[NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread - page 347.

TauMuon

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Wow, this has boiled over...

I feel like this will be an unpopular opinion, but I do have sympathy for AAAple. I also feel slightly perplexed as to the reasoning behind his/her removal from the stakeholder list. (S)he posted a logo AND made the effort to describe what it should be like.

I may not know the full story, but it seems a bit harsh to go out of your way to remove his/her stake? I'm saying nothing about the quality of the logo, but I've seen a lot of other logos just as 'bad'.

That's just my two cents on the matter.

utopianfuture

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To clarify you were not being removed. You were never in because your post did not qualify the promotional condition of that page.

AAAple12

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Quote from: sevenyears26 on February 24, 2014, 09:31:23 PM

Isn't there a complaints thread for these issues? I am annoyed that the topic of discussion on this board is being disrupted by the issues of one person. If you have a complaint go through the proper channels. Please do not force EVERY member of this thread to sit through the resolution of YOUR ONE issue. That is not what this is for. This is the stake complaints thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nem-nem-stake-complaint-questions-etc-450200

No one was responding adequately there. I also thought it was so stupidly outrageous that the whole community should know. But apparently you, and everyone else, don't care that someone has had their stake taken from them, so long as you have yours. You just want to push us away to argue somewhere where you can't see us. You obviously don't care about me, so why should I care about you? If my issue was resolved appropriately then none of this would have happened.

Also, 'MY ONE issue' happens to be my stake being removed for no reason; nothing trivial. I want answers.

Unfortunately I very much doubt my 'issue' will be resolved. Stubbornness is a disappointingly common trait.

AAAple12

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Once again, I can completely rip apart your response. I haven't had a single explanation from anyone yet that makes sense. It's like everyone just obeys and sides with Utopian's decisions like sheep, even if their arguments make no sense.

Quote from: AAAple12 on February 02, 2014, 02:41:14 PM

You obviously were not REALLY trying and cared not one bit but cheap way to get a stake.

You can't start criticising one method of achieving a stake against another. I simply used one of a variety of methods detailed in the original post to claim a stake. Saying one method is superior to another lacks any kind of argumentative strength.

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It was pretty simple. If you'd shown a real attempt and not a bs logo, maybe people would be sympathetic.

The only reason I had my stake REMOVED (not simply not added, but removed after being accepted for weeks!) was because it was linked to Imgur and not displayed right in the post. I regret making the decision to make my post look tidier now. And, for the thousandth time, it's quality is your opinion and is NOT an issue here.

makoto1337

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I am not Dorian Nakamoto.

Quote from: Jaguar0625 on February 24, 2014, 08:34:33 AM

Quote from: sepehr on February 24, 2014, 03:08:08 AM

Quote from: ashapasa on February 24, 2014, 02:55:39 AM

Quote from: sepehr on February 24, 2014, 02:40:50 AM

Guys ignore 2Kool!

Pleas consider my Idea about Crypto Company or Company account in Crypto world:

We can arrange for a company account!
We can have two type of accounts, Personal accounts and company accounts like any Bank.
Personal accounts can act just like normal currency accounts. One person have the total control over the account while he/she have it's credentials.
But Company accounts can include several personal accounts. each personal account is a member of board of company and can participate in decisions.
Company board members can decide how the payments from company account should be made.
They will vote for a logical order that showing how payments from company account should be made.

For example:

Payments from Company Account(CA) can be confirmed if "Personal Account A"(PS-A) confirm it.
Payments from CA can be confirmed if "PS-A and PS-B" confirm it.
Payments from CA can be confirmed if "PS-A or (PS-B and PS-C)" confirm it.

So in this case the system can:

1-Form a company in virtual world.
2-The company board can take decisions according to the voting system we implemented separately for a "logical order".
3-payments from company can be made according to combination of Personal entities defined in "logical order"
4-Members of board at anytime can change the "logical order" of company so they can change the CEO of company as they wish.
5-The company after forming can announce Assets in Asset exchange feature. so everyone can be a stake holder of an asset of company. And receive dividends.

It's just a new Idea aroused in my mind!

I think every one that implement this idea in his currency will have the future!

Sorry, I don't completely understand. You want to open a NEM Bank? with a board of directors consisting of account holders who will create assets and divide the profit? What assets do u have in mind? Who keeps the deposits, who has access and how can they be trusted?

No No! ashapasa!

I just want to have company account with NEM just like personal account that we have now in NEX or any other crypto currency.

I remember that you told that you are ready to help on creating localbitcoin like company in your own country.

So be it!

You, me and several other people join together and form a company identity.
We can open a company account in NEM and choose a CEO and CEO have the right to send money from company account.

