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legendary
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October 12, 2012, 05:32:55 AM
So, someone needs to start a total anonymous identityless exchange.

Great idea! I'm sure the same guys who "invested" in DMC would be all over it.

Diablo's identity is more trivial to find than the identities of most other asset issuers... I'm failing to see why DMC investors would be more interested in an anonymous exchange.

Because anybody who was stupid enough to "invest" in DMC is also stupid enough to "invest" in an anonymous exchange.

O come on... as if the ipo-investors should have know how diablo will handle dmc. at ipo everything looked fine. Diablo was a distributor to the community with his miner and everyone trusted him.

If you spoke about pirate invests... then i could say ok... but diablo not.
sr. member
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October 12, 2012, 02:08:47 AM
So, someone needs to start a total anonymous identityless exchange.

Great idea! I'm sure the same guys who "invested" in DMC would be all over it.

Diablo's identity is more trivial to find than the identities of most other asset issuers... I'm failing to see why DMC investors would be more interested in an anonymous exchange.

Because anybody who was stupid enough to "invest" in DMC is also stupid enough to "invest" in an anonymous exchange.
sr. member
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October 12, 2012, 01:59:37 AM
So, someone needs to start a total anonymous identityless exchange.

People can't even get their funds back from exchange owners whose identities are known.  What makes you think that anyone who sets up a totally anonymous exchange is going to be trustworthy?

Another distributed blockchain that holds the information about shares and there would be no need to trust anyone. The exchange pages would hold no BTC or shares, only information about prices and sell/buy orders, which it would have extracted from the blockchain. Actually, the whole trade could be made without any central exchange. Just a client (like bitcoin-qt) which would do everything and store the information on a blockchain.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-it-possible-a-block-chain-for-stocks-115712

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-based-decentralized-stock-exchange-116991
legendary
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What's a GPU?
October 11, 2012, 10:23:40 PM
Jesus H. Christ, this thread is still going? The BTC Guild mining thread has been going since like Oct-Nov of 2011 and its only 56 pages last time I checked!

Nefario has become quite the celebrity!
sr. member
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October 11, 2012, 10:11:20 PM
So, someone needs to start a total anonymous identityless exchange.

Great idea! I'm sure the same guys who "invested" in DMC would be all over it.

Diablo's identity is more trivial to find than the identities of most other asset issuers... I'm failing to see why DMC investors would be more interested in an anonymous exchange.
hero member
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Wat
October 11, 2012, 09:35:40 PM
So, someone needs to start a total anonymous identityless exchange.
People can't even get their funds back from exchange owners whose identities are known.  What makes you think that anyone who sets up a totally anonymous exchange is going to be trustworthy?
because it would be trustable over time?
You mean, as the pot of funds waiting to be stolen gets slowly larger?  Wink

If done right, there wouldn't be any funds to steal. Just like with bitcoins themselves, a properly set up distributed exchange shouldn't have a central entity that can grab them.

Its probably helpful to have multisig so if the operator goes rogue he cant steal your coins.
legendary
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October 11, 2012, 08:50:58 PM
So, someone needs to start a total anonymous identityless exchange.

People can't even get their funds back from exchange owners whose identities are known.  What makes you think that anyone who sets up a totally anonymous exchange is going to be trustworthy?

An anonymous echange alone wouldnt help. That would be worse than now because now we know the owner. A new exchange only can be without a central. P2P-like. The orderbook stored on all the nodes taking part and the transactions in a similar way like with bitcoins. If its created, open source and some guys who know code checked its safe i would trust that network way more than a new centralized stock exchange.
legendary
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October 11, 2012, 08:12:52 PM


...srsly, why have they not yet been sent?
sr. member
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October 11, 2012, 07:58:12 PM
a properly set up distributed exchange shouldn't have a central entity that can grab them.
I agree.

Seems to me that, in theory, a completely distributed system based within the block-chain should be doable. Perhaps with an overhead cost, per-trade cost, being whatever the going rate is for a BTC transaction of equivalent value.

This would create, perhaps, an incentive for an application, beyond bitcoin-qt and its equivalents, which enables tracking and performing trades of assets which are tracked/verified/validated by 'transactions' embedded in the chain. (And possibly opportunities for a web site(s) which support this for those who don't want to 'pay' the overhead of running a full bitcoind and its giga-bytes of data. Which, of course, would be entitled to a, small, additional percentage cut per trade.)

