[NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread - page 345.

erkki12

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Quote from: crackerhead on February 24, 2014, 04:09:26 PM

Shameless repost, we need community members to get involved for this to be great!

nemcoin.info
Current Versions are at:
http://oddape.co/AwkwardTheme/index1.9.8.html (black theme)
and
http://oddape.co/AwkwardTheme/index1.9.7.html (blue theme)

Google Docs:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gbp1rivOTFZvtBG0_rJabUyyKbDuZjMBx9jiifBJO0c/edit?usp=sharing (nemcoin.info proposal)

Please give me your input, I have appreciated all the suggestions so far! Do you like the black or blue theme? I prefer the blue theme as I think it is more welcoming, but the black theme would go well with ournem.com

This site is built on the bootstrap framework, so it is super optimized for fullscreen and mobile sizes (I will optimize it for tablets later, but it still looks ok there for now)
Also. an "updates" section will be the next thing I implement into the site.

I can use more pictures, etc for the website!!! If I use your images/graphics/pictures whatever in the final design, You will receive some NEM from me shortly after launch.
A great part of this website will be the “case study” (read all about it in the google docs).
Any merchant or charity or fellow stakeholder that wants to get involved please post at this thread:
http://nemcoin.userboard.net/t45-nemcoininfo
read the google docs for more info on how you can help, thanks!

I prefer the blue one. Its looking good otherwise, but you should change the pics. The nightly city isn't what rebuilding the financial system is about (i mean what NEM is about). Also surely community is not about clubbing/raving (the picture in the community part), but something else. I haven't got any idea why there is a picture of alpine roads in the FAQ part and how is the How To associated with flowing water and the wallet downloads with a nightly bridge + city.

How about:

- The first picture replace with the one on ournem.com site

- Community picture looking something more like these: http://www.bluewolf.com/sites/default/files/SalesforceCommunities.jpg
http://www.iiaweb.com/sites/iiadev/files/pagegraphics/community.jpg
point being that no clubbing/raving, because we ought to be a respectable organization combatting the unequal distribution of wealth globally and all the problems it brings with it.

- How about a text "FAQ" or just a question mark on the FAQ pic?

- I dont know what to put in the How To, but surely we must have something else than water there.

- Finally couldn't the wallet part just be a picture of a wallet / money / Bitcoin wallet or something that is related to a wallet somehow...

Besides those pictures its looking good IMO. Great work!

Vladimircook

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Quote from: patmast3r on February 25, 2014, 05:08:39 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: 2Kool4Skewl on February 25, 2014, 04:40:17 AM

Quote from: j23a on February 25, 2014, 03:34:47 AM

In regards to his character, he already showed it. If he starts acting in a more reasonable, less troll of a way, it won't change his character, he would still be the same person.

Quote from: conbos on February 25, 2014, 03:44:42 AM

Hard to believe that a senior member of this forum can show such childish behavior. But, to finished, I'm glad that he can hold his stake and have the opportunity to act more reasonably. This speak very good about this community!

I was simply looking out for everyone that gave Nxt or Btc to the dev fund.

When I received my stake, no one had to pay. At that point, if Nem wasn't fairly distributed and had no code, no one lost anything. Later when UtopianFuture started collecting Nxt and Btc, people were at risk of losing their money. I've seen the Visacoin, Shares, Aero, etc scams and I know how eager people are to get a stake in the next Nxt. I don't think it is ethical to sell people on promises with little actual work. Writing Nem from scratch is easier said than done. People might say that I'm bashing Nem so they invest in Nxt, but the fact is that Nxt is being actively developed. If I had to pay Nxt to get Nem, I would just keep my Nxt, but everyone has the right to make their own decision.

ya have a good point there.. luckily i got my stake when it was 40 nxt/stake..

worth the risk if you ask me

That point is valid but that's true for every other investment/coin out there.

If I ask you to pay some money and in return promise you that I will try to deliver something (it was always stated outright that this very well could fail) and you decide to do that then that's your choice and a risk you know about and voluntarily take. I don't get how that is supposed to be unethical.
NEM is actively developed as well. Take a look at the trello board, the devs are making progress on a daily basis and so far it seems that things are going smoothly.

