I see we have a strong German clique here 
Let's go with german speaking clique
Topic: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread - page 376. (Read 661525 times)
February 20, 2014, 11:35:13 AM
Let's go with german speaking clique
February 20, 2014, 11:35:08 AM
what the fuck ! i saw another coin, MEE TOO, they said they will exactly clone NEM.....
February 20, 2014, 11:33:48 AM
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1. I heard that Nem is different because you're translating the code. I don't think that's innovative.
2. I think POI is a flawed concept.
3. I'm not sure what is meant by "different types of node", maybe someone can enlighten me.
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1. I heard that Nem is different because you're translating the code. I don't think that's innovative.
2. I think POI is a flawed concept.
3. I'm not sure what is meant by "different types of node", maybe someone can enlighten me.
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I added the numbers in the above quite but i did not alter the text.
1. Translation is not the goal here. AFAIK NEM is also going to be built with JAVA so it's not the right word either. I think the goal is to have our own solid codebase and since quite a few things are being changed it's probably better to start over.
2. How so ? (I'm actually interested so plz do answer
)3. From the dev plan (I thought you read it ?):
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NEM will have two types of nodes: server nodes and normal nodes.
Server nodes will store a full blockchain history. The full blockchain will serve as a public ledger, which will be important in order to preserve blockchain explorer functionality. Server nodes will publish all nodes and also a consolidated snapshot.
Normal nodes will connect to the network and request a consolidated snapshot from the server nodes. This snapshot will contain balance information for all accounts as well information about outstanding orders. Snapshots will be made daily and will include data from all confirmed blocks. After syncing the snapshot, the client will need to sync all blocks that were made after the snapshot up to the current time. After syncing those blocks, the client will be ready to begin interacting with the NEM network.
This should minimize the amount of time it takes a fresh client to sync the full blockchain and get online.
A snapshot will be generated daily. When a new snapshot is confirmed by the blockchain, a special no-fee snapshot transaction will be sent to a special account. New clients can validate the most recent snapshot by using hash attached to the last transaction sent to the special account. Snapshots will be validated after 1440 confirmations.
Server nodes will store a full blockchain history. The full blockchain will serve as a public ledger, which will be important in order to preserve blockchain explorer functionality. Server nodes will publish all nodes and also a consolidated snapshot.
Normal nodes will connect to the network and request a consolidated snapshot from the server nodes. This snapshot will contain balance information for all accounts as well information about outstanding orders. Snapshots will be made daily and will include data from all confirmed blocks. After syncing the snapshot, the client will need to sync all blocks that were made after the snapshot up to the current time. After syncing those blocks, the client will be ready to begin interacting with the NEM network.
This should minimize the amount of time it takes a fresh client to sync the full blockchain and get online.
A snapshot will be generated daily. When a new snapshot is confirmed by the blockchain, a special no-fee snapshot transaction will be sent to a special account. New clients can validate the most recent snapshot by using hash attached to the last transaction sent to the special account. Snapshots will be validated after 1440 confirmations.
February 20, 2014, 11:32:12 AM
I am the one that stated, "Do not mistake us as just another cryptocurrency. We are a movement."
was that your statement?
https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,474.msg25154.html#msg25154
ok...
That "crypto - movement ..." discussions has been also earlier
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-a-movement-4141
But all those are just words. In the end matters only the way, how something is implemented. Will it reach its goals. Are people happy with it.
Probably some features and history of NXT were not felt so fair. Instead they might have caused that "envy", which may have been one spark to other cryptocurrencies
February 20, 2014, 11:31:55 AM
I also don't like to see people giving away their Nxt for nothing, which at this time, is what they have done. They have given it away for the promise of something in the future. When I posted "interested", I didn't know that Nem was going to start collecting Nxt and Btc. I think this collection is unethical, because I can't see anything worthy of a dev fund.
Hello.
It seems you have double standards!
This can also be translated to:
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I also don't like to see people giving away their BTC for nothing, which at this time, is what they have done. They have given it away for the promise of something in the future.
"they" = NXT investors at that time before end of Novmeber
At that time there was only a promise from the developer aka "BCNext"!
Do you consider NXT IPO at that time unethical too?
Anyway thanks for you criticism is good to open a debate over technical issues
like POI and coin security if you have any concerns abut his.
I hope the developers will be more than happy to answer your questions and to open debate
about this issues as in this way more ideas and solutions to the implementation will arise and
possible points of weakness will be removed.