If he is not good we can change it!

We form a company in crypto world and I call it Crypto company.

It'll be brilliant if we can implement it!!!

Just reposting my response in PM:

I was brainstorming on how to support "collective" accounts, which is somewhat aligned with your idea.

The scenario I had in mind was user A announces a bounty, N users contribute to the bounty.

Bounty is completed by user B. Bounty is paid to user B when user A and some percentage of the bounty contributors sign off on it.

This is similar to bullets 1 and 3.

I'm not sure if this will make it in the first version of NEM since we have a lot of other development to do

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This is a really cool idea and it would be fun to implement. It is not too different from escrows, right?

sevenyears26

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Quote from: AAAple12 on February 24, 2014, 08:58:26 PM

Quote from: BitZCoin on February 24, 2014, 08:19:31 PM

-------> I even don't want to read this anymore, the guy is starting to annoy me and I think half of the Members here think equal.

"The rule was to make a logo and put in in your post so everyone can see. Not just make a logo put a link there and forget about it. Maybe you can develop the logo a bit more and put it in a post here then I will add you in. Everyone else made an extra effort to put the logo in a post back then, I guess it is fair you should make an extra effort now."

It's really not so hard to understand what his chance would be to get his stake back. There's no reason to discuss about or to argue for something.
Take it, or leave it!

I couldn't possibly care any less if what I am saying is annoying you. Your complaints mean absolutely nothing to me. All I am doing is standing up to myself against the apparent injustice against me.

Again, it's all well and good you saying this, comfortably sat on your own stake. It must be very easy to passingly declare with false authority that I am, for some strange convoluted reason, less-entitled to one than everyone else. I wonder if you would amicably submit to losing your stake for a disturbingly baseless reason.

I would have gone away and improve my logo idea, if it had been made clear to me immediately that my post was somehow 'inadequate'. However, the quality of my logo is not the issue here. It's the way it was delivered; as an Imgur link. Why should I have to go away to 'improve' my logo when no one else who made logos of similar quality have to?

I honestly cannot fathom why this has happened. At all. I will continue to argue my point until (a) I get my stake back, or (b) I understand why I lost my stake. Only when I get my stake back will I 'develop my logo a bit more' and contribute to this community. As I've said before, I WANT NEM to succeed. I WANT to be part of this. I am NOT trying to cause a fuss. The fuss has been caused 100% by my removal from the list.

Isn't there a complaints thread for these issues? I am annoyed that the topic of discussion on this board is being disrupted by the issues of one person. If you have a complaint go through the proper channels. Please do not force EVERY member of this thread to sit through the resolution of YOUR ONE issue. That is not what this is for. This is the stake complaints thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nem-nem-stake-complaint-questions-etc-450200

dwma

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Quote from: AAAple12 on February 24, 2014, 08:58:26 PM

I honestly cannot fathom why this has happened. At all. I will continue to argue my point until (a) I get my stake back, or (b) I understand why I lost my stake. Only when I get my stake back will I 'develop my logo a bit more' and contribute to this community. As I've said before, I WANT NEM to succeed. I WANT to be part of this. I am NOT trying to cause a fuss. The fuss has been caused 100% by my removal from the list.

It was not "disturbingly baseless."

If you can find someone else who Posted image but in outbound link then you might have a point, but you haven't.

You just play dumb on a design where you didn't even resize the middle letter appropriately. Easier to put it on an outbound link when it is so horrible. Do you expect utopianfuture to go around chasing outbound links ? Why would anyone else comment on it? You obviously were not REALLY trying and cared not one bit but cheap way to get a stake.

It was pretty simple. If you'd shown a real attempt and not a bs logo, maybe people would be sympathetic.

AAAple12

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Quote from: BitZCoin on February 24, 2014, 08:19:31 PM

-------> I even don't want to read this anymore, the guy is starting to annoy me and I think half of the Members here think equal.

"The rule was to make a logo and put in in your post so everyone can see. Not just make a logo put a link there and forget about it. Maybe you can develop the logo a bit more and put it in a post here then I will add you in. Everyone else made an extra effort to put the logo in a post back then, I guess it is fair you should make an extra effort now."

It's really not so hard to understand what his chance would be to get his stake back. There's no reason to discuss about or to argue for something.
Take it, or leave it!

I couldn't possibly care any less if what I am saying is annoying you. Your complaints mean absolutely nothing to me. All I am doing is standing up to myself against the apparent injustice against me.