I'm sorry but you just don't make any sense to me.

Anyway, let's focus on the future and on getting NEM forward.

I share the view of pat mast3r. The problem with 2kool is solved now and we should looking forward to make NEM a big player in cryptoscence.

patmast3r

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: 2Kool4Skewl on February 25, 2014, 04:40:17 AM

Quote from: j23a on February 25, 2014, 03:34:47 AM

In regards to his character, he already showed it. If he starts acting in a more reasonable, less troll of a way, it won't change his character, he would still be the same person.

Quote from: conbos on February 25, 2014, 03:44:42 AM

Hard to believe that a senior member of this forum can show such childish behavior. But, to finished, I'm glad that he can hold his stake and have the opportunity to act more reasonably. This speak very good about this community!

I was simply looking out for everyone that gave Nxt or Btc to the dev fund.

When I received my stake, no one had to pay. At that point, if Nem wasn't fairly distributed and had no code, no one lost anything. Later when UtopianFuture started collecting Nxt and Btc, people were at risk of losing their money. I've seen the Visacoin, Shares, Aero, etc scams and I know how eager people are to get a stake in the next Nxt. I don't think it is ethical to sell people on promises with little actual work. Writing Nem from scratch is easier said than done. People might say that I'm bashing Nem so they invest in Nxt, but the fact is that Nxt is being actively developed. If I had to pay Nxt to get Nem, I would just keep my Nxt, but everyone has the right to make their own decision.

ya have a good point there.. luckily i got my stake when it was 40 nxt/stake..

worth the risk if you ask me

That point is valid but that's true for every other investment/coin out there.

If I ask you to pay some money and in return promise you that I will try to deliver something (it was always stated outright that this very well could fail) and you decide to do that then that's your choice and a risk you know about and voluntarily take. I don't get how that is supposed to be unethical.
NEM is actively developed as well. Take a look at the trello board, the devs are making progress on a daily basis and so far it seems that things are going smoothly.

I'm sorry but you just don't make any sense to me.

Anyway, let's focus on the future and on getting NEM forward.

ashapasa

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Activity: 420

Merit: 250

Quote from: 2Kool4Skewl on February 25, 2014, 04:40:17 AM

Quote from: j23a on February 25, 2014, 03:34:47 AM

In regards to his character, he already showed it. If he starts acting in a more reasonable, less troll of a way, it won't change his character, he would still be the same person.

Quote from: conbos on February 25, 2014, 03:44:42 AM

Hard to believe that a senior member of this forum can show such childish behavior. But, to finished, I'm glad that he can hold his stake and have the opportunity to act more reasonably. This speak very good about this community!

I was simply looking out for everyone that gave Nxt or Btc to the dev fund.

When I received my stake, no one had to pay. At that point, if Nem wasn't fairly distributed and had no code, no one lost anything. Later when UtopianFuture started collecting Nxt and Btc, people were at risk of losing their money. I've seen the Visacoin, Shares, Aero, etc scams and I know how eager people are to get a stake in the next Nxt. I don't think it is ethical to sell people on promises with little actual work. Writing Nem from scratch is easier said than done. People might say that I'm bashing Nem so they invest in Nxt, but the fact is that Nxt is being actively developed. If I had to pay Nxt to get Nem, I would just keep my Nxt, but everyone has the right to make their own decision.

Do you plan to help NEM in anyway ? or do u intend to just collect in the offchance NEM might succeed.

2Kool4Skewl

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Quote from: j23a on February 25, 2014, 03:34:47 AM

In regards to his character, he already showed it. If he starts acting in a more reasonable, less troll of a way, it won't change his character, he would still be the same person.

Quote from: conbos on February 25, 2014, 03:44:42 AM

Hard to believe that a senior member of this forum can show such childish behavior. But, to finished, I'm glad that he can hold his stake and have the opportunity to act more reasonably. This speak very good about this community!

I was simply looking out for everyone that gave Nxt or Btc to the dev fund.

