Topic: ██[MZC] MazaCoin - National Currency - now @ RussiaToday, Independent, Telegraph - page 71. (Read 167545 times)

Just put him on ignore , he is the real scammer driving prices down so he can pump it later.

If you fuckers actually get roped into an Indian scam I'm going to laugh; NEVER TRUST NATIVE AMERICANS, EVER. People who live around reservations know this; the dumb ones are heroin addicts and the smart ones can outjew even venture capitalists who fund their casinos.

Just put him on ignore , he is the real scammer driving prices down so he can pump it later.

Just put him on ignore , he is the real scammer driving prices down so he can pump it later.

You raise some very valid concerns but let's address a couple very important things. Are there two Rob Gray's or is it the same man? Are you certain he is AnonymousPirate - can you source that proof or is this just an inclination? It's certainly believable/plausible but of course, but especially with this whole not-really-Satoshi newsweek story (!), I would like to see some substantiating evidence that this man is indeed deeply connected to MZC's back end. Secondly, do we have any information on who has control of the premine? This is also critical information, even if Rob Gray is somehow tangentially involved by being part of the bank, it doesn't necessarily mean he has control of the currency - he could just be a partner and perhaps a poor choice for one, but still just a business partner.

Anyway, do you have more info besides what you can find on the first couple pages of google with the man's name? It's not exactly damning evidence, it's all circumstantial with no substantiation on your behalf.


Finally we have the issue of Payu Harris - is he just a puppet in your eyes? Part of the scheme? This man seems genuine, is he being hung out to dry? He'll become a target for certain if this goes south, he's being far too public to be part of a scam, no? How does he fit in, in your view?

Robert Gray the Executive Director of the Mulligan Mint has quite the interesting history when it comes to starting new ventures. Here are a list of companies he created or just made up out of thin air. Free Lakota Bank, American Open Currency Standard (AOCS), SLV Properties (Silver Properties), AG Logistics (Silver Logistics),  TSP Mint (The Survival Podcast Mint), AOCS Mint, Open Currency, Lakota Exchange, AG Trading Post, and my favorite the non-existent International Commodity Banking Association (ICBA).

Many of these companies just revert back to the Mulligan mint but several are not even function companies and are just names or if they are incorporated they are used to funnel money from one scheme to another and eventually into Rob and David Gray’s hands where it is spent on maintaining their lavish lifestyle.

Well, Mr. Gray has been very busy since 2008 when he first arrived on the scene when he contacted Bernard von Nothaus about becoming a National Currency Director for the Liberty Dollar. Mr. von Nothaus informed Rob that he had to first become a Liberty Associate before he could become an NCR. This required a $100 fee which Rob Gray wanted waved which did not happen. So Rob came back two months later with the $100 fee and immediately he wanted to become an Regional Currency Director despite the fact he had put in zero time into being an associate to that point. Rob Gray finally became an ROC but then was suspended for questionable business practices which is the only time an ROC was suspended.

When Robert Gray decided to  form the American Open Currency Standard (AOCS) he used the Liberty Dollar and Mr Von Nithaus’s good name and infringed on the Liberty Dollar Merchant Decal which he reluctantly stopped after being ordered by Liberty Dollar’s attorney. You can read the entire account from Bernard von Nothaus here.

As you can see from yesterday’s post that several key personnel have jumped ship in the past several months. Which is not surprising when you understand that he has had two lawsuits in June brought about against him. The first was filed on July 8, 2013 by Chris Duane which you can read the Original Petition (Complaint) here.

Chris Duane was a business partner of Rob Gray and the Mulligan Mint and contends in these court documents that Rob and the Mint have not paid profits for use of marketing and use of coin designs which out permission. Mr. Duane wants to recover damages and to stop the use and sale of all intellectual property.

The agreement between Gray and Duane was that Gray through the Mulligan Mint would manufacture and sell coins designed by Duane. Duane supplied the designs and materials in the amount of 1,500 ounces of silver to the Mulligan mint for this purpose. All sales would result in the splitting of profits from sales of these coins after cost. This how ever did not occur and instead it is alleged that Mr. Gray kept all profits and even went so far as to reissue coins with the designs which are the property of Chris Duane despite being ordered to stop using them.

A second lawsuit involving approximately $1.2 million dollars in silver and cash owed in the amount of $217,000 for silver already purchased but not paid for to the Republic Metals Corporation. I have the court documentation but will not post them here out of respect for the companies wishes not to have this information out in the public. All I will say is that on the 24th of July 2013 an Emergency Oder for Entry and Inspection of all properties was filed and granted and Mulligan Mint, Robert Gray’s home and all other properties and warehouse connected to the Gray’s have been searched and inventories taken of all silver at these various properties.