a pole position. Bagnaia just got his first-ever win last week has already got another win in his bag. Great show from him. He was given a very close competition from Quartararo in the ending moments but maybe he had the edge over him making him get his second win in his career, Congrats to Bagnaia.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 17, 2021, 03:14:31 PM

Giovinazzi is at a very high risk of being out from F1 next year.
Ferrari has no more "power of decision" in drivers for Alfa Romeo, the boss wanted more responsibility in this field.

Giovinazzi, as Lecrec were 2 drivers, wanted from Ferrari.

Anyway, Vettel is now official to stay in Aston Martin even next year.

Do not think that Giovinazzi will still drive next year, unless he will bring a sponsor willing to pay and Alfa can not say no.

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Quote from: Luzin on September 19, 2021, 01:36:23 PM

Whoever the winner if the race in San Marino, Valentino Rossi's supporters are the most with his trademark yellow flag, they don't care about the result. The race was quite interesting, Bagnaia sped up, the fight for the 3rd position between Fabio and Martin, unfortunately Martin fell. After that Fabio tried to overtake Miller in position 2 .

congrats to Bagnaia, that very tight game between Bagnaian and Quartararo, I just look at Quartararo in the 4th position below Marquez in the beginning of laps. but he can quickly cut Mir in last laps. Quartararo can handle it even he is surrounded by the Ducati team. what surprised me yesterday is Bastianini got the podium, he's behind the pit but able to overtake Marquez and Mir on top 5.

Even though Bagnaia had problems with the tires at the end of the race, he was able to get through it with confidence, and unlike Fabio, he was using the soft compound. Fabio also inspected Bagnaia's rear tire closely under the blanket at the end of the race.

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Quote from: Luzin on September 19, 2021, 01:36:23 PM

Whoever the winner if the race in San Marino, Valentino Rossi's supporters are the most with his trademark yellow flag, they don't care about the result. The race was quite interesting, Bagnaia sped up, the fight for the 3rd position between Fabio and Martin, unfortunately Martin fell. After that Fabio tried to overtake Miller in position 2 .

congrats to Bagnaia, that very tight game between Bagnaian and Quartararo, I just look at Quartararo in the 4th position below Marquez in the beginning of laps. but he can quickly cut Mir in last laps. Quartararo can handle it even he is surrounded by the Ducati team. what surprised me yesterday is Bastianini got the podium, he's behind the pit but able to overtake Marquez and Mir on top 5.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on September 19, 2021, 03:08:31 PM

Not just Hamilton, but many people initially were complaining about Halo. But most were unhappy mainly because it looks ugly, not because it's unsafe or something. Personally, I was also against Halo, but I was completely wrong. And I think that most people changed their mind eventually and now you hardly can find Halo haters. Just in few years it saved 3 lifes already - Leclerc, Grosjean and Hamilton, without counting other racing series.
I expect that we may see more accidents between Max and Lewis when they will race side by side

The major reason on why drivers were against halo was the minimal visual problem created.
I think as anyone in normal life, they were reluctant about the changement but now they are used to have it and they will feel safer.

Anyway, the race is coming in 7 days, I've earned maybe Redbull will do something in the Max car and he needs to start from the last position, not confirmed yet only a rumor.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on September 19, 2021, 12:33:52 AM

I don’t know why no one mentioned it above but Hamilton was one of its critic, and after it saved his life he suddenly began to sing praises of it which shows that Drivers don’t know it all, and they should chose carefully to oppose stuff when it comes to their safety. Furthermore do you think their duel is over, or we will see another crash between these two, but I do sincerely hope that they bury their differences and not repeat such stunts again.

Read Here:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/motor-racing/lewis-hamilton-criticises-new-f1-halo-concept-worst-mod-formula-1-history-a6911546.html

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/sep/12/halo-saved-my-life-says-lewis-hamilton-after-verstappen-crash-at-italian-gp

Not just Hamilton, but many people initially were complaining about Halo. But most were unhappy mainly because it looks ugly, not because it's unsafe or something. Personally, I was also against Halo, but I was completely wrong. And I think that most people changed their mind eventually and now you hardly can find Halo haters. Just in few years it saved 3 lifes already - Leclerc, Grosjean and Hamilton, without counting other racing series.
I expect that we may see more accidents between Max and Lewis when they will race side by side

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Whoever the winner if the race in San Marino, Valentino Rossi's supporters are the most with his trademark yellow flag, they don't care about the result. The race was quite interesting, Bagnaia sped up, the fight for the 3rd position between Fabio and Martin, unfortunately Martin fell. After that Fabio tried to overtake Miller in position 2 . Unfortunately Fabio was only able to catch up and fight with Bagnaia in the final three laps, but Fabio had to stay in second position. Fabio's good performance, my prediction is wrong he managed to thwart the dominance of Ducati. Now 48 points difference between Bagnaia and Fabio Quartararao