When I received my stake, no one had to pay. At that point, if Nem wasn't fairly distributed and had no code, no one lost anything. Later when UtopianFuture started collecting Nxt and Btc, people were at risk of losing their money. I've seen the Visacoin, Shares, Aero, etc scams and I know how eager people are to get a stake in the next Nxt. I don't think it is ethical to sell people on promises with little actual work. Writing Nem from scratch is easier said than done. People might say that I'm bashing Nem so they invest in Nxt, but the fact is that Nxt is being actively developed. If I had to pay Nxt to get Nem, I would just keep my Nxt, but everyone has the right to make their own decision.

almoche

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Quote from: utopianfuture on February 24, 2014, 10:11:56 AM

My plan is to use taint analysis to link closely related accounts together. And we will limit the holding of these closely related accounts to 5 stakes, anything above that would be refunded.

We can't really say for sure all these related accounts is just one person. It is possible that a group of friends is buying via one big account holder and but one account still represent one person. It is a good thing if someone can draw a close friend or two of him into crypto because of this opportunity and then they can can help to promote NEM in differently ways locally. But I would like to restrict these groups to a maximum of 5 stakes.

I asked Kooream to compile population statistics so that we can see have a glimpse of how many unique accounts/ individuals we could have. I expect group 1, accounts created before the fundraising, consists mainly of unique accounts and as well as accounts in group 2, accounts created during the fundraising but engaged in more activities. Counting both groups, we already have roughly 1500 stakeholders, so that's a good thing.

It is expected that stakeholders can buy 1 more share for loved one/ family member as well so a certain percentage of group 3 account falls into this category. A certain portion accounts in group 3 are also unique accounts but they are not yet active so they should be able to keep their shares. The remaining are likely sockpuppet accounts and we will try to refund them using the taint analysis.

I have finished the unified list and will post them momentarily. Let's wait 1-2 days before we start the public auditing. There will be guidelines and bounties announced for the efforts. Generally the public auditing includes: public checking for errors, discrepancies in the stakeholder list; public checking for big multi-accouter using taint analysis.

UP

That sound s goods. I think the distribution of the stakes should be equal and not too much for only 1 person.

xtester

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Risk taker & Black Swan farmer.

Quote from: crackerhead on February 24, 2014, 04:09:26 PM

Shameless repost, we need community members to get involved for this to be great!

nemcoin.info
Current Versions are at:
http://oddape.co/AwkwardTheme/index1.9.8.html (black theme)
and
http://oddape.co/AwkwardTheme/index1.9.7.html (blue theme)

Google Docs:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gbp1rivOTFZvtBG0_rJabUyyKbDuZjMBx9jiifBJO0c/edit?usp=sharing (nemcoin.info proposal)

Please give me your input, I have appreciated all the suggestions so far! Do you like the black or blue theme? I prefer the blue theme as I think it is more welcoming, but the black theme would go well with ournem.com

This site is built on the bootstrap framework, so it is super optimized for fullscreen and mobile sizes (I will optimize it for tablets later, but it still looks ok there for now)
Also. an "updates" section will be the next thing I implement into the site.

I can use more pictures, etc for the website!!! If I use your images/graphics/pictures whatever in the final design, You will receive some NEM from me shortly after launch.
A great part of this website will be the “case study” (read all about it in the google docs).
Any merchant or charity or fellow stakeholder that wants to get involved please post at this thread:
http://nemcoin.userboard.net/t45-nemcoininfo
read the google docs for more info on how you can help, thanks!

A lot of good work is being done!

My opinion is that while the websites contains all the necessary info(probably a bit to much on the frontpage), the design is a bit too complex or not simple enough.

The colors should draw attention, but they should not hinder the user's reading experience. I think the colors used now are both too disturbing for the eyes. We need to set a warm and interesting background, but the focus is on the reading experience and general user experience. The background should be clear and calming, pointing to the information we provide to the user. Less is more. That's the key.

An interesting option would be to set a smaller width to the site(better readability again) use the blue and gray theme but make it warmer and add a bit of transparency.

The font used under Financial Freedom, Live Case Study and Fair Distribution(Please correct the Fair Distribution spelling on the website) seems somewhat hard to read. Maybe a more readable font would do the trick.