February 20, 2014, 11:30:47 AM
February 20, 2014, 11:28:44 AM
I can't believe that by simply asking how Nem differs from Nxt it caused this reaction. I'm not trolling. I still don't understand how Nem is different from Nxt. I heard that Nem is different because you're translating the code. I don't think that's innovative. I think POI is a flawed concept. I'm not sure what is meant by "different types of node", maybe someone can enlighten me.
The only thing you did by removing me as a stakeholder was to consolidate the currency further. The good thing about Nxt's initial distribution is that at that time hardly anyone was interested and therefore I believe the stakes belong to different people. After the clones started and distribution was meted out simply by an "interested" comment, you had a lot of bitcointalk accounts posting "interested" that are controlled by the same individual. This isn't my biggest concern with Nem, but I don't think it is good.
My main concern is that Nem and Nxt have the exact same stated goal: "The creation of a new economic movement." I full-heartedly support this objective. I do not believe a division of resources best serves this purpose.
I also don't like to see people giving away their Nxt for nothing, which at this time, is what they have done. They have given it away for the promise of something in the future. When I posted "interested", I didn't know that Nem was going to start collecting Nxt and Btc. I think this collection is unethical, because I can't see anything worthy of a dev fund.
I try to be honest and fair in all my dealings. My intent is to strengthen "the new economic movement" not destroy it. I know the true economic movement was started with NXT by BCNext and I will support it to the end. Remember, I am the one that stated, "Do not mistake us as just another cryptocurrency. We are a movement."
Time will prove everything, the NEM will be successful！！！ The only thing you did by removing me as a stakeholder was to consolidate the currency further. The good thing about Nxt's initial distribution is that at that time hardly anyone was interested and therefore I believe the stakes belong to different people. After the clones started and distribution was meted out simply by an "interested" comment, you had a lot of bitcointalk accounts posting "interested" that are controlled by the same individual. This isn't my biggest concern with Nem, but I don't think it is good.
My main concern is that Nem and Nxt have the exact same stated goal: "The creation of a new economic movement." I full-heartedly support this objective. I do not believe a division of resources best serves this purpose.
I also don't like to see people giving away their Nxt for nothing, which at this time, is what they have done. They have given it away for the promise of something in the future. When I posted "interested", I didn't know that Nem was going to start collecting Nxt and Btc. I think this collection is unethical, because I can't see anything worthy of a dev fund.
I try to be honest and fair in all my dealings. My intent is to strengthen "the new economic movement" not destroy it. I know the true economic movement was started with NXT by BCNext and I will support it to the end. Remember, I am the one that stated, "Do not mistake us as just another cryptocurrency. We are a movement."
February 20, 2014, 11:25:27 AM
I try to be honest and fair in all my dealings. My intent is to strengthen "the new economic movement" not destroy it. I know the true economic movement was started with NXT by BCNext and I will support it to the end. Remember, I am the one that stated, "Do not mistake us as just another cryptocurrency. We are a movement."
Ha! True economic movement was started by BCNext by closing IPO earlier and giving all 1 billion NXT to 21 members.
You obviously confuse freedom from centralized economic systems with equal distribution to all.
Is there no one else you can bother?
Haven't you got a wife or cat, dog you can bother?
Here is nobody who wants to read your rubbish !!!!!!!Possibly you got banned in NXT-commonity for doing the same like here!
@UP: Please ban him - he had enough chances to be a part of our community!
February 20, 2014, 11:22:24 AM
I am the one that stated, "Do not mistake us as just another cryptocurrency. We are a movement."
was that your statement?
https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,474.msg25154.html#msg25154
February 20, 2014, 11:20:50 AM
I try to be honest and fair in all my dealings. My intent is to strengthen "the new economic movement" not destroy it. I know the true economic movement was started with NXT by BCNext and I will support it to the end. Remember, I am the one that stated, "Do not mistake us as just another cryptocurrency. We are a movement."
Ha! True economic movement was started by BCNext by closing IPO earlier and giving all 1 billion NXT to 21 members.
You obviously confuse freedom from centralized economic systems with equal distribution to all.
Appears to be a movement where 9 users hold 76% of all Nxt. Wonderful!
February 20, 2014, 11:19:44 AM
2Kool4Skewl
Are you interested to be part of NEM or not?
If no; Good luck with NXT.
If yes; UP will add you to the list and we create some innovative stuff together. Remember that NEM is still being built. So anything is possible.
Let us know your answer.
Are you interested to be part of NEM or not?