Moto GP San Marino results

1. F. Bagnaia 41 menit 48,305
2. F. Quartararao +0.364
3. E. Bastianini +4.789
4. M. Marquez +10.245
5. J. Miller +10.469
6. J. Mir +10.569
7. P. Espargaro +13.478
8. A. Espargaro +15.942
9. B. Binder +16.373
10. T. Nakagami +18.763
11. M. Pirro+20.373
12. J. Zarco +21.066
13. M. Vinales +21.258
14. S. Bradl +28.142
15. A. Marquez +30.686
16. D. Petrucci +32.654
17. V. Rossi +33.853
18. F. Morbidelli +36.272
19. L. Marino +36.839
20. M. Oliviera +37.202
21. A. Dovisiozo +42.587

Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics

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Quote from: sana54210 on September 19, 2021, 12:44:09 PM

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Halo is great. Not sure if it would save Senna or not, probably but it is not guaranteed since it still has some open spots, but it would definitely an added safe for sure. Halo wasn't liked not because of safety, every racer would want more and more safety, it is a risky sport that people die, so safety is welcomed but it is right in front of the drivers, it probably took a while for people to get used to it, you can still see the track but drivers were afraid it would be not ideal for their sight, it was never about safety, they always welcomed that part.

^ As per the motorsport director of Cranfield, University Hamilton was saved by science, not luck. I personally feel like the Halo is a piece of very good equipment to save the drivers' lives. You know, this has happened many times. Halo saved the lives of drivers from situations that looked like an instant death. Some people criticize the halo and I don't understand why. Because in these types of races or sports, injury is inevitable. And the car engineers are trying their best to deteriorate the severity of the injuries. So far the Halo has worked fine, lets see if we have something better in the future as a substitute to this.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on September 19, 2021, 12:33:52 AM

I don’t know why no one mentioned it above but Hamilton was one of its critic, and after it saved his life he suddenly began to sing praises of it which shows that Drivers don’t know it all, and they should chose carefully to oppose stuff when it comes to their safety. Furthermore do you think their duel is over, or we will see another crash between these two, but I do sincerely hope that they bury their differences and not repeat such stunts again.

We should not criticize the people who change their minds, that shows growth and maturity and you can be wrong at any time of your life and seeing the correct way and accepting it and praising it should be normal. If I think 2+2 is 5 and decline to say it is 4 but one day I realize it is 4, should I just keep ignoring and act like it is 5?

I should come out and accept that I was wrong and the correct answer is 4. Halo is great. Not sure if it would save Senna or not, probably but it is not guaranteed since it still has some open spots, but it would definitely an added safe for sure. Halo wasn't liked not because of safety, every racer would want more and more safety, it is a risky sport that people die, so safety is welcomed but it is right in front of the drivers, it probably took a while for people to get used to it, you can still see the track but drivers were afraid it would be not ideal for their sight, it was never about safety, they always welcomed that part.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on September 19, 2021, 12:33:52 AM

I don’t know why no one mentioned it above but Hamilton was one of its critic, and after it saved his life he suddenly began to sing praises of it which shows that Drivers don’t know it all, and they should chose carefully to oppose stuff when it comes to their safety. Furthermore do you think their duel is over, or we will see another crash between these two, but I do sincerely hope that they bury their differences and not repeat such stunts again.

Read Here:
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/motor-racing/lewis-hamilton-criticises-new-f1-halo-concept-worst-mod-formula-1-history-a6911546.html
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/sep/12/halo-saved-my-life-says-lewis-hamilton-after-verstappen-crash-at-italian-gp

^ Well, it is clear from Hamilton's speech that he did not know much about the safety equipment before. Now that his life is saved because of it, it is pretty normal for him to praise that. And I personally think that these inventions are very good in at least deteriorating the accident's consequences. So I think something is better than nothing. And about the rivalry between the two, well I'm guessing this is gonna go a long way and we are up for a great rivalry in this season. The matches will be spicy with these two trying to win above the other. That crash was the start of a new beginning.

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Quote from: Luzin on September 19, 2021, 02:47:08 AM

Fabio has to be smart, close the space if he is in front, but the problem is a lot of long straights Yamaha will lose on the straights. So I think the favorite is still Ducati for the podium in San Marino. I think the first start is very decisive, if BAGNAIA and MILLER are able to start well maybe he will go together and be difficult to catch. I agree with you Fabio has to play it safe for the points, and don't fall.

