Netherlands pilot scheme to allow women to play in senior men's team

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Quote from: Daniel91 on May 15, 2021, 08:55:14 AM

It seems to me that big changes are approaching and that in the future we will see more and more women playing football together with men.
What do you think about this?

It is really disappointing to hear these kind of changes as it is not even a level playing field to compete along side men, will the Olympic association allow these kind of changes, i do not think we would see that happen. These are pilot schemes to get the general perception and i do not want to see these kind of changes but if they want to experiment who is stopping them Undecided

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These kind of games will be conducted as an exhibition match. Olympic association won't approve this, and we can't expect this to get added to the list of games. Men and women playing together could make both the players understand and learn different tricks. However it is hard to have equal energy level without which playing a game won't be that perfect.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on May 15, 2021, 08:55:14 AM

It seems to me that big changes are approaching and that in the future we will see more and more women playing football together with men.
What do you think about this?

It is really disappointing to hear these kind of changes as it is not even a level playing field to compete along side men, will the Olympic association allow these kind of changes, i do not think we would see that happen. These are pilot schemes to get the general perception and i do not want to see these kind of changes but if they want to experiment who is stopping them Undecided

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After a long time, it seems to me that this topic needs to be revived because great changes have just taken place in the Netherlands when it comes to men and women playing together in amateur football clubs.
Before there was only one exception, one woman who was allowed to play with men and now it will be allowed to all women.
''The Dutch Football Association (KNVB) has announced a pioneering rule change which will see men and women able to play alongside each other in amateur football teams from next season.''
It seems to me that big changes are approaching and that in the future we will see more and more women playing football together with men.
What do you think about this?
Source: https://www.espn.com/soccer/netherlands-ned/story/4383175/dutch-fa-allow-menwomen-to-play-together-in-amateur-teams

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Quote from: dre1982 on January 15, 2021, 05:28:16 AM

The woman national team of the USA is the best women soccer team in the World. But they can't even win against a U-15 youth team. So I don't expect any women to join a first team of a professional soccer team. It's maybe good for some amateur clubs but that's it.

https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/

Interesting link.
Won't be surprised if the male youths were so determined not to let ladies beat them in the match... It would have been an embarrassment to the team.
I wonder how they managed to hand the females in close proximity contest... Some will probably try to be gentlemen and handle the ladies with care.

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Never going to happen imo, they’re smaller, weaker, slower, just not going to happen imo.

Yeah, "women are equal of men" and similar feminine things are getting really terrible. There is nothing wrong with things like men and women both have to take care of their children, women are as good in math and technical subjects as men, etc... But women into a squad where men play is a terrible idea.

Just imagine when women play football in men's team and also imagine that in the opponent team squad includes Ramos, Pepe and other rough players. Women can't be physically as good as men, they just don't have similar possibilities in this aspect. Well, if steroids will be legal for women in sports, then maybe they should compete.

No doubt that women had already proven that they can do whatever men can also do. We are now practicing an equal treatment, no descrimination and in fact women today are already powerful which already holds a position in politics and run a country with the power of running country successfully. And there is no doubt that even in the world of sports women didn't fet out of the list. So there's totally nothing wrong with allowing women to play in senior men's team, and I guess Netherlands should be recognize about this thing.

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Quote from: Smartvirus on January 17, 2021, 10:39:58 AM

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The rules need to adjust based on the conditions women and men inside the team, so the match can be an entertaining way to the audience. The rules need to give a clear line between women and men, so they will not try to break the rules, and maybe they need to give respect to women and not trying to harass the women inside the team.

This is the thing I fear, bending the rules to suit women participation and competing favourably. Aside from rules that accepts female participation and probably some dressing room rules, rules shouldn't be bent to suit this purpose. It feels wrong.
If women are to compit with men on the same pitch, they should do so following the same rules, football is one everywhere and so is it's rules. You can't have a different rule in a match where women are amongst it's team and another set of rules in a game without women. It would be a way of introducing some bias in the games and depending on which is favourable, you just might find teams adopting women as team mates or not.

Again, I don't understand what you intend to say by harassment. At what point does this come in?

The rules need to change or adjust to be matched with the situations because women and men gather in one field. I agree the rules should not be broken, and if one of them tries to break the rules, they should get punishment. Maybe the rules need to be strict than the normal rules as the women join with the men teams.

