My name isnt in the stakeholder list. I promoted NEM on redit https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4885917
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Topic: [NEM] Public auditing of stakeholder list - page 2. (Read 20669 times)
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My name isnt in the stakeholder list. I promoted NEM on redit https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4885917
I know this is a little late, and I am not sure why I did not think of it earlier.
If we can calculate all accounts that made transactions between eachother directly we can calculate all accounts which had made transactions between eachother indirectly to any degree using Floyds algorithm.
Woke up this morning and remembered this from basic algorithms.
If we can calculate all accounts that made transactions between eachother directly we can calculate all accounts which had made transactions between eachother indirectly to any degree using Floyds algorithm.
Woke up this morning and remembered this from basic algorithms.
yes, possibly some known algorithm could have been used for this problem
The time was running out and when remembering kruskals etc and thinking that there are 20 000 accounts, which would create quite a sparse graph, ended to use just a "10-step" data collector.
It took all accounts which were in the distance of 1, 2, 3, ... or 10 transactions from account X.
I was thinking that 10 steps should be enough, coz sockpuppets might not use so many steps and ..* *
Floyds alg. may find all paths, as every account is connected to each others at least via the genesis account. That might be interesting to check, if Floyds would find new connections
I know this is a little late, and I am not sure why I did not think of it earlier.
If we can calculate all accounts that made transactions between eachother directly we can calculate all accounts which had made transactions between eachother indirectly to any degree using Floyds algorithm.
Woke up this morning and remembered this from basic algorithms.
If we can calculate all accounts that made transactions between eachother directly we can calculate all accounts which had made transactions between eachother indirectly to any degree using Floyds algorithm.
Woke up this morning and remembered this from basic algorithms.
I did some thinking about NEM fundraising process and imo here are the rules that presents the best spirit of the NEM fundraising:
1. Everyone could reserve 1 stake in his own account so that we have 1 account/ 1 stake rule.
2. Stakeholders could reserve 1 stake for his loved one. To do that he/ she has to create an account for that person and reserve a stake from the new account.
3. Everyone could tell their friends/ relatives to reserve a NEM stake. They could even send them the money to do so as long as these friends/ relatives are interested in crypto and NEMs.
What's against NEM's fundraising spirit is that a stakeholder tried to reserve a lot of NEM stakes for himself which imo mainly because he think NEM stake could appreciate a lot in the future. In this case, we would refund
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Hashes with Bitcoin transactions appear to be fine.
1. Everyone could reserve 1 stake in his own account so that we have 1 account/ 1 stake rule.
2. Stakeholders could reserve 1 stake for his loved one. To do that he/ she has to create an account for that person and reserve a stake from the new account.
3. Everyone could tell their friends/ relatives to reserve a NEM stake. They could even send them the money to do so as long as these friends/ relatives are interested in crypto and NEMs.
What's against NEM's fundraising spirit is that a stakeholder tried to reserve a lot of NEM stakes for himself which imo mainly because he think NEM stake could appreciate a lot in the future. In this case, we would refund
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Hashes with Bitcoin transactions appear to be fine.
i sent 80 NXt
Date/Time Transaction Type Sender Recipient Amount Fee Attachment Confirmations
Out 26/01/2014 0:46:17 13847155466898086431 Ordinary payment 1334338925692560781 14343293611098709683 -80 -1 > 720
but i do not know where my name is indicated
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Quote from: utopianfuture on January 19, 2014, 03:09:00 AM
How to join after page 50. Two ways
1. Pay a fee to join in
Send 80 NXT to the address 14343293611098709683
Send 0.008 BTC to the address 1Lk5Paws9T1YpoSeLeZT7ZeSQKW7UNq4TJ
After you send the fee, include the transaction hash in your reply post in this thread, then you have reserved a stake spot.
Donation is welcome but not necessary
How to join after page 50. Two ways
1. Pay a fee to join in
Send 80 NXT to the address 14343293611098709683
Send 0.008 BTC to the address 1Lk5Paws9T1YpoSeLeZT7ZeSQKW7UNq4TJ
After you send the fee, include the transaction hash in your reply post in this thread, then you have reserved a stake spot.
Donation is welcome but not necessary
Hello,
I have a question regarding the stakeholder audit. I helped my family get into NEM and transferred them some NXT to cover the fee. I noticed on page 11 of this thread that my account was listed as a possible fraud. These are the user names of the family members that I transferred funds too.