Quartararo had done his best when he entered the 22nd lap or the last five laps Bagnaia started to get strong pressure from Quartararo, El Diablo was approaching 1 second and at that time it seemed Bagnaia was starting to struggle with the rear tire grip, so that in the last four laps the distance between the two drivers became 0 .7 seconds and the race became more and more interesting but in the end Bagnaia was able to overcome Quartararo's resistance and finished first in the San Marino MotoGP.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 19, 2021, 07:55:25 AM

Not to forget Bastianini today, as a rookie first podium place and not as surprise.

Congratulations to Pecco Bagaia who finished first in a row by winning the race in San Marino and followed by Quartararo.
But today Bastianini appeared very epic and was able to reach his first podium, rookie Avintia Esponsorama shot from the position of star - 12 and several times was able to become the fastest racer when entering lap 17 so that he was able to climb the podium after finishing 4.789 seconds slower than Bagnaia.

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Favorite for me is again Bagnaia with the Ducati, next year Yamaha must make a step forward otherwise I think the next year for the title very difficult.

Fabio has to be smart, close the space if he is in front, but the problem is a lot of long straights Yamaha will lose on the straights. So I think the favorite is still Ducati for the podium in San Marino. I think the first start is very decisive, if BAGNAIA and MILLER are able to start well maybe he will go together and be difficult to catch. I agree with you Fabio has to play it safe for the points, and don't fall.

They both did everything right, Bagnaia confirmed his victory with a home win of him and the bike and will recommend himself as number 1 for next year at Ducati. Bagnaia has risked and knows he has to be first, in contrast Fabio has also done what he has to do, ride home the second place without mistakes.

Not to forget Bastianini today, as a rookie first podium place and not as surprise.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 19, 2021, 02:08:31 AM

Favorite for me is again Bagnaia with the Ducati, next year Yamaha must make a step forward otherwise I think the next year for the title very difficult.

Fabio has to be smart, close the space if he is in front, but the problem is a lot of long straights Yamaha will lose on the straights. So I think the favorite is still Ducati for the podium in San Marino. I think the first start is very decisive, if BAGNAIA and MILLER are able to start well maybe he will go together and be difficult to catch. I agree with you Fabio has to play it safe for the points, and don't fall.

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The dominance of the motor with great power is still happening. Will Quartararo be able to compete? This looks difficult, but it seems Yamaha bikes are quite friendly here. If Quartararo doesn't get on the podium, the race for the title will be more open.

Quartararo is surrounded by 4 Ducati teams, he will definitely have quite a tough fight this time. but he will be on Podium. I don't agree with bitinity either, yes possible Ducati team on the podium, but not all, 1 Ducati, 1 for Yamaha, and possibly 1 for Honda. Bagnaia will be on the podium, and for Marquez, if he still continues like race before, he will also (I hope he don't get a crash)

Fabio will always have the thought of winning his first world championship. For Fabio it is important not to become first and to take full risk but to score points in every race whether he becomes first or fourth is not decisive but not to fail.

Favorite for me is again Bagnaia with the Ducati, next year Yamaha must make a step forward otherwise I think the next year for the title very difficult.

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Lewis should be grateful that the halo is used, which once again saved the life of another pilot, despite the fierce disputes over the need to use it at the time.

Yes, this is the most important thing here. The halo has proven its worth quite a few times now. It may not look great, but it's absolutely the best new introduction to F1 in recent years.
And yes there was quite a lot of controversy about it when it was first brought in, but it has really proven its importance since then. I don't think anyone can argue against it having been a huge success.

This certainly correct that Halo has already saved lives, probably with Grosjaen and possibly Hamilton although I'm not sure.
The Halo would probably have saved one or the greatest racer's life -> Ayrton Senna.
But every racing driver is aware of what he is doing as a job and consciously risks his life. Niki Lauda once had a fitting quote on this.

Since its introduction in 2018, the halo has created some controversy, but I think it has proven its worth over time. It's like having something to protect the driver rather than having nothing. I think it's a win-win situation over here. Although I'm not sure if that effects the driving or creates any kind of wind drag or something.

I don’t know why no one mentioned it above but Hamilton was one of its critic, and after it saved his life he suddenly began to sing praises of it which shows that Drivers don’t know it all, and they should chose carefully to oppose stuff when it comes to their safety. Furthermore do you think their duel is over, or we will see another crash between these two, but I do sincerely hope that they bury their differences and not repeat such stunts again.

Read Here:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/motor-racing/lewis-hamilton-criticises-new-f1-halo-concept-worst-mod-formula-1-history-a6911546.html

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/sep/12/halo-saved-my-life-says-lewis-hamilton-after-verstappen-crash-at-italian-gp

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