Another thing is that between the transition form the blue Financial Freedom div/part to the gray About Nem div/part there shouldn't be another small picture part. That applies to the entire page where Community, FAQ'S, HOW TO GUIDES and Wallet Downloads are. We should either use bigger divs with pictures between the colors or alternate colors, but the small color divs and small picture divs don't seem get along together.

Here is one example I found on my first quick search that emulates with some of my thoughts.

It is far from perfect but it's clear and simple. Unfortunately it doesn't have a good readability either but it uses the colors in an interesting way.

https://hall.com/

Just some toughts. Hope it helps.

conbos

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Quote from: j23a on February 25, 2014, 03:34:47 AM

Quote from: Jonasbarmer on February 25, 2014, 03:30:07 AM

Quote from: patmast3r on February 25, 2014, 02:16:32 AM

Quote from: 2Kool4Skewl on February 24, 2014, 11:41:58 PM

"Utopian"Future the community has voted that I should have my stake. Justice has prevailed! GIVE ME MY STAKE BACK!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5352912

You've had your stake back since the list was released. You're so busy trolling that you didn't even notice.
Maybe now that your but doesn't hurt so much anymore you can start being a productive member of NEM ?

Hopefully it was the right decision to give him back his stake. In my opinion he should get nothing at all in regard of his behavior and we would better spend his stake to a charity-organization. But i could be wrong.
It could be also a positive sign to all outside NEM. The time will show the true character of 2kool. If he remains a troll or if he get a true member of our community.

I hope you value high this huge chance 2kool!

In regards to his character, he already showed it. If he starts acting in a more reasonable, less troll of a way, it won't change his character, he would still be the same person.

Hard to believe that a senior member of this forum can show such childish behavior. But, to finished, I'm glad that he can hold his stake and have the opportunity to act more reasonably. This speak very good about this community!

j23a

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Quote from: Jonasbarmer on February 25, 2014, 03:30:07 AM

Quote from: patmast3r on February 25, 2014, 02:16:32 AM

Quote from: 2Kool4Skewl on February 24, 2014, 11:41:58 PM

"Utopian"Future the community has voted that I should have my stake. Justice has prevailed! GIVE ME MY STAKE BACK!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5352912

You've had your stake back since the list was released. You're so busy trolling that you didn't even notice.
Maybe now that your but doesn't hurt so much anymore you can start being a productive member of NEM ?

Hopefully it was the right decision to give him back his stake. In my opinion he should get nothing at all in regard of his behavior and we would better spend his stake to a charity-organization. But i could be wrong.
It could be also a positive sign to all outside NEM. The time will show the true character of 2kool. If he remains a troll or if he get a true member of our community.

I hope you value high this huge chance 2kool!

In regards to his character, he already showed it. If he starts acting in a more reasonable, less troll of a way, it won't change his character, he would still be the same person.

Jonasbarmer

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Activity: 46

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Quote from: patmast3r on February 25, 2014, 02:16:32 AM

Quote from: 2Kool4Skewl on February 24, 2014, 11:41:58 PM

"Utopian"Future the community has voted that I should have my stake. Justice has prevailed! GIVE ME MY STAKE BACK!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5352912

You've had your stake back since the list was released. You're so busy trolling that you didn't even notice.
Maybe now that your but doesn't hurt so much anymore you can start being a productive member of NEM ?

Hopefully it was the right decision to give him back his stake. In my opinion he should get nothing at all in regard of his behavior and we would better spend his stake to a charity-organization. But i could be wrong.
It could be also a positive sign to all outside NEM. The time will show the true character of 2kool. If he remains a troll or if he get a true member of our community.

