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NEM official stakeholder list (before the public auditing).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlidWok7hW0DdHVfeU1BRFVoZkJ6QTRvcjc2cTQzQ2c#gid=0

From now on we will use this list instead of the previous stakeholder list which will be used for checking references only.

So there are 3124 Stakeholders now?

Thanks for your hard work UP Wink

There are around 2900 now after all the deletions. I keep the position no. the same for references, but the actual cell counts in the sheet are a bit above 2900.
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Dear utopianfuture
I dont see my name is in your new doc. but it was in the old doc.
Can you please verify it?

My transaction is below: please verify it and change my status in the Google document.
https://blockchain.info/en/tx/837e64327f7a6e51096be48e6d203361c0f42dd48e9576b9e503df320ed469f0

My original thread is:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5189110

Kind regards,
Sergey


The link in your original post does not return a correct transaction. Please file an official post in stake complaint thread with the new ID. We have to check it against all the existing hashes so it will take sometimes but we will deal with all of the complaints in an order.
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My plan is to use taint analysis to link closely related accounts together. And we will limit the holding of these closely related accounts to 5 stakes, anything above that would be refunded.

We can't really say for sure all these related accounts is just one person. It is possible that a group of friends is buying via one big account holder and but one account still represent one person. It is a good thing if someone can draw a close friend or two of him into crypto because of this opportunity and then they can can help to promote NEM in differently ways locally. But I would like to restrict these groups to a maximum of 5 stakes.

I asked Kooream to compile population statistics so that we can see have a glimpse of how many unique accounts/ individuals we could have. I expect group 1, accounts created  before the fundraising, consists mainly of unique accounts and as well as accounts in group 2, accounts created during the fundraising but engaged in more activities. Counting both groups, we already have roughly 1500 stakeholders, so that's a good thing.  

It is expected that stakeholders can buy 1 more share for loved one/ family member as well so a certain percentage of group 3 account falls into this category. A certain portion accounts in group 3 are also unique accounts but they are not yet active so they should be able to keep their shares. The remaining are likely sockpuppet accounts and we will try to refund them using the taint analysis.

I have finished the unified list and will post them momentarily. Let's wait 1-2 days before we start the public auditing. There will be guidelines and bounties announced for the efforts. Generally the public auditing includes: public checking for errors, discrepancies in the stakeholder list; public checking for big multi-accouter using taint analysis.





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what are the numbers for?

1.75E +19 5.62 E 18, E 19 1:32??

That's the NXT tx id/ bitcoin hash. There are some formatting issues especially with NXT tx id. They are fine in most cases, but it is best to go to the account's post to collect the accurate tx id (with regarding to NXT transactions).
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Dear utopianfuture
I dont see my name is in your new doc. but it was in the old doc.
Can you please verify it?

My transaction is below: please verify it and change my status in the Google document.
https://blockchain.info/en/tx/837e64327f7a6e51096be48e6d203361c0f42dd48e9576b9e503df320ed469f0

My original thread is:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5189110

Kind regards,
Sergey
hero member
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My plan is to use taint analysis to link closely related accounts together. And we will limit the holding of these closely related accounts to 5 stakes, anything above that would be refunded.

We can't really say for sure all these related accounts is just one person. It is possible that a group of friends is buying via one big account holder and but one account still represent one person. It is a good thing if someone can draw a close friend or two of him into crypto because of this opportunity and then they can can help to promote NEM in differently ways locally. But I would like to restrict these groups to a maximum of 5 stakes.

I asked Kooream to compile population statistics so that we can see have a glimpse of how many unique accounts/ individuals we could have. I expect group 1, accounts created  before the fundraising, consists mainly of unique accounts and as well as accounts in group 2, accounts created during the fundraising but engaged in more activities. Counting both groups, we already have roughly 1500 stakeholders, so that's a good thing.  

It is expected that stakeholders can buy 1 more share for loved one/ family member as well so a certain percentage of group 3 account falls into this category. A certain portion accounts in group 3 are also unique accounts but they are not yet active so they should be able to keep their shares. The remaining are likely sockpuppet accounts and we will try to refund them using the taint analysis.

I have finished the unified list and will post them momentarily. Let's wait 1-2 days before we start the public auditing. There will be guidelines and bounties announced for the efforts. Generally the public auditing includes: public checking for errors, discrepancies in the stakeholder list; public checking for big multi-accouter using taint analysis.





UP    




what are the numbers for?

1.75E +19 5.62 E 18, E 19 1:32??

I guess those are NXT TXIDs that google docs converted into float.
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newbie
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My plan is to use taint analysis to link closely related accounts together. And we will limit the holding of these closely related accounts to 5 stakes, anything above that would be refunded.

We can't really say for sure all these related accounts is just one person. It is possible that a group of friends is buying via one big account holder and but one account still represent one person. It is a good thing if someone can draw a close friend or two of him into crypto because of this opportunity and then they can can help to promote NEM in differently ways locally. But I would like to restrict these groups to a maximum of 5 stakes.

