[NEM] Public auditing of stakeholder list - page 7.

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Quote from: jkoil on March 07, 2014, 08:02:08 PM

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Quote from: jkoil on March 07, 2014, 07:10:16 PM

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Quote from: utopianfuture on March 02, 2014, 09:26:08 AM

I did some thinking about NEM fundraising process and imo here are the rules that presents the best spirit of the NEM fundraising:

1. Everyone could reserve 1 stake in his own account so that we have 1 account/ 1 stake rule.
2. Stakeholders could reserve 1 stake for his loved one. To do that he/ she has to create an account for that person and reserve a stake from the new account.
3. Everyone could tell their friends/ relatives to reserve a NEM stake. They could even send them the money to do so as long as these friends/ relatives are interested in crypto and NEMs.

"reserve a stake from the new account" is still the rule, "They could even send them the money " doesn't replace it.

You mean I definitely can't send nxt to friends for their stakes? I am a little confused with what you just said, sorry.

no, I don't mean that.
I mean that "reserve a stake from the new account" is still the rule.
In the statement that you bolded is still "to reserve a NEM stake". So also 3. item requires "reserve a stake from the new account" .

But is that not what we have done, he sent me the NXT to my wallet and then i reserved the stake with my own account? Huh

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: jkoil on March 07, 2014, 07:10:16 PM

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Quote from: utopianfuture on March 02, 2014, 09:26:08 AM

I did some thinking about NEM fundraising process and imo here are the rules that presents the best spirit of the NEM fundraising:

1. Everyone could reserve 1 stake in his own account so that we have 1 account/ 1 stake rule.
2. Stakeholders could reserve 1 stake for his loved one. To do that he/ she has to create an account for that person and reserve a stake from the new account.
3. Everyone could tell their friends/ relatives to reserve a NEM stake. They could even send them the money to do so as long as these friends/ relatives are interested in crypto and NEMs.

"reserve a stake from the new account" is still the rule, "They could even send them the money " doesn't replace it.

You mean I definitely can't send nxt to friends for their stakes? I am a little confused with what you just said, sorry.

no, I don't mean that.
I mean that "reserve a stake from the new account" is still the rule.
In the statement that you bolded is still "to reserve a NEM stake". So also 3. item requires "reserve a stake from the new account" . (I don't observe/address this part: "send them the money")

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howi53 pas1991fan Abyss_X Scharfenberger Lboss dreggsagg

Haha, this is quite obvious... referring to what jkoil posted.

EDIT: i can totally vouch for davethetrousers. Why is he on that list? He is totally legit!

Regards
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Quote from: leonardos on March 07, 2014, 06:51:36 PM

Quote from: bazka on March 07, 2014, 05:04:46 PM

Quote from: rougetrooper on March 07, 2014, 04:54:35 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Regardless of whatever anyone here thinks, we are a group of friends ( yes i do have them believe it or not) .But Utopia Future has clearly stated in a post earlier that he wishes to limit large groups of friends to 5 stakes. Therefor I shall have 9 of my friends quote and post here for a refund when they are able to. We will have to share. I did pay for most of them anyway.
I will tell them tomorrow.
I do not want to cause a massive argument.
Peace is a good thing.

i bought NXT off of moloch to buy the stake but it seems to be causing problems and spoke about all sharing five stakes
refund 550 NXT
Transaction id: 2187274269494885602
nxt address: 7397574498197696354

sorry for causing more work than needed really hoping to NEM takes off

Hello, I got some nxt from moloch too.
550 nxt
Transaction id: 10652313052149915760
Nxt address : 828243499558076116

Same...
500 nxt
Transaction id: 1261988046583793332
Nxt address: 14167091394367803765

Before any more of my friends request refunds, does this not apply to us?