Again, it's all well and good you saying this, comfortably sat on your own stake. It must be very easy to passingly declare with false authority that I am, for some strange convoluted reason, less-entitled to one than everyone else. I wonder if you would amicably submit to losing your stake for a disturbingly baseless reason.

I would have gone away and improve my logo idea, if it had been made clear to me immediately that my post was somehow 'inadequate'. However, the quality of my logo is not the issue here. It's the way it was delivered; as an Imgur link. Why should I have to go away to 'improve' my logo when no one else who made logos of similar quality have to?

I honestly cannot fathom why this has happened. At all. I will continue to argue my point until (a) I get my stake back, or (b) I understand why I lost my stake. Only when I get my stake back will I 'develop my logo a bit more' and contribute to this community. As I've said before, I WANT NEM to succeed. I WANT to be part of this. I am NOT trying to cause a fuss. The fuss has been caused 100% by my removal from the list.

AAAple12

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Quote from: ThePatient on February 24, 2014, 08:00:13 PM

This thread has been nothing but bad vibes lately

Come on. Get over whatever the hell it is and start thinking of how to see NEM succeed.

2kool4school was a troll.

I, however, have been robbed of my stake for a strange, stupid reason, so why should I think about how NEM could succeed if I'm now not part of it?

BitZCoin

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Quote from: AAAple12 on February 24, 2014, 08:05:21 PM

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The promotion condition changed every 10 pages

What's that got to do with anything?

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Since the beginning of registration thread 2 on I was pretty clear that the logo/ picture had to be on the post.

It was on my post, just as an Imgur link.

But I assume you mean 'visibly' on the post. In which case, no, you categorically weren't clear.

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I did write a dozen of posts along thread 2 about that issue. I think you did not take notice.

I have been reading this thread since it's inception, nothing here. Why would I continue to read through the stakeholder thread after I've submitted something there and after I've seen a 'y' next to my name on the Google Docs spreadsheet?

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The purpose of the condition is that so everyone in thread could see the logo without following an outbound link.

That would have been handy to know from the start. Besides, there is nothing harmful about an Imgur link, so what's the problem with following an outbound link?

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And that's one condition of the logo/ branding resource promotion.

Again, you just did not say this when I posted.

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Could someone with a logo submission that posted the link but was asked by me to post the logo directly in the post come here and verify ?

I don't care if someone verifies this. Why should I? What matters is that you didn't respond to my submission. It comes down to you not making it clear enough, meaning I now cannot be part of NEM because of some asinine technicality.

-------> I even don't want to read this anymore, the guy is starting to annoy me and I think half of the Members here think equal.

"The rule was to make a logo and put in in your post so everyone can see. Not just make a logo put a link there and forget about it. Maybe you can develop the logo a bit more and put it in a post here then I will add you in. Everyone else made an extra effort to put the logo in a post back then, I guess it is fair you should make an extra effort now."

It's really not so hard to understand what his chance would be to get his stake back. There's no reason to discuss about or to argue for something.
Take it, or leave it!

Quote from: schnötzel on February 24, 2014, 04:30:10 PM

The blue one is too loud. Black to dark Wink

Try another blue or cyan.

To get back to be productive - I think so, too. I like the idea with blue, but would try it a little bit brighter.

mikehoward

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I post a pm to utopianfuture because my hash was stolem, them I post in the nem stake complains, and I don`t appear in the stakeholder list.
Fotonburnm appear in my place.

https://blockchain.info/es/tx/2007a34ca9c7d86542089f727fb336de342f71b810657126fa127ccbe65bae68

https://blockchain.info/es/tx/f5c403a08d5b8dfd5227eb64483caf3608535f3577b5c54d20de6e96704d8c77

AAAple12

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The promotion condition changed every 10 pages

What's that got to do with anything?

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Since the beginning of registration thread 2 on I was pretty clear that the logo/ picture had to be on the post.

It was on my post, just as an Imgur link.

But I assume you mean 'visibly' on the post. In which case, no, you categorically weren't clear.

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I did write a dozen of posts along thread 2 about that issue. I think you did not take notice.

I have been reading this thread since it's inception, nothing here. Why would I continue to read through the stakeholder thread after I've submitted something there and after I've seen a 'y' next to my name on the Google Docs spreadsheet?

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The purpose of the condition is that so everyone in thread could see the logo without following an outbound link.

That would have been handy to know from the start. Besides, there is nothing harmful about an Imgur link, so what's the problem with following an outbound link?

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And that's one condition of the logo/ branding resource promotion.

Again, you just did not say this when I posted.

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Could someone with a logo submission that posted the link but was asked by me to post the logo directly in the post come here and verify ?