I asked Kooream to compile population statistics so that we can see have a glimpse of how many unique accounts/ individuals we could have. I expect group 1, accounts created  before the fundraising, consists mainly of unique accounts and as well as accounts in group 2, accounts created during the fundraising but engaged in more activities. Counting both groups, we already have roughly 1500 stakeholders, so that's a good thing.  

It is expected that stakeholders can buy 1 more share for loved one/ family member as well so a certain percentage of group 3 account falls into this category. A certain portion accounts in group 3 are also unique accounts but they are not yet active so they should be able to keep their shares. The remaining are likely sockpuppet accounts and we will try to refund them using the taint analysis.

I have finished the unified list and will post them momentarily. Let's wait 1-2 days before we start the public auditing. There will be guidelines and bounties announced for the efforts. Generally the public auditing includes: public checking for errors, discrepancies in the stakeholder list; public checking for big multi-accouter using taint analysis.





UP    




what are the numbers for?

1.75E +19 5.62 E 18, E 19 1:32??
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Hello admins,

My post was deleted and I have the account anyboy but I forgot the password. Can I create another BTT account for this transaction?


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Quote from: anyboy on February 15, 2014, 05:31:35 AM
Hi,

Send 0.075 to 1Lk5Paws9T1YpoSeLeZT7ZeSQKW7UNq4TJ
Block number is 97e51a70b57da5f356ca1f21fee7034a7f33eed2690da0e563e32af673c3977a

Please help to reserve NEM coin.


Hi utopianfuture,
I am anyboy and I login to my email and account anymore.
the account password must be stolen. Can I still get the NEM with this IOP?
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NEM official stakeholder list (before the public auditing).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlidWok7hW0DdHVfeU1BRFVoZkJ6QTRvcjc2cTQzQ2c#gid=0

From now on we will use this list instead of the previous stakeholder list which will be used for checking references only.

So there are 3124 Stakeholders now?

Thanks for your hard work UP Wink
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I am more concerned about the three categories of user, because I belong to the third category of users.
   I think just to have the number of posts published can not conclude whether it is speculators, thank you!
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My plan is to use taint analysis to link closely related accounts together. And we will limit the holding of these closely related accounts to 5 stakes, anything above that would be refunded.

We can't really say for sure all these related accounts is just one person. It is possible that a group of friends is buying via one big account holder and but one account still represent one person. It is a good thing if someone can draw a close friend or two of him into crypto because of this opportunity and then they can can help to promote NEM in differently ways locally. But I would like to restrict these groups to a maximum of 5 stakes.

I asked Kooream to compile population statistics so that we can see have a glimpse of how many unique accounts/ individuals we could have. I expect group 1, accounts created  before the fundraising, consists mainly of unique accounts and as well as accounts in group 2, accounts created during the fundraising but engaged in more activities. Counting both groups, we already have roughly 1500 stakeholders, so that's a good thing.  

It is expected that stakeholders can buy 1 more share for loved one/ family member as well so a certain percentage of group 3 account falls into this category. A certain portion accounts in group 3 are also unique accounts but they are not yet active so they should be able to keep their shares. The remaining are likely sockpuppet accounts and we will try to refund them using the taint analysis.

I have finished the unified list and will post them momentarily. Let's wait 1-2 days before we start the public auditing. There will be guidelines and bounties announced for the efforts. Generally the public auditing includes: public checking for errors, discrepancies in the stakeholder list; public checking for big multi-accouter using taint analysis.

UP    
You guys did very good job.I like those ideas.
sr. member
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NEM official stakeholder list (before the public auditing).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlidWok7hW0DdHVfeU1BRFVoZkJ6QTRvcjc2cTQzQ2c#gid=0

From now on we will use this list instead of the previous stakeholder list which will be used for checking references only.
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You paid a fee to join NEM not to buy a stake.

This is the same thing.  By joining Nem, you get a stake.  Supposedly.

You paid a fee to ask to join NEM not to buy a stake.

FIFY

And the last  Next i sale now too.

You're disturbing.
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My plan is to use taint analysis to link closely related accounts together. And we will limit the holding of these closely related accounts to 5 stakes, anything above that would be refunded.

We can't really say for sure all these related accounts is just one person. It is possible that a group of friends is buying via one big account holder and but one account still represent one person. It is a good thing if someone can draw a close friend or two of him into crypto because of this opportunity and then they can can help to promote NEM in differently ways locally. But I would like to restrict these groups to a maximum of 5 stakes.

I asked Kooream to compile population statistics so that we can see have a glimpse of how many unique accounts/ individuals we could have. I expect group 1, accounts created  before the fundraising, consists mainly of unique accounts and as well as accounts in group 2, accounts created during the fundraising but engaged in more activities. Counting both groups, we already have roughly 1500 stakeholders, so that's a good thing.  