I hope you value high this huge chance 2kool!

crackerhead

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Activity: 252

Merit: 251

My Head is a Ritz

Quote from: patmast3r on February 25, 2014, 02:19:32 AM

Quote from: bluewhackadoo on February 25, 2014, 12:37:00 AM

Quote from: crackerhead on February 24, 2014, 04:09:26 PM

Shameless repost, we need community members to get involved for this to be great!

nemcoin.info
Current Versions are at:
http://oddape.co/AwkwardTheme/index1.9.8.html (black theme)
and
http://oddape.co/AwkwardTheme/index1.9.7.html (blue theme)

Google Docs:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gbp1rivOTFZvtBG0_rJabUyyKbDuZjMBx9jiifBJO0c/edit?usp=sharing (nemcoin.info proposal)

Please give me your input, I have appreciated all the suggestions so far! Do you like the black or blue theme? I prefer the blue theme as I think it is more welcoming, but the black theme would go well with ournem.com

This site is built on the bootstrap framework, so it is super optimized for fullscreen and mobile sizes (I will optimize it for tablets later, but it still looks ok there for now)
Also. an "updates" section will be the next thing I implement into the site.

I can use more pictures, etc for the website!!! If I use your images/graphics/pictures whatever in the final design, You will receive some NEM from me shortly after launch.
A great part of this website will be the “case study” (read all about it in the google docs).
Any merchant or charity or fellow stakeholder that wants to get involved please post at this thread:
http://nemcoin.userboard.net/t45-nemcoininfo
read the google docs for more info on how you can help, thanks!

Add another vote for blue color. I'll set aside time to digest all the website content soon and try to give some constructive feedback, first impression is you are doing some top notch work. Thank you.

For the sake of completion i wanted to post my suggestion for the color sheme as well.

https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/52fad1d4f9dae58171699f3f/52fd86bc9266088a229100e4/8322192364fbbd0637d044078b006173/nem_web.png

Yes that does look good. Sorry I forgot about your suggestion, I am leaning towards black logo with blue theme right now.

conbos

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Activity: 94

Merit: 10

Quote from: patmast3r on February 25, 2014, 02:16:32 AM

Quote from: 2Kool4Skewl on February 24, 2014, 11:41:58 PM

"Utopian"Future the community has voted that I should have my stake. Justice has prevailed! GIVE ME MY STAKE BACK!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5352912

You've had your stake back since the list was released. You're so busy trolling that you didn't even notice.
Maybe now that your but doesn't hurt so much anymore you can start being a productive member of NEM ?

Agree with patmast3r... 2Kool, you strongly fight for your right over one stake of a new crypto currency that so far, doesn't convince you. I hope that, during this process you have change your mind, leave your agenda apart and be able to collaborate. I don't think I may remember you that not only your rights but your duties are also prevailed. I guess, you can be neutral, but hurting continuously the project is not a compatible condition with being a stakeholder

patmast3r

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Activity: 980

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Quote from: bluewhackadoo on February 25, 2014, 12:37:00 AM

Quote from: crackerhead on February 24, 2014, 04:09:26 PM

Shameless repost, we need community members to get involved for this to be great!

nemcoin.info
Current Versions are at:
http://oddape.co/AwkwardTheme/index1.9.8.html (black theme)
and
http://oddape.co/AwkwardTheme/index1.9.7.html (blue theme)

Google Docs:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gbp1rivOTFZvtBG0_rJabUyyKbDuZjMBx9jiifBJO0c/edit?usp=sharing (nemcoin.info proposal)

Please give me your input, I have appreciated all the suggestions so far! Do you like the black or blue theme? I prefer the blue theme as I think it is more welcoming, but the black theme would go well with ournem.com

This site is built on the bootstrap framework, so it is super optimized for fullscreen and mobile sizes (I will optimize it for tablets later, but it still looks ok there for now)
Also. an "updates" section will be the next thing I implement into the site.

I can use more pictures, etc for the website!!! If I use your images/graphics/pictures whatever in the final design, You will receive some NEM from me shortly after launch.
A great part of this website will be the “case study” (read all about it in the google docs).
Any merchant or charity or fellow stakeholder that wants to get involved please post at this thread:
http://nemcoin.userboard.net/t45-nemcoininfo
read the google docs for more info on how you can help, thanks!

Add another vote for blue color. I'll set aside time to digest all the website content soon and try to give some constructive feedback, first impression is you are doing some top notch work. Thank you.

