Topic: ██[MZC] MazaCoin - National Currency - now @ RussiaToday, Independent, Telegraph - page 73. (Read 167545 times)

All you have proven is that Robert Gray is tangentially involved as a business partner in promoting and supporting MazaCoin. Is he deeper in the organization? How can we know? There's nothing to suggest that. This is waaaaay too public to be a pump and dump scam - Payu Harris wouldn't be touring the countryside promoting if it was a cut and run. All we know is Gray is a business partner - there are people that make physical Bitcoins that have nothing to do with bitcoin itself or the foundation, etc. He may be a poor choice for a partner considering his record, but that's all we know for certain. Does he control large sums of MZC is the primary question that needs to be addressed, if he doesn't his involvement is almost irrelevant except for bad press, and so, not a prudent choice on MZC's behalf.

You raise some very valid concerns but let's address a couple very important things. Are there two Rob Gray's or is it the same man? Are you certain he is AnonymousPirate - can you source that proof or is this just an inclination? It's certainly believable/plausible but of course, but especially with this whole not-really-Satoshi newsweek story (!), I would like to see some substantiating evidence that this man is indeed deeply connected to MZC's back end. Secondly, do we have any information on who has control of the premine? This is also critical information, even if Rob Gray is somehow tangentially involved by being part of the bank, it doesn't necessarily mean he has control of the currency - he could just be a partner and perhaps a poor choice for one, but still just a business partner.

Anyway, do you have more info besides what you can find on the first couple pages of google with the man's name? It's not exactly damning evidence, it's all circumstantial with no substantiation on your behalf.


Finally we have the issue of Payu Harris - is he just a puppet in your eyes? Part of the scheme? This man seems genuine, is he being hung out to dry? He'll become a target for certain if this goes south, he's being far too public to be part of a scam, no? How does he fit in, in your view?

Robert Gray the Executive Director of the Mulligan Mint has quite the interesting history when it comes to starting new ventures. Here are a list of companies he created or just made up out of thin air. Free Lakota Bank, American Open Currency Standard (AOCS), SLV Properties (Silver Properties), AG Logistics (Silver Logistics),  TSP Mint (The Survival Podcast Mint), AOCS Mint, Open Currency, Lakota Exchange, AG Trading Post, and my favorite the non-existent International Commodity Banking Association (ICBA).

Many of these companies just revert back to the Mulligan mint but several are not even function companies and are just names or if they are incorporated they are used to funnel money from one scheme to another and eventually into Rob and David Gray’s hands where it is spent on maintaining their lavish lifestyle.

Well, Mr. Gray has been very busy since 2008 when he first arrived on the scene when he contacted Bernard von Nothaus about becoming a National Currency Director for the Liberty Dollar. Mr. von Nothaus informed Rob that he had to first become a Liberty Associate before he could become an NCR. This required a $100 fee which Rob Gray wanted waved which did not happen. So Rob came back two months later with the $100 fee and immediately he wanted to become an Regional Currency Director despite the fact he had put in zero time into being an associate to that point. Rob Gray finally became an ROC but then was suspended for questionable business practices which is the only time an ROC was suspended.

When Robert Gray decided to  form the American Open Currency Standard (AOCS) he used the Liberty Dollar and Mr Von Nithaus’s good name and infringed on the Liberty Dollar Merchant Decal which he reluctantly stopped after being ordered by Liberty Dollar’s attorney. You can read the entire account from Bernard von Nothaus here.

As you can see from yesterday’s post that several key personnel have jumped ship in the past several months. Which is not surprising when you understand that he has had two lawsuits in June brought about against him. The first was filed on July 8, 2013 by Chris Duane which you can read the Original Petition (Complaint) here.

Chris Duane was a business partner of Rob Gray and the Mulligan Mint and contends in these court documents that Rob and the Mint have not paid profits for use of marketing and use of coin designs which out permission. Mr. Duane wants to recover damages and to stop the use and sale of all intellectual property.

The agreement between Gray and Duane was that Gray through the Mulligan Mint would manufacture and sell coins designed by Duane. Duane supplied the designs and materials in the amount of 1,500 ounces of silver to the Mulligan mint for this purpose. All sales would result in the splitting of profits from sales of these coins after cost. This how ever did not occur and instead it is alleged that Mr. Gray kept all profits and even went so far as to reissue coins with the designs which are the property of Chris Duane despite being ordered to stop using them.

A second lawsuit involving approximately $1.2 million dollars in silver and cash owed in the amount of $217,000 for silver already purchased but not paid for to the Republic Metals Corporation. I have the court documentation but will not post them here out of respect for the companies wishes not to have this information out in the public. All I will say is that on the 24th of July 2013 an Emergency Oder for Entry and Inspection of all properties was filed and granted and Mulligan Mint, Robert Gray’s home and all other properties and warehouse connected to the Gray’s have been searched and inventories taken of all silver at these various properties.

Price skyrocketing down sell Everything away

For that we have to go back to the first few pages and your reply.


According to you the mazacoin devs are working directly with the Free Lakota Bank, the owner of which is Robert Gray and his brother Chris.

Now that I have posted the accusations of Robert Gray the charlatan scamming cancer patients out of their money by hosting public hypnosis sessions, along with his dark history of owning and embezzling money from his former company Muilligan Mint that also sold a form of silver currency, it is up to you to make your decision. I am simply the messenger who doesn't want people falling for this asshole again.

manonthemoon, question, how is Rob Gray related to Mazacoin?

Guys.....forget about the daily ups and downs driven by greedy asses.....this thing is HUGE.

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[23:47] <@AnonymousPirate> MazaCoin WILL succeed. just tonight we began finalizing the deal with the Free Lakota Bank.
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That is HUGE.

http://www.freelakotabank.com/a-new-standard-of-value/

That's the bank he's talking about, they have  been issuing their own currency since 2008. They will be issuing SILVER mazacoins too.

Listen, I am in this long, I am not here to pump people up for a subsequent dump, the idea of basically tricking others into giving up their bitcoin does not appeal to me at all, it makes me sick actually.

This coin is so different than all the other shitcoins and scamcoins with scammy devs. I know people will get behind it big time. Of course, I am thinking 2 or 3 years down the road, but had I thought that way about BTC in 2009 when I first heard about them and they were $0.30 each I would be racing my new Lambo right now lol

It was as high as 17K a few days back.  

Erm, it was 15k yesterday lol

Yeah I heard that everyday for the last few days and this crap is still @5k....

Anyone want to take back the claims of spreading FUD?

Rob Gray has moved through the technology, water ionizer, hypnosis and now the metals and cryptocurrency industries with all the same complaints.  The faces and places my change, but the racketeering is all the same.


Rob Gray exposed on local news for curing cancer! And you want to support this man?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNo6BQU0Ehc

Way under value atm, expecting triple the price by tonight.

I'll be here all morning.  


People invest in coins with IPOs and faceless devs eagerly and are horrifically skeptical of a guy actually hitting pavement with a clear mission and a whole community of non-crypto traders backing him tyring to do something truly revolutionary. Logic has no place here, sirs!