It is expected that stakeholders can buy 1 more share for loved one/ family member as well so a certain percentage of group 3 account falls into this category. A certain portion accounts in group 3 are also unique accounts but they are not yet active so they should be able to keep their shares. The remaining are likely sockpuppet accounts and we will try to refund them using the taint analysis.

I have finished the unified list and will post them momentarily. Let's wait 1-2 days before we start the public auditing. There will be guidelines and bounties announced for the efforts. Generally the public auditing includes: public checking for errors, discrepancies in the stakeholder list; public checking for big multi-accouter using taint analysis.

UP    

great work.
sr. member
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My plan is to use taint analysis to link closely related accounts together. And we will limit the holding of these closely related accounts to 5 stakes, anything above that would be refunded.

We can't really say for sure all these related accounts is just one person. It is possible that a group of friends is buying via one big account holder and but one account still represent one person. It is a good thing if someone can draw a close friend or two of him into crypto because of this opportunity and then they can can help to promote NEM in differently ways locally. But I would like to restrict these groups to a maximum of 5 stakes.

I asked Kooream to compile population statistics so that we can see have a glimpse of how many unique accounts/ individuals we could have. I expect group 1, accounts created  before the fundraising, consists mainly of unique accounts and as well as accounts in group 2, accounts created during the fundraising but engaged in more activities. Counting both groups, we already have roughly 1500 stakeholders, so that's a good thing.  

It is expected that stakeholders can buy 1 more share for loved one/ family member as well so a certain percentage of group 3 account falls into this category. A certain portion accounts in group 3 are also unique accounts but they are not yet active so they should be able to keep their shares. The remaining are likely sockpuppet accounts and we will try to refund them using the taint analysis.

I have finished the unified list and will post them momentarily. Let's wait 1-2 days before we start the public auditing. There will be guidelines and bounties announced for the efforts. Generally the public auditing includes: public checking for errors, discrepancies in the stakeholder list; public checking for big multi-accouter using taint analysis.

UP    
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When will this public audit happen? Oh and if I'm not mistaken utopianfuture mentioned a second nem stake opening for bigger names and larger contributers?

Audit will happen after the stakeholderlist is completed. There have been talks about a second round of registration but I'm not sure it's definite yet. I guess it'll also depend on how many stake holders there actually are. I'm sure about bigger names or larger contributors but the rules would definitely be tightened.
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I'm surprised by some of the greed (assuming some people have created sockpuppet accounts for selfish reasons). One stake per person is enough, and it in turn it allows other users to claim a fair stake as well.  Every sockpuppet account that someone creates for selfish reasons, then a potential legitimate stakeholder loses out.  This is not good for the movement/community. 

If a user is found to create many accounts for "family", "friends" etc, perhaps they should only be given one stake which they can share with their "family" and "friends" rather than multiple.

i.e. they can split their one stake 50/50, 33.3/33.3/33.3 25/25/25/25 and so on.

Although i completely agree with this, the reality is it would be extremely difficult to accomplish. In addition i am an individual who bought NXT on behalf of a friend who later used it in his own wallet to invest in NEM (Of which i can prove through a variety of means to UP if requested)

In all honesty, i just don't see it happening anytime soon. Personally the only people i'd pursue are those who blatantly hold a large number of stake.
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When will this public audit happen? Oh and if I'm not mistaken utopianfuture mentioned a second nem stake opening for bigger names and larger contributers?
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Another question?

If a person has 20 stakes, do we intend ti refund them completely ( not fair) or bring it down to an accetable level ( what ever that is)?

Yes afaik we intend to refund them completely anything else would be pretty much stealing. The deal was:

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However accumulating many NEM stakes goes against NEM's principles of fairness and equality, therefore the development team reserves the right to refund you the money if an effort to unfairly accumulate NEM stakes is discovered.




+1
I believe, it is fair to most of investors.

I'm surprised by some of the greed (assuming some people have created sockpuppet accounts for selfish reasons). One stake per person is enough, and it in turn it allows other users to claim a fair stake as well.  Every sockpuppet account that someone creates for selfish reasons, then a potential legitimate stakeholder loses out.  This is not good for the movement/community. 

If a user is found to create many accounts for "family", "friends" etc, perhaps they should only be given one stake which they can share with their "family" and "friends" rather than multiple.

i.e. they can split their one stake 50/50, 33.3/33.3/33.3 25/25/25/25 and so on.
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Another question?

If a person has 20 stakes, do we intend ti refund them completely ( not fair) or bring it down to an accetable level ( what ever that is)?

Yes afaik we intend to refund them completely anything else would be pretty much stealing. The deal was:

Quote
However accumulating many NEM stakes goes against NEM's principles of fairness and equality, therefore the development team reserves the right to refund you the money if an effort to unfairly accumulate NEM stakes is discovered.




+1
I believe, it is fair to most of investors.
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