Quote from: utopianfuture on March 02, 2014, 09:26:08 AM

I did some thinking about NEM fundraising process and imo here are the rules that presents the best spirit of the NEM fundraising:

1. Everyone could reserve 1 stake in his own account so that we have 1 account/ 1 stake rule.
2. Stakeholders could reserve 1 stake for his loved one. To do that he/ she has to create an account for that person and reserve a stake from the new account.
3. Everyone could tell their friends/ relatives to reserve a NEM stake. They could even send them the money to do so as long as these friends/ relatives are interested in crypto and NEMs.

"reserve a stake from the new account" is still the rule, "They could even send them the money " doesn't replace it.

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Quote from: bazka on March 07, 2014, 05:04:46 PM

Quote from: rougetrooper on March 07, 2014, 04:54:35 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Regardless of whatever anyone here thinks, we are a group of friends ( yes i do have them believe it or not) .But Utopia Future has clearly stated in a post earlier that he wishes to limit large groups of friends to 5 stakes. Therefor I shall have 9 of my friends quote and post here for a refund when they are able to. We will have to share. I did pay for most of them anyway.
I will tell them tomorrow.
I do not want to cause a massive argument.
Peace is a good thing.

i bought NXT off of moloch to buy the stake but it seems to be causing problems and spoke about all sharing five stakes
refund 550 NXT
Transaction id: 2187274269494885602
nxt address: 7397574498197696354

sorry for causing more work than needed really hoping to NEM takes off

Hello, I got some nxt from moloch too.
550 nxt
Transaction id: 10652313052149915760
Nxt address : 828243499558076116

Same...
500 nxt
Transaction id: 1261988046583793332
Nxt address: 14167091394367803765

jkoil

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another "pyramid's" data interpreted ...

Code:

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Kattywampus
357,166789159840509,Kattywampus, tx:16678915984050993845,4233168508471290698
http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=4233168508471290698
paid to NEM
and to http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=17610637528741567220 juda222000
who pays to NEM

and to http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=7291915387195963992 upnflames114
who pays to NEM

and to http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=490716124886939582 agamble
who pays to NEM
and to http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=17847006974897792658 alexgamble2
who pays to NEM

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Quote from: Oli2012 on March 07, 2014, 05:49:57 PM

Excerpt from http://coinmarketcap.com/volume.html#nxt
If you do not find out times, which Acc.-numbers are exchanges?

BTER     NXT/BTC    10715382765594435905
Cryptsy     NXT/BTC    ?
BTER     NXT/CNY    ?
DGEX     NXT/BTC    6635869272840226493
Poloniex     NXT/BTC ?
Vircurex     NXT/BTC    ?

This is likely Vircurex or BTER 3243382701527979272

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Excerpt from http://coinmarketcap.com/volume.html#nxt
If you do not find out times, which Acc.-numbers are exchanges?

BTER     NXT/BTC    10715382765594435905
Cryptsy     NXT/BTC    ?
BTER     NXT/CNY    ?
DGEX     NXT/BTC    6635869272840226493
Poloniex     NXT/BTC ?
Vircurex     NXT/BTC    ?

jkoil

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Second tower :

Code:

9 names paid from 1 NXT account to NEM

generalking breaking jessieca-xuu ttking lettersy
communing gxnfei Being-towards fk824158

http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=10739916011970556785&offset=21&filter=1

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Quote from: rougetrooper on March 07, 2014, 04:54:35 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Regardless of whatever anyone here thinks, we are a group of friends ( yes i do have them believe it or not) .But Utopia Future has clearly stated in a post earlier that he wishes to limit large groups of friends to 5 stakes. Therefor I shall have 9 of my friends quote and post here for a refund when they are able to. We will have to share. I did pay for most of them anyway.
I will tell them tomorrow.
I do not want to cause a massive argument.
Peace is a good thing.

i bought NXT off of moloch to buy the stake but it seems to be causing problems and spoke about all sharing five stakes
refund 550 NXT
Transaction id: 2187274269494885602
nxt address: 7397574498197696354

sorry for causing more work than needed really hoping to NEM takes off

Hello, I got some nxt from moloch too.
550 nxt
Transaction id: 10652313052149915760
Nxt address : 828243499558076116

SBOSS

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Start your Own Cryptocurrency Exchange

Interesting that people claim to have 9-12+ friends who wanted NEM.