XDM -> BabyK
XDM -> Sojourner1
XDM -> lilSunBeam
Do I need to worry about proving that everyone is a real person? If so how would I go about that?
Thanks!!
I have a question regarding the stakeholder audit. I helped my family get into NEM and transferred them some NXT to cover the fee. I noticed on page 11 of this thread that my account was listed as a possible fraud. These are the user names of the family members that I transferred funds too.
XDM -> BabyK
XDM -> Sojourner1
XDM -> lilSunBeam
Do I need to worry about proving that everyone is a real person? If so how would I go about that?
Thanks!!
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jkoil, how many accounts you have? Don't think you do all this work for one stake. You are trying to become the 'appointed' auditor so that no one finds you Pretty smart, heh?
BTW, I have 47 accounts. Catch me if you can.
BTW, I have 47 accounts. Catch me if you can.
are you from the most corrupted countries?
You seem to know how the authorities work
Nem police, is it corrupted? I have not thought so. I thought that they do audit work because they know math and codes. First, they can get a salary from that work. Maybe half a stake? Second, every fraudster they find, increases everyone's share by 1000 coins.
acc47, I bet you can count. Why you do that? Every fraudster they get, gives you 47000 coins. Are you really stupid, or are you not?
I have unfair advantage over those single accounts and over my fellow 'caught' multi account holders.
what advantage?
did you use NXT accounts or BTC or what?
Do you want my BTT account names?!! You should work in FBI.
Go find yourself.
I am sure you have 10+ stakes. But I have more stakes than you. Don't I?
I have unfair advantage over those single accounts and over my fellow 'caught' multi account holders.
what advantage?
did you use NXT accounts or BTC or what?
jkoil, how many accounts you have? Don't think you do all this work for one stake. You are trying to become the 'appointed' auditor so that no one finds you Pretty smart, heh?
BTW, I have 47 accounts. Catch me if you can.
I've written the data and methods here, everyone can use them.
Smart I'm not, if I haven't found the owner of 47 NXT accounts. (about BTC's idk)
No you wont. I have unfair advantage over those single accounts and over my fellow 'caught' multi account holders.
jkoil, how many accounts you have? Don't think you do all this work for one stake. You are trying to become the 'appointed' auditor so that no one finds you Pretty smart, heh?
BTW, I have 47 accounts. Catch me if you can.
I've written the data and methods here, everyone can use them.
Smart I'm not, if I haven't found the owner of 47 NXT accounts. (about BTC's idk)
Well - it does not get all of them because it only goes back one page of transactions (I can change that).
I noticed it did get the 'Moloch' chunk you were talking about in a past post, so I am assuming it is working ok.
howi53 -> danielsamba
I noticed it did get the 'Moloch' chunk you were talking about in a past post, so I am assuming it is working ok.
howi53 -> danielsamba
I saw my name in your list. You might have to modify your code because I paid through PayPal. So you might be getting people who paid through PayPal.
Hey, I found my name here in this list- but i don't know howi53.
I sent NXT from vircurex (3243382701527979272) after I created first time my NXT-Client to comply with NEM-fundraising requirements not to send NXT directly to the participation thread.
Up to this moment I haven't had a NXT-Client. I tried to install NXT-Client in january-days without success, so I let NXT on dgex and later on vircurex etc for trading purposes.
So what I can do now? I really don't know this guy!
... howi53 pas1991fan Abyss_X Scharfenberger Lboss dreggsagg have probably transferred their money directly from an exchange.
And if you have received your money from the same exchange, then that kind of connection can be created.
You all, who have the similar situation, just wait and the case is solved.
Those 6 have paid to NEM directly from 3243382701527979272.
When the data was collected, it was not noticed that 3243382701527979272 is an exchange.
There may be also other "unknown" exchange accounts, but if they have caused any mistakes, also those will be solved.
jkoil, how many accounts you have? Don't think you do all this work for one stake. You are trying to become the 'appointed' auditor so that no one finds you Pretty smart, heh?
BTW, I have 47 accounts. Catch me if you can.
Well - it does not get all of them because it only goes back one page of transactions (I can change that).
I noticed it did get the 'Moloch' chunk you were talking about in a past post, so I am assuming it is working ok.
howi53 -> danielsamba
I noticed it did get the 'Moloch' chunk you were talking about in a past post, so I am assuming it is working ok.
howi53 -> danielsamba
I saw my name in your list. You might have to modify your code because I paid through PayPal. So you might be getting people who paid through PayPal.