I don't care if someone verifies this. Why should I? What matters is that you didn't respond to my submission. It comes down to you not making it clear enough, meaning I now cannot be part of NEM because of some asinine technicality.

ThePatient

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This thread has been nothing but bad vibes lately

Come on. Get over whatever the hell it is and start thinking of how to see NEM succeed.

utopianfuture

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Quote from: AAAple12 on February 24, 2014, 07:30:05 PM

Quote from: SZZT on February 24, 2014, 06:56:29 PM

Quote from: AAAple12 on February 24, 2014, 03:33:56 PM

It's ~~not~~ just me being an asshole!!!!11111!1!!!1!!11!!1!!ONE

Please stop with the attitude.
You should have read better, and you should stop choosing only some of the words in a statement.

There is an ongoing logo submission thread here https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=660

Please come there and submit your work, so that we can keep this thread tidy.
Thank you

What attitude? I'm just trying to get my head around why I haven't got a stake for what was perfectly acceptable at the time. As far as I'm aware I haven't been rude or lashed out, I'm just trying to claim my stake back. I actually want to be a part of NEM.

And what do you mean "You should have read better."?! It said "Make a logo to get a stake.", NOT "Make a logo to get a stake, BUT DON'T POST IT AS A LINK TO IMGUR, THAT'LL FORFEIT YOUR STAKE." Honestly I can't believe such a big issue has been made of it.

It's okay for you, loftily declaring "my attitude is bad" when you have your stake. I thought I was a part of NEM, but now it happens I am NOT, for some utterly bizarre reason.

Utopianfuture (And any of the other devs, they seems to be quiet about this issue), the following goes for you too:

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+ Make a logo, currency symbol for NEM and post in your reply thread, then you have reserved for a stake spot and you can also get a development stake spot. See bounties for more information.

Explain how what I offered does not comply with that?

I honestly do not want to taint this thread with arguing, but I really feel like NEM will do well, and I want to be a part of it. I have been expectantly looking forward to it for weeks now, only to find out that I no longer have a stake for a reason that had left me totally baffled.

I would appreciate a response, either here or as a PM. Thanks.

The promotion condition changed every 10 pages, and since the beginning of registration thread 2 on I was pretty clear that the logo/ picture had to be on the post. I did write a dozen of posts along thread 2 about that issue. I think you did not take notice. The purpose of the condition is that so everyone in thread could see the logo without following an outbound link. And that's one condition of the logo/ branding resource promotion. Could someone with a logo submission that posted the link but was asked by me to post the logo directly in the post come here and verify ?

AAAple12

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Quote from: SZZT on February 24, 2014, 06:56:29 PM

Quote from: AAAple12 on February 24, 2014, 03:33:56 PM

It's ~~not~~ just me being an asshole!!!!11111!1!!!1!!11!!1!!ONE

Please stop with the attitude.
You should have read better, and you should stop choosing only some of the words in a statement.

There is an ongoing logo submission thread here https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=660

Please come there and submit your work, so that we can keep this thread tidy.
Thank you

What attitude? I'm just trying to get my head around why I haven't got a stake for what was perfectly acceptable at the time. As far as I'm aware I haven't been rude or lashed out, I'm just trying to claim my stake back. I actually want to be a part of NEM.

And what do you mean "You should have read better."?! It said "Make a logo to get a stake.", NOT "Make a logo to get a stake, BUT DON'T POST IT AS A LINK TO IMGUR, THAT'LL FORFEIT YOUR STAKE." Honestly I can't believe such a big issue has been made of it.

It's okay for you, loftily declaring "my attitude is bad" when you have your stake. I thought I was a part of NEM, but now it happens I am NOT, for some utterly bizarre reason.

Utopianfuture (And any of the other devs, they seems to be quiet about this issue), the following goes for you too:

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+ Make a logo, currency symbol for NEM and post in your reply thread, then you have reserved for a stake spot and you can also get a development stake spot. See bounties for more information.

Explain how what I offered does not comply with that?

I honestly do not want to taint this thread with arguing, but I really feel like NEM will do well, and I want to be a part of it. I have been expectantly looking forward to it for weeks now, only to find out that I no longer have a stake for a reason that had left me totally baffled.

I would appreciate a response, either here or as a PM. Thanks.

AAAple12

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Quote from: dwma on February 24, 2014, 05:52:53 PM

Quote from: AAAple12 on February 24, 2014, 03:33:56 PM

Quote from: utopianfuture on February 24, 2014, 03:00:43 PM

Quote from: AAAple12 on February 24, 2014, 02:50:41 PM

Quote from: utopianfuture on February 24, 2014, 02:34:58 PM

Quote from: AAAple12 on February 24, 2014, 01:53:22 PM

well apparently i don't get a stake purely because i linked the logo i made to imgur instead of posting it directly in the reply

how is that fair? i still made a logo! Sad

i was so looking forward to being a part of NEM too.....

i know i'm not the only one this has hapened to so can i please ask if i can have the stake???