The harassment I mean is men can touch women's body by coincidentally, and they do not mean to do that, but the situations make them touch it. I am sure that things can happen in the field, especially if women and men chasing the balls in the field, and the harassment can happen.

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Quote from: dre1982 on January 15, 2021, 05:28:16 AM

The woman national team of the USA is the best women soccer team in the World. But they can't even win against a U-15 youth team. So I don't expect any women to join a first team of a professional soccer team. It's maybe good for some amateur clubs but that's it.

https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/

Wow
Opening old topic just to disrespect .
You should understand for a fact that women are never given equal opportunities, they are always facing much more hardships as compared to men's team. Even paid so less. Not even taken into consideration most of the time.

This is the proof.
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See there are women stronger than man , yes they exist! It's more of a personal point of view and when we are talking about harassment I do think every player faces harassment on the field not just women. Right now India Vs Australia was a really clear example of such case.

Therefore if they do agree to something like that I think they would be ready for such cases in the future and would accept it.

Well first of all I am not opening in old topic. It was opened before and not by me.

Second, There isn't any disrespect. It's just the fact that women can't compete men physically. If there is a women who can compete and wants to play in a men team it's all fine with me. Can't wait how it will turns out.

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Quote from: shield132 on January 17, 2021, 03:00:27 PM

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Never going to happen imo, they’re smaller, weaker, slower, just not going to happen imo.

Yeah, "women are equal of men" and similar feminine things are getting really terrible. There is nothing wrong with things like men and women both have to take care of their children, women are as good in math and technical subjects as men, etc... But women into a squad where men play is a terrible idea.

Just imagine when women play football in men's team and also imagine that in the opponent team squad includes Ramos, Pepe and other rough players. Women can't be physically as good as men, they just don't have similar possibilities in this aspect. Well, if steroids will be legal for women in sports, then maybe they should compete.

If this is a one-off idea, then I won't complain much. But if they are planning to do this on a regular basis, then I am afraid that it will destroy the quality of the game. Being a female, I have to admit that females can't directly compete with males. If they want to compete with them, then the rules needs to be bent in order to given them special advantage. And this is not going to go well with the other players.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on August 05, 2020, 04:13:49 AM

Never going to happen imo, they’re smaller, weaker, slower, just not going to happen imo.

Yeah, "women are equal of men" and similar feminine things are getting really terrible. There is nothing wrong with things like men and women both have to take care of their children, women are as good in math and technical subjects as men, etc... But women into a squad where men play is a terrible idea.

Just imagine when women play football in men's team and also imagine that in the opponent team squad includes Ramos, Pepe and other rough players. Women can't be physically as good as men, they just don't have similar possibilities in this aspect. Well, if steroids will be legal for women in sports, then maybe they should compete.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on August 05, 2020, 03:50:21 AM

If some talented girl shows up, can you imagine that she plays for the first team of Ajax or PSV, in the Champions League match against Real or Barcelona?
Personally, I'd like to watch it and I think it would be very interesting.
We're already used to female referees in men's football and even women who coach men's soccer teams.
Soon it will be time for women to play alongside men on the same football team Grin

If any of you would like to bet, what do you think are the chances of a woman playing in the first men's team of Ajax or PSV in the next 10 years?

I do not care about women playing in men teams, that is not really that much important information to me, they can or can't doesn't change a thing for me. However starting to accept women for men teams are not about just Ajax or PSV neither, that is not the topic here, if you could add them to any team at all, that would be still fine. There are two things that worries me and one thing that I support on this subject.

The thing that worries me is that we have been in the cancel culture for a while, what if one day women start to say "each team must have at least one woman in their roster" or something? Second one is how do you handle the money situation?

I mean women leagues as we all know gets paid less, will this women be paid more than other women? That is the issue. Support however would be; if a player is good enough to play there, doesn't matter their gender, as long as they are good enough to earn it of course.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on January 17, 2021, 10:14:13 AM

The rules need to adjust based on the conditions women and men inside the team, so the match can be an entertaining way to the audience. The rules need to give a clear line between women and men, so they will not try to break the rules, and maybe they need to give respect to women and not trying to harass the women inside the team.

