Topic: NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs - page 1685. (Read 2985503 times)

There could be any of a number of reasons why people haven't checked in, including plain forgetfulness. Please do not taint the launch with controversy - put off this question until after the launch.

After a well-publicised launch, there'd presumably be a stronger argument for clawing back what stake buyerse have not claimed. But considering something like that before the launch risks inviting controversy in a very jittery market that will risk messing up this entire thing. This market bails on the faintest hint of FUD-attracting controversy.

The key phrase being as practical. As practical for whom ? The peole that work on NEM everyday or the people that don't have the decency to check on their investment at least once a month ?


A month but the process was made public weeks before it started.
What do you suggest we try ? It's been on tweeted, spread in both forums, sent out in a newsletter (to emails where we have them) and is being discussed for weeks not already.


And let me reiterate my inquery about any other coin that has had a distribution phase of more than 1 month. Who in hell waited 6 months for their peolpe to come ?

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a month is not all that much. Support or not if they are on the list those shares belong to them. 3- 6 months is more reasonable.  If they return and dump staight away who cares more for the rest of us at a low rate.

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We don't need people who'd only suggest problems to a problem. Because that itself is a problem. What we need is a solution to a problem.

What if a meteorite crashes on to my head ? (seriously, what do i do then, don´t lough, then i´m fucked )

We are NEM, and we want even uggly people in, they will weed themself out . . And then we will see, what NEM iis all about. Do we have to make it great, or is it great ? ?

I'd like to give the full picture here.

There are a handfull of people who have either lost their btt account or their NXT account where their token is held. All of them can't prove they own those accounts because they don't have access to the addresses that they have originaly payed their registration fee from.

Bottomline is we can't know if they are who they claim to be.

The team came to the consensus that those people should make their case in front of the community and let the community decide if "the stake hasn't been claimed yet" is good enough.

I'd also like to point out that it looks like there there will be a few hundered unclaimed stakes so pretty much anyone could make a new account and claim to be one of the unclaimed and since there are plenty of newbies under the unclaimed it's also easy to pick a target that will most likely stay unclaimed.

So as for btt accounts i vote in favor of lost account == lost stake but like I said - the community shall decide.

Lost NXT accounts are imho different as those people still have access to their original btt accounts. So once the redemption of AE tokens is over and the asset is still there, if the btt account get's in touch i think it's fair to let him have his stake.

We will leave this open to the community.

Agreed, and even if we "want" to hold stakes for 6 months or more how should it be handled? It only creates more problems and puts more pressure on the dev team that will have other things to do than to distribute stakes for months to come. Lets say pat were to hold all the unclaimed stakes himself for the following year(s), what if something happened to him? What if he got hacked? And if you're answer is to let everyone in the whole dev team share the keys it would only require one of them to get tired of NEM, cash out, kill the currency and live rich.

Dear community,

I would like to point out the following situation:

Some members who have applied to join the New Economic Movement have lost access to their BTT account.

In a few cases, these same people have made contact with the development team with a second (new) account in order to claim their token.

I have come up with a simple system in which these tokens can be reclaimed by the rightful owner without risking the original owner getting scammed.


System: 


The developers assign two types of priorities to the following accounts:


Priority 1 (highest priority): The original (lost) BTT account.

Priority 2 (lowest priority): The new BTT account.



Then, whenever someone claims to have lost access to an account, the developers would have to carefully inspect the case and hand over a so called "temporary token".

If the original owner claims the token from the original account at a later point in time, the developers would have to remove the "temporary token" from the list and blacklist the person who had claimed a "temporary token".

If the original owner is in fact the same person as the one who claimed the "temporary token", the stake has found it's way back to it's owner.

With this simple system, you can help those who are in a bad situation while preventing any scam.



Feedback is welcome!

Dear community,

I would like to point out the following situation:

Some members who have applied to join the New Economic Movement have lost access to their BTT account.

In a few cases, these same people have made contact with the development team with a second (new) account in order to claim their token.

I have come up with a simple system in which these tokens can be reclaimed by the rightful owner without risking the original owner getting scammed.