If no; Good luck with NXT.
If yes; UP will add you to the list and we create some innovative stuff together. Remember that NEM is still being built. So anything is possible.
Let us know your answer.
February 20, 2014, 11:18:04 AM
The only thing you did by removing me as a stakeholder was to consolidate the currency further.
I will not respond to the rest of your comment (this has gone far enough) but ...
You have not been permanently removed as a stakeholder:
If 2Kool4Skewl wants to join back in, just say so before I make the unified stakeholder list and I will add him in.
February 20, 2014, 11:11:15 AM
I see we have a strong German clique here
YES
I´m happy to be a part of NEM and looking forward to the further development of this currency.
Nice greetings from Berlin, Germany
February 20, 2014, 11:10:54 AM
I am the one that stated, "Do not mistake us as just another cryptocurrency. We are a movement."
was that your statement?
February 20, 2014, 11:04:11 AM
I try to be honest and fair in all my dealings. My intent is to strengthen "the new economic movement" not destroy it. I know the true economic movement was started with NXT by BCNext and I will support it to the end. Remember, I am the one that stated, "Do not mistake us as just another cryptocurrency. We are a movement."
Ha! True economic movement was started by BCNext by closing IPO earlier and giving all 1 billion NXT to 21 members.
You obviously confuse freedom from centralized economic systems with equal distribution to all.
February 20, 2014, 10:59:25 AM
I try to be honest and fair in all my dealings. My intent is to strengthen "the new economic movement" not destroy it. I know the true economic movement was started with NXT by BCNext and I will support it to the end. Remember, I am the one that stated, "Do not mistake us as just another cryptocurrency. We are a movement."
Ha! True economic movement was started by BCNext by closing IPO earlier and giving all 1 billion NXT to 21 members.
February 20, 2014, 10:53:23 AM
Well said. I totally agree. As for your appreciation for active members, I am reading this Forum for many months now, butt never became a member because as a coffee shop owner I have no programming skills and no designer skills. Further I prefer to read what members with knowledge of crypto currency have to tell then to add my own nonsense. I'm into Btc and people can actually pay with Btc in my shop. I'll be the first to accept NEM, because I really like the principles of this new direction you guys are taking this.
That is spectacular! It's one thing having an innovate crypto, but having places to spend it and use it as an actual currency will solidify and strengthen it's position in the crypto world. It's just awesome people like you are already considering accepting NEM as payment barely a month after it's announcement. It's giving me high hopes for NEM's future. Kudos!
+1
So the first real life transaction could happen quite fast.
That would be a nice media campaign allready!
February 20, 2014, 10:51:56 AM
I might do some advertising on the btc-e trollbox. Does anyone know of any legit chatbots? I think I could get some people in here if we promises a small Nem giveaway for people joining up.
February 20, 2014, 10:50:46 AM
I can't believe that by simply asking how Nem differs from Nxt it caused this reaction. I'm not trolling. I still don't understand how Nem is different from Nxt. I heard that Nem is different because you're translating the code. I don't think that's innovative. I think POI is a flawed concept. I'm not sure what is meant by "different types of node", maybe someone can enlighten me.
The only thing you did by removing me as a stakeholder was to consolidate the currency further. The good thing about Nxt's initial distribution is that at that time hardly anyone was interested and therefore I believe the stakes belong to different people. After the clones started and distribution was meted out simply by an "interested" comment, you had a lot of bitcointalk accounts posting "interested" that are controlled by the same individual. This isn't my biggest concern with Nem, but I don't think it is good.
My main concern is that Nem and Nxt have the exact same stated goal: "The creation of a new economic movement." I full-heartedly support this objective. I do not believe a division of resources best serves this purpose.
I also don't like to see people giving away their Nxt for nothing, which at this time, is what they have done. They have given it away for the promise of something in the future. When I posted "interested", I didn't know that Nem was going to start collecting Nxt and Btc. I think this collection is unethical, because I can't see anything worthy of a dev fund.
I try to be honest and fair in all my dealings. My intent is to strengthen "the new economic movement" not destroy it. I know the true economic movement was started with NXT by BCNext and I will support it to the end. Remember, I am the one that stated, "Do not mistake us as just another cryptocurrency. We are a movement."
The only thing you did by removing me as a stakeholder was to consolidate the currency further. The good thing about Nxt's initial distribution is that at that time hardly anyone was interested and therefore I believe the stakes belong to different people. After the clones started and distribution was meted out simply by an "interested" comment, you had a lot of bitcointalk accounts posting "interested" that are controlled by the same individual. This isn't my biggest concern with Nem, but I don't think it is good.