What's your secret for convincing so many people?

jkoil

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High tower :

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12 names paid from one NXT account to NEM

magdapani allsops arseny joinmicah Jiesen pheromone
biscodyl Elated ¶ÿnpham blems nvaler notindexed

http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=3231774856984709013&offset=11&filter=1

and to http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=12474851959037297831 ? ? ?
   who paid to NEM
   and to JoshMPLS
   http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=18405154807305454317
   2395,150612967040135,JoshMPLS, tx:15061296704013530118,18405154807305454317
   who paid to NEM

Same tx id (and because of that same account here):
2316,15061296704013530118,Ambur190, tx:15061296704013530118,18405154807305454317, 1
2395,150612967040135,JoshMPLS, tx:15061296704013530118,18405154807305454317, 1

rougetrooper

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Regardless of whatever anyone here thinks, we are a group of friends ( yes i do have them believe it or not) .But Utopia Future has clearly stated in a post earlier that he wishes to limit large groups of friends to 5 stakes. Therefor I shall have 9 of my friends quote and post here for a refund when they are able to. We will have to share. I did pay for most of them anyway.
I will tell them tomorrow.
I do not want to cause a massive argument.
Peace is a good thing.

i bought NXT off of moloch to buy the stake but it seems to be causing problems and spoke about all sharing five stakes
refund 550 NXT
Transaction id: 2187274269494885602
nxt address: 7397574498197696354

sorry for causing more work than needed really hoping to NEM takes off

jkoil

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Not a pyramid but some flat building

Code:

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A group of six (howi53 pas1991fan Abyss_X Scharfenberger Lboss dreggsagg ) is ghosting everywhere, maybe because of their same account, which probably is exchange(?).
That group is ignored here.
From the rest is found connections:

irrawaddybtc
524,756379060410689,irrawaddybtc, tx:7563790604106897320,15590368575625625502
http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=15590368575625625502
pays to NEM
and to Arturro333

Arturro333
1343,106230358943386,Arturro333, tx:10623035894338605612,7111225371425141750
http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=7111225371425141750
pays to NEM
and
to http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=5810532812037266198 fRames6

2588,135640740488912,fRames6, tx:13564074048891214833,5810532812037266198
pays to NEM
and to ArvinPan
   http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=8180881956731236078
   627,708651266785274,ArvinPan, tx:7086512667852742085,8180881956731236078
   who pays to NEM

fRames6 pays to cntrlsquare
http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=13615613976047523808
360,258250919587045,cntrlsquare, tx:258250919587045337,13615613976047523808
who pays to NEM

fRames6 pays to WXGermany
2828,129441659780545,WXGermany, tx:12944165978054589568,9138771003783797280
http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=9138771003783797280
and pays to NEM

fRames6 paid to OLDH
1698,15871220445971211817,OLHD, tx:15871220445971211817,8639894066908583102
http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=8639894066908583102
who pays to NEM
and to http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=10535472106309128239&offset=11&filter=1 ? ? ?
   who pays to NEM

fRames6 paid to GWElli
2825,18545187137575,GWElli, tx:1854518713757501989,9607508387905383555
http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=9607508387905383555
who pays to NEM

fRames6 paid to lyka
2505,884540436725492,lyka, tx:884540436725492077,1709695356203875055
http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=1709695356203875055
who pays to NEM

It looks like the pyramid/building visualization works Undecided

If it works, then in those 2 lists
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=496112.msg5552636#msg5552636
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=496112.msg5552650#msg5552650
are still 5 bigger (7 - 15 names) and 15 smaller groups (3 - 5 names), which have not yet been in dzarmush's foundings.