System:  


The developers assign two types of priorities to the following accounts:


Priority 1 (highest priority): The original (lost) BTT account.

Priority 2 (lowest priority): The new BTT account.



Then, whenever someone claims to have lost access to an account, the developers would have to carefully inspect the case and hand over a so called "temporary token".

If the original owner claims the token from the original account at a later point in time, the developers would have to remove the "temporary token" from the list and blacklist the person who had claimed a "temporary token".

If the original owner is in fact the same person as the one who claimed the "temporary token", the stake has found it's way back to it's owner.

With this simple system, you can help those who are in a bad situation while preventing any scam.



Feedback is welcome!

I note that there are only a handful of posters here suggesting that NEM should be held indefinitely and they are mostly NEWBIES. They seem to surface only now.

A vast majority who commented otherwise appear to be the more regular ones who care about NEM.

There are 837 registered to date. Hence we should expect about 600-800 unclaimed as what Taunsew said earlier.

I would like to make this comment. In any decision, you cannot please them all, for if you try to, some will not be pleased. If you don't know what it means, it is basically applying the 80:20 rule. Most will be pleased some will not. We will have to do that, comes the crunch.

I think we are clear what direction we should head to. It is now a matter of how to treat them so that it does not benefit those who already benefited from it unless they contribute more than what they have already been allocated for.

The investment fund suggested by Makoto seems to be the best option forward. We need to establish a proper Terms of Reference as well as proper governance in the management of these funds.

There is also insufficient marketing funds being allocated. Perhaps some should also be allocated for that. These should be used for NEM for a duration of 18 months after the launch of V1.

There is also a need to address long term support of NEM. As I said although we want to support decentralization, it is an ideal situation. There needs to be some sort of centralization one day for NEM to remain relevant.  This must be well discussed and decided after V1.

I wouldn't worry too much about those handful who are saying that the funds need to be kept indefinitely. Like I have mentioned elsewhere, it is easier to say it. But show me how to do it. We don't need people who'd only suggest problems to a problem. Because that itself is a problem. What we need is a solution to a problem.

Agreed, and even if we "want" to hold stakes for 6 months or more how should it be handled? It only creates more problems and puts more pressure on the dev team that will have other things to do than to distribute stakes for months to come. Lets say pat were to hold all the unclaimed stakes himself for the following year(s), what if something happened to him? What if he got hacked? And if you're answer is to let everyone in the whole dev team share the keys it would only require one of them to get tired of NEM, cash out, kill the currency and live rich.

When does trading on Asset Exchange close? I am trying to get some more, and buying NXT on the dips.

The key phrase being as practical. As practical for whom ? The peole that work on NEM everyday or the people that don't have the decency to check on their investment at least once a month ?


A month but the process was made public weeks before it started.
What do you suggest we try ? It's been on tweeted, spread in both forums, sent out in a newsletter (to emails where we have them) and is being discussed for weeks not already.


And let me reiterate my inquery about any other coin that has had a distribution phase of more than 1 month. Who in hell waited 6 months for their peolpe to come ?

We should consider that not everyone lives on bitcointalk.org and we should give all of those who paid for their stakes as much time as practical to claim what they paid for.

How long do those who haven't yet claimed their stakes have to register, and is anything else besides the bitcointalk PM messaging being tried to reach them?

I see anything that reduces the distribution and concentrates ownership more than what was originally planned potentially hurts the coin by increasing market fears of dumping/malfeasance. The altcoinmarkets are sickly, skittish and risk-averse as it is, these days and NEM has been an island of stability in the storm. We need to keep it that way.

We should consider that not everyone lives on bitcointalk.org and we should give all of those who paid for their stakes as much time as practical to claim what they paid for.

I think anything else risks badly tainting the launch, and I wonder whether the market movements of the past couple days have been hinting at concern about this. Many of us have waited way too long to have the launch tainted and disrupted by controversy.

How long do those who haven't yet claimed their stakes have to register, and is anything else besides the bitcointalk PM messaging being tried to reach them?

All successfuly registered people: https://chain.nem.ninja/stakes/registered
Hope this helps.

make a present to all original stake holders who kept their stake for 10 months - send them a silver coin for being loyal