Hmmm, probably still needs 'exchange' sites where buy/sell bids can be submitted/moderated to allow for 'market' establisment/fluctuation. But with such a 'chain-embedded' tracking of assets the current issue of divorcing issues from validated holders of shares would never again occur. And since up to date ownership of shares is never in doubt, they could readily be traded at *any* existent exchange. Hence creating motivation for exchanges to compete by the services offered and fees charged with no risk that an 'exchange' can abscond with the assets. (There would always be risk to any transient BTC held by an exchange, but the assets themselves would be safe.)

I think some work has already begun on something like this but it is immature to date. If anyone else recalls such please reply with a link. I might be interested in personally putting some software dev man-hours towards such a solution.
sr. member
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October 11, 2012, 07:36:20 PM
So, someone needs to start a total anonymous identityless exchange.
People can't even get their funds back from exchange owners whose identities are known.  What makes you think that anyone who sets up a totally anonymous exchange is going to be trustworthy?
because it would be trustable over time?
You mean, as the pot of funds waiting to be stolen gets slowly larger?  Wink

If done right, there wouldn't be any funds to steal. Just like with bitcoins themselves, a properly set up distributed exchange shouldn't have a central entity that can grab them.
vip
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October 11, 2012, 05:46:18 PM
Perhaps calling out the other two supporters in public so we can know for certain who is supporting this abortion of a way to wrap up a company and who is on the side of the victims?

If there are no coins forthcoming by the end of the week Im considering it.

Please do.. their reputation seriously needs to be out there.
sr. member
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October 11, 2012, 05:43:27 PM
So, someone needs to start a total anonymous identityless exchange.

Great idea! I'm sure the same guys who "invested" in DMC would be all over it.
hero member
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Wat
October 11, 2012, 05:34:36 PM
Perhaps calling out the other two supporters in public so we can know for certain who is supporting this abortion of a way to wrap up a company and who is on the side of the victims?

If there are no coins forthcoming by the end of the week Im considering it.
sr. member
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October 11, 2012, 05:24:36 PM
So, someone needs to start a total anonymous identityless exchange.

People can't even get their funds back from exchange owners whose identities are known.  What makes you think that anyone who sets up a totally anonymous exchange is going to be trustworthy?
because it would be trustable over time?
You mean, as the pot of funds waiting to be stolen gets slowly larger?  Wink
vip
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Merit: 1043
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October 11, 2012, 05:22:24 PM
So, someone needs to start a total anonymous identityless exchange.

People can't even get their funds back from exchange owners whose identities are known.  What makes you think that anyone who sets up a totally anonymous exchange is going to be trustworthy?
because it would be trustable over time?
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
October 11, 2012, 05:03:42 PM
So, someone needs to start a total anonymous identityless exchange.

People can't even get their funds back from exchange owners whose identities are known.  What makes you think that anyone who sets up a totally anonymous exchange is going to be trustworthy?

thats the joke...not learning from others' past mistakes...just repeat them over  and over  Cheesy
hero member
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October 11, 2012, 05:00:38 PM
So, someone needs to start a total anonymous identityless exchange.

People can't even get their funds back from exchange owners whose identities are known.  What makes you think that anyone who sets up a totally anonymous exchange is going to be trustworthy?
vip
Activity: 1316
Merit: 1043
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October 11, 2012, 04:55:22 PM
So, someone needs to start a total anonymous identityless exchange.
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
October 11, 2012, 03:46:37 PM
Just logged in.  Without doing anything else, it says:

Quote
Claim finished
Your claim has been submitted and will be reviewed.
You will be contacted (via the email address you provided) to keep you up to date on the status of your account, we will try to get your bitcoin to you as soon as possible.

I guess it remembers when I logged in the first time the site was up.  I submitted some information, but stopped at the AML page.

No email yet, and no BTC.  (I forget if it even asked for a withdrawl address before.  I know I did not have one configured back when the site was fully working.)

LOL. So let me get this straight...

1. You login to glbse.com
2. You are done?

What the fuck kind of claim process is that? ....lol trolllololol??? Cheesy

Ahh smoothie that same thing happened to me. Its not a lie.

Priceless claim process lol
sr. member
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October 11, 2012, 03:35:28 PM
Perhaps calling out the other two supporters in public so we can know for certain who is supporting this abortion of a way to wrap up a company and who is on the side of the victims?
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