My main concern is that Nem and Nxt have the exact same stated goal: "The creation of a new economic movement." I full-heartedly support this objective. I do not believe a division of resources best serves this purpose.
I also don't like to see people giving away their Nxt for nothing, which at this time, is what they have done. They have given it away for the promise of something in the future. When I posted "interested", I didn't know that Nem was going to start collecting Nxt and Btc. I think this collection is unethical, because I can't see anything worthy of a dev fund.
I try to be honest and fair in all my dealings. My intent is to strengthen "the new economic movement" not destroy it. I know the true economic movement was started with NXT by BCNext and I will support it to the end. Remember, I am the one that stated, "Do not mistake us as just another cryptocurrency. We are a movement."
February 20, 2014, 10:43:01 AM
I temporarily took 2Kool4Skewl from NEM stakeholder list as I understand that he does not want to be there. In the first 20 pages of the fundraising, many people do not entirely understand about the scope as well as purpose of NEM so it was easy just to post "interested" there by a mistake. Contrary to what used to be in the first page of the fundraising thread , NEM do offer refund after the announcement of detail development plan (probably in 2 weeks or so) so if someone does not feel they fit in with NEM community, they can leave voluntarily.
As written in ournem.com, at this stage NEM is first of all a community of which people share a certain ideas and goals and we going to build NEM/ Nemcoin as our decentralized payment platform together as we go along. I see no reason to keep people that are unhappy with NEM and this approach. There are no coins to share yet so it is not like we are taking anything from anyone. If 2Kool4Skewl wants to join back in, just say so before I make the unified stakeholder list and I will add him in.
The majority of NEM funding comes from Bitcoin and only about 30% of NEM stakeholders appear in NXT discussion before (see an excellent statistics by newcn) so I see NXT and NEM having quite a different demographics, also different technology and purposes. While I think there is a certain aspect of competition between the two blockchain, we can learn from each others as well. Some are developers of both NXT and NEM and they work across the aisle and I think that is a good thing. It will help advancing experiments and innovations in more directions. Compared to Bitcoin and other POW coins, NXT and NEM have more similarity and we can join force to emphasize our strength in a green economical network and highlight the problems with the computational arm-races used by Bitcoin and other POW coins. Let's focus on cooperation and innovation instead of envy and hatred as that are also NEM's core concepts and principles.
BTW, we appreciate active participants much more than passive ones/ investors. So contact me if you want to help in any way. Thanks.
As written in ournem.com, at this stage NEM is first of all a community of which people share a certain ideas and goals and we going to build NEM/ Nemcoin as our decentralized payment platform together as we go along. I see no reason to keep people that are unhappy with NEM and this approach. There are no coins to share yet so it is not like we are taking anything from anyone. If 2Kool4Skewl wants to join back in, just say so before I make the unified stakeholder list and I will add him in.
The majority of NEM funding comes from Bitcoin and only about 30% of NEM stakeholders appear in NXT discussion before (see an excellent statistics by newcn) so I see NXT and NEM having quite a different demographics, also different technology and purposes. While I think there is a certain aspect of competition between the two blockchain, we can learn from each others as well. Some are developers of both NXT and NEM and they work across the aisle and I think that is a good thing. It will help advancing experiments and innovations in more directions. Compared to Bitcoin and other POW coins, NXT and NEM have more similarity and we can join force to emphasize our strength in a green economical network and highlight the problems with the computational arm-races used by Bitcoin and other POW coins. Let's focus on cooperation and innovation instead of envy and hatred as that are also NEM's core concepts and principles.
BTW, we appreciate active participants much more than passive ones/ investors. So contact me if you want to help in any way. Thanks.
Well said. I totally agree. As for your appreciation for active members, I am reading this Forum for many months now, butt never became a member because as a coffee shop owner I have no programming skills and no designer skills. Further I prefer to read what members with knowledge of crypto currency have to tell then to add my own nonsense. I'm into Btc and people can actually pay with Btc in my shop. I'll be the first to accept NEM, because I really like the principles of this new direction you guys are taking this.
That is spectacular! It's one thing having an innovate crypto, but having places to spend it and use it as an actual currency will solidify and strengthen it's position in the crypto world. It's just awesome people like you are already considering accepting NEM as payment barely a month after it's announcement. It's giving me high hopes for NEM's future. Kudos!
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