You can still win a development share. I still don't know how your logo looks.

if everyone else who made a logo got a normal stake, why dont i too?

this was my logo;

https://i.imgur.com/WNRvVB9.png

The rule was to make a logo and put in in your post so everyone can see. Not just make a logo put a link there and forget about it. Maybe you can develop the logo a bit more and put it in a post here then I will add you in. Everyone else made an extra effort to put the logo in a post back then, I guess it is fair you should make an extra effort now.

The rule was 'make a logo'! If you were that bothered about how it was delivered then you should have made it absolutely clear! I thought having a large logo would be considered spammy, taking up lots of space needlessly would mean the pages fill up faster, with less people. I now regret being so considerate.

Someone else must agree that this isn't fair? It's not just me being an asshole?

You may claim you were being over considerate, but you sure as hell weren't trying with that logo. I mean.. If I was to describe uninspired, I could use your coin as a basis. At least you found an non-English N in a font for the symbol. THere are guys that put in 20x more work into their logos....

Really dude, you didn't even size the N anywhere near the right size... come'on.

Huh, so it's the quality of my logo that's the problem now? There are a tonne of other shitty logos which got others a stake. Stop distracting from the issue: I made a logo, and didn't get a stake.

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Quote from: AAAple12 on February 24, 2014, 03:33:56 PM

It's ~~not~~ just me being an asshole!!!!11111!1!!!1!!11!!1!!ONE

Please stop with the attitude.
You should have read better, and you should stop choosing only some of the words in a statement.

There is an ongoing logo submission thread here https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=660

Please come there and submit your work, so that we can keep this thread tidy.
Thank you

atleticofa

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Quote from: Sharker on February 24, 2014, 11:34:48 AM

PNG logo (400x188 px) file with transparensy:
yadi.sk/d/NbCRl8rqJU45D

Good work. But I suggest change the below typography, but that rounded corners looks like Comic Sans Wink

dwma

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Quote from: AAAple12 on February 24, 2014, 03:33:56 PM

Quote from: utopianfuture on February 24, 2014, 03:00:43 PM

Quote from: AAAple12 on February 24, 2014, 02:50:41 PM

Quote from: utopianfuture on February 24, 2014, 02:34:58 PM

Quote from: AAAple12 on February 24, 2014, 01:53:22 PM

well apparently i don't get a stake purely because i linked the logo i made to imgur instead of posting it directly in the reply

how is that fair? i still made a logo! Sad

i was so looking forward to being a part of NEM too.....

i know i'm not the only one this has hapened to so can i please ask if i can have the stake???

You can still win a development share. I still don't know how your logo looks.

if everyone else who made a logo got a normal stake, why dont i too?

this was my logo;

The rule was to make a logo and put in in your post so everyone can see. Not just make a logo put a link there and forget about it. Maybe you can develop the logo a bit more and put it in a post here then I will add you in. Everyone else made an extra effort to put the logo in a post back then, I guess it is fair you should make an extra effort now.

The rule was 'make a logo'! If you were that bothered about how it was delivered then you should have made it absolutely clear! I thought having a large logo would be considered spammy, taking up lots of space needlessly would mean the pages fill up faster, with less people. I now regret being so considerate.

Someone else must agree that this isn't fair? It's not just me being an asshole?

You may claim you were being over considerate, but you sure as hell weren't trying with that logo. I mean.. If I was to describe uninspired, I could use your coin as a basis. At least you found an non-English N in a font for the symbol. THere are guys that put in 20x more work into their logos....

Really dude, you didn't even size the N anywhere near the right size... come'on.

cgminer-o

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1$ =1 MEC 2013 (2,56 $) 5$ =1MEC 2014 ?

Quote from: Kooream on February 24, 2014, 05:19:26 PM

Quote from: Coinshot on February 24, 2014, 04:38:48 PM

Quote from: utopianfuture on February 24, 2014, 10:54:53 AM

NEM official stakeholder list (before the public auditing).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlidWok7hW0DdHVfeU1BRFVoZkJ6QTRvcjc2cTQzQ2c#gid=0

From now on we will use this list instead of the previous stakeholder list which will be used for checking references only.

My name is on column G. Does that mean I get a stake?

Guys!

Try to use CTRL+f to find your names.

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