For the sake of completion i wanted to post my suggestion for the color sheme as well.

https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/52fad1d4f9dae58171699f3f/52fd86bc9266088a229100e4/8322192364fbbd0637d044078b006173/nem_web.png

patmast3r

hero member

Activity: 980

Merit: 1001

Quote from: 2Kool4Skewl on February 24, 2014, 11:41:58 PM

"Utopian"Future the community has voted that I should have my stake. Justice has prevailed! GIVE ME MY STAKE BACK!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5352912

You've had your stake back since the list was released. You're so busy trolling that you didn't even notice.
Maybe now that your but doesn't hurt so much anymore you can start being a productive member of NEM ?

patmast3r

hero member

Activity: 980

Merit: 1001

Quote from: mikehoward on February 24, 2014, 08:07:41 PM

I post a pm to utopianfuture because my hash was stolem, them I post in the nem stake complains, and I don`t appear in the stakeholder list.
Fotonburnm appear in my place.

https://blockchain.info/es/tx/2007a34ca9c7d86542089f727fb336de342f71b810657126fa127ccbe65bae68

https://blockchain.info/es/tx/f5c403a08d5b8dfd5227eb64483caf3608535f3577b5c54d20de6e96704d8c77

You are there.

CTRL + F

Is that news to everyone ?
I knew we attracted newbies but the inability to find a single word in a spreadsheet that many users are showing is just astounding.

makoto1337

legendary

Activity: 1596

Merit: 1000

I am not Dorian Nakamoto.

This is the type of world we are trying to replace.

http://www.coindesk.com/cash-invented-seen-media-today/

bluewhackadoo

sr. member

Activity: 406

Merit: 252

Quote from: crackerhead on February 24, 2014, 04:09:26 PM

Shameless repost, we need community members to get involved for this to be great!

nemcoin.info
Current Versions are at:
http://oddape.co/AwkwardTheme/index1.9.8.html (black theme)
and
http://oddape.co/AwkwardTheme/index1.9.7.html (blue theme)

Google Docs:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gbp1rivOTFZvtBG0_rJabUyyKbDuZjMBx9jiifBJO0c/edit?usp=sharing (nemcoin.info proposal)

Please give me your input, I have appreciated all the suggestions so far! Do you like the black or blue theme? I prefer the blue theme as I think it is more welcoming, but the black theme would go well with ournem.com

This site is built on the bootstrap framework, so it is super optimized for fullscreen and mobile sizes (I will optimize it for tablets later, but it still looks ok there for now)
Also. an "updates" section will be the next thing I implement into the site.

I can use more pictures, etc for the website!!! If I use your images/graphics/pictures whatever in the final design, You will receive some NEM from me shortly after launch.
A great part of this website will be the “case study” (read all about it in the google docs).
Any merchant or charity or fellow stakeholder that wants to get involved please post at this thread:
http://nemcoin.userboard.net/t45-nemcoininfo
read the google docs for more info on how you can help, thanks!

Add another vote for blue color. I'll set aside time to digest all the website content soon and try to give some constructive feedback, first impression is you are doing some top notch work. Thank you.

Elena82

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Activity: 228

Merit: 100

I admit, it was a bit funny to read, that some people want to get their hands on a lot of shares. They do not realize that their capital will remain on paper and will not cost anything. After starting the project, each participant will need to give some of their coins to others for free.

Why would you now make exchange future contracts where investors could now put up for sale their future coins. At the time of launch of the project it thus already formed the price and it will be an additional method of promotion ..

makoto1337

legendary

Activity: 1596

Merit: 1000

I am not Dorian Nakamoto.

Maybe if 2Kool4Skewl adds a link to http://www.ournem.com/ and starts supporting our work, then people might take him more seriously.

I think we could all benefit by working together. There's more than enough room for innovation in the crypto community.

startselect

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Activity: 313

Merit: 250

Quote from: 2Kool4Skewl on February 24, 2014, 11:41:58 PM

"Utopian"Future the community has voted that I should have my stake. Justice has prevailed! GIVE ME MY STAKE!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5352912

Why not put an official vote and let the people here know about it, vs only your entourage that follows you here to back you up when you start complaining? I didn't know about such a vote. But been following the hell you've been causing here, reading your comment just by going to your profile.

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