Hey, I found my name here in this list- but i don't know howi53.
I sent NXT from vircurex (3243382701527979272) after I created first time my NXT-Client to comply with NEM-fundraising requirements not to send NXT directly to the participation thread.
Up to this moment I haven't had a NXT-Client. I tried to install NXT-Client in january-days without success, so I let NXT on dgex and later on vircurex etc for trading purposes.
So what I can do now? I really don't know this guy!
... howi53 pas1991fan Abyss_X Scharfenberger Lboss dreggsagg have probably transferred their money directly from an exchange.
And if you have received your money from the same exchange, then that kind of connection can be created.
You all, who have the similar situation, just wait and the case is solved.
Those 6 have paid to NEM directly from 3243382701527979272.
When the data was collected, it was not noticed that 3243382701527979272 is an exchange.
There may be also other "unknown" exchange accounts, but if they have caused any mistakes, also those will be solved.
Thank you for your calmative answer.
But maybe you can understand me - i was shocked to find my name here in relation to an account I didn't know till today.
But maybe you can understand me - i was shocked to find my name here in relation to an account I didn't know till today.
Well - it does not get all of them because it only goes back one page of transactions (I can change that).
I noticed it did get the 'Moloch' chunk you were talking about in a past post, so I am assuming it is working ok.
howi53 -> danielsamba
I noticed it did get the 'Moloch' chunk you were talking about in a past post, so I am assuming it is working ok.
howi53 -> danielsamba
I saw my name in your list. You might have to modify your code because I paid through PayPal. So you might be getting people who paid through PayPal.
Hey, I found my name here in this list- but i don't know howi53.
I sent NXT from vircurex (3243382701527979272) after I created first time my NXT-Client to comply with NEM-fundraising requirements not to send NXT directly to the participation thread.
Up to this moment I haven't had a NXT-Client. I tried to install NXT-Client in january-days without success, so I let NXT on dgex and later on vircurex etc for trading purposes.
So what I can do now? I really don't know this guy!
Right now you don't have to do anything. The final list is not compiled yet. If you indeed show up in the final refundlist then you'll have to get back to us.
Even if you knew howi53 - a connection of 2 people isn't going to cause any refunds.
Well - it does not get all of them because it only goes back one page of transactions (I can change that).
I noticed it did get the 'Moloch' chunk you were talking about in a past post, so I am assuming it is working ok.
howi53 -> danielsamba
I noticed it did get the 'Moloch' chunk you were talking about in a past post, so I am assuming it is working ok.
howi53 -> danielsamba
I saw my name in your list. You might have to modify your code because I paid through PayPal. So you might be getting people who paid through PayPal.
Hey, I found my name here in this list- but i don't know howi53.
I sent NXT from vircurex (3243382701527979272) after I created first time my NXT-Client to comply with NEM-fundraising requirements not to send NXT directly to the participation thread.
Up to this moment I haven't had a NXT-Client. I tried to install NXT-Client in january-days without success, so I let NXT on dgex and later on vircurex etc for trading purposes.
So what I can do now? I really don't know this guy!
The auditing period is over and thanks everyone for contributing. Now I temporarily close the refunding list so that me, Patmast3r and Kooream can work on building a complete refunding list based on these input. We will publish a complete list after we are done.
Can I join the NEM stakeholders ? I missed your IPO 
If I heard somethink about your project at the good time, I would have paid for it, sure !
If I heard somethink about your project at the good time, I would have paid for it, sure !There is a seperate thread as a waiting list so I'm going to have to ask you to get in line
Plz search for the thread I currently don't have a link at hand.
Can I join the NEM stakeholders ? I missed your IPO If I heard somethink about your project at the good time, I would have paid for it, sure !
If I heard somethink about your project at the good time, I would have paid for it, sure ! strange! coins are sent back and forth! crass!
you should ban it! buy coins and do not send back and forth.
How can you only? Then comes the NEM police and arrested you!!!
you should ban it! buy coins and do not send back and forth.
How can you only? Then comes the NEM police and arrested you!!!
so dramatic
What else had you thought there is coming? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
We can sure be critical against the auditors, but maybe we should stick in the facts.
In the last pages they have explained their processes. No one has arrested you. Do you want to be arrested, do you have something on your heart?
In these pages are facts, no motives, no arrests.
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