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In my opinion, we try not to hurt anyone, even if they have 1000 parts, we are not saints, we each have a selfish side, for the people of excess stock, we should first consultation, cannot be solved through negotiation, and discuss the decision again, but no matter what decisions have at least that he has a shares.
My opinion: Understanding, tolerance, not confrontation
In addition, we still debate when the list,the other coins with concept of nxt and bitcoin apears:such as coin2 and faircoin.
as we know,they are free.

so we should hold together.

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Another wide pyramid :

Code:

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qingmu1992, tx:11614911645886603099,2312811777137580821
3 payments to NEM (self + 2 unknown )
http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=2312811777137580821

   - then sends money
  to http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=7163239920907299723 shiyang1992
and http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=8690371038790998433 moke1983
and http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=7968383640421747277 zhiyan1993
and http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=13086047733860211300 qq1949
and http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=8974395790932007447 huluwa12
and http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=15995794353745140052 moke1992
and http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=14567309650087644908 zaizai12
and http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=2685630417863227023 xiangping1968
and http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=11089706502495131287 xianglan

   who all 9 have only 2 tx's: receivement, and pay to NEM

Edit:

qingmu1992
paid to http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=9968506137018059284 lingyong1992
678,781446480315497,lingyong1992, tx:7814464803154971271,9968506137018059284, 1
   who paid to NEM
   and
    to http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=14328797170298457080 opera1992
      786,104780335122069,opera1992, tx:10478033512206924612,14328797170298457080
    who paid to NEM

this tracing hopped to another other branch, where was two names detected, but lot of tx's to browse ...

This would take more time to clear all groups out ...

Code:

From the "pyramids" can be easily seen some groups and often there is eg. this kind, 
but the found group has only 3 members; source of money and his 2 friends . 
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Ged

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Maybe 'fake stakeholders' NEMcoins should be distributed in huge give-away thread? 500 NEM to every person, it will make coin really popular and bring it alive, huh?

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Quote from: patmast3r on March 07, 2014, 07:17:23 AM

Quote from: teletobi on March 07, 2014, 07:16:01 AM

Quote from: patmast3r on March 07, 2014, 07:02:53 AM

Quote from: teletobi on March 07, 2014, 06:58:40 AM

Hi,

I'm missing in the List. I registered for Stake at January 28, 2014, 11:25:17.

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On front page you say 160 and here it's 250, so what now?
Sorry, found it.
I just sent 185 NXT (25 were for Donation), but whats the NXT Transaction hash? I just know how to sign a Token, should I do that?

Too stupid me! Cheesy

185 NXT ID: 10073378770809430695
100 NXT ID: 10398856728354654807
So in sum 285. Change is Donation for Dev

Why am I missing? How can I prove? Was there a Fraud with my TXID?

I additionally created an Account for my wife some Days later, called 4nniK4, which is also missing. I'll post the next Minutes from that Account to prove.

You are both there. CTRL + F and the Tabs at the bottom of the spreadsheet - embrace it !

Thats what I did. I couldn't find us at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlidWok7hW0DdHVfeU1BRFVoZkJ6QTRvcjc2cTQzQ2c#gid=1

Or is this the fraudsters listing?

That's the right list and you are both there. You must be doing something wrong.

Now I got it. There are two Lists and I searched the wrong one...

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Quote from: teletobi on March 07, 2014, 06:58:40 AM

Hi,

I'm missing in the List. I registered for Stake at January 28, 2014, 11:25:17.

Quote

On front page you say 160 and here it's 250, so what now?
Sorry, found it.
I just sent 185 NXT (25 were for Donation), but whats the NXT Transaction hash? I just know how to sign a Token, should I do that?

Too stupid me! Cheesy

185 NXT ID: 10073378770809430695
100 NXT ID: 10398856728354654807
So in sum 285. Change is Donation for Dev

Why am I missing? How can I prove? Was there a Fraud with my TXID?

I additionally created an Account for my wife some Days later, called 4nniK4, which is also missing. I'll post the next Minutes from that Account to prove.

You don't need to prove that. It is already in those lists, of course husband and wife, but it cannot be said, where you were married Wink

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<4nniK4

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