This is the thing I fear, bending the rules to suit women participation and competing favourably. Aside from rules that accepts female participation and probably some dressing room rules, rules shouldn't be bent to suit this purpose. It feels wrong.
If women are to compit with men on the same pitch, they should do so following the same rules, football is one everywhere and so is it's rules. You can't have a different rule in a match where women are amongst it's team and another set of rules in a game without women. It would be a way of introducing some bias in the games and depending on which is favourable, you just might find teams adopting women as team mates or not.

Again, I don't understand what you intend to say by harassment. At what point does this come in?

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Quote from: k@suy on January 17, 2021, 04:15:17 AM

I didn't doubt of woman's capability to join in such kind of game, which in fact woman today are phenomenal woman who are already proven that they can do anything, and they can be also powerful in thoughts and in deeds. But yesh i will agree with you mate in the insight that womans endurances and physical strong was incomparable to man. When it comes to this certain topic we couldn't question the superiority of man at these aspect. However it may only my opinion, we'll see if these thing happens.

The rules need to adjust based on the conditions women and men inside the team, so the match can be an entertaining way to the audience. The rules need to give a clear line between women and men, so they will not try to break the rules, and maybe they need to give respect to women and not trying to harass the women inside the team.

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You know we have discussed this around camp fires and some women are against this, because they think women should be different and special and they should have their own Sport. Unsurprisingly most men do not have a issue with this, but I think quietly some men are just curious about this.

When I was much younger.... girls joined us when we played football and even rugby ...but the boys held back and did not play the same game when the girls joined in. (Will the guys do the same, when a women are in the other team?)

Bone density is also a issue with some girls.... Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Saisher on January 16, 2021, 10:36:55 AM

I voted no way not because I'm sexist but they differ very much in their physical appearance and make up, and besides there are women's right and they will sound foul whenever they see women getting hurt, they have their own league so why not make their league competitive and leave the men's league on their own.

My only concern would be in terms of physical build because overall men are physically stronger than women and, in the play, if you use little power to push, they can fall and it can hurt them. Though in the fast-paced game you might not do it intentionally but how will it be proven if it was done intentionally or not. Else its fine to do a pilot test tun and see how it goes.

I think woman will have to adapt to the make standards of the game. Asking the men to take it slow and look out for the woman seems wrong. Overall it could be a decent experience but how many woman could actually play on a man's level? I like to watch female football games from time to time, and even in the top level the game just seems slower than when you watch the champions league final, or the world Cup. In the end the viewers are going to decide if they enjoy watching mixed gender games or not.

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Quote from: Saisher on January 16, 2021, 10:36:55 AM

I voted no way not because I'm sexist but they differ very much in their physical appearance and make up, and besides there are women's right and they will sound foul whenever they see women getting hurt, they have their own league so why not make their league competitive and leave the men's league on their own.

My only concern would be in terms of physical build because overall men are physically stronger than women and, in the play, if you use little power to push, they can fall and it can hurt them. Though in the fast-paced game you might not do it intentionally but how will it be proven if it was done intentionally or not. Else its fine to do a pilot test tun and see how it goes.

I didn't doubt of woman's capability to join in such kind of game, which in fact woman today are phenomenal woman who are already proven that they can do anything, and they can be also powerful in thoughts and in deeds. But yesh i will agree with you mate in the insight that womans endurances and physical strong was incomparable to man. When it comes to this certain topic we couldn't question the superiority of man at these aspect. However it may only my opinion, we'll see if these thing happens.

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I'm not a sexist. But allowing women to play in senior men's teams is inappropriate, even though they have the same skills as men in playing football because they might fall into an accident in playing this sport that could lead to sexual harassment. So it will be better if women and men should have a football league of their own for them not to have any conflict with the fans and women's rights.

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I voted no way not because I'm sexist but they differ very much in their physical appearance and make up, and besides there are women's right and they will sound foul whenever they see women getting hurt, they have their own league so why not make their league competitive and leave the men's league on their own.

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Quote from: dre1982 on January 15, 2021, 05:28:16 AM

The woman national team of the USA is the best women soccer team in the World. But they can't even win against a U-15 youth team. So I don't expect any women to join a first team of a professional soccer team. It's maybe good for some amateur clubs but that's it.

https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/

Wow
Opening old topic just to disrespect .
You should understand for a fact that women are never given equal opportunities, they are always facing much more hardships as compared to men's team. Even paid so less. Not even taken into consideration most of the time.

This is the proof.
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See there are women stronger than man , yes they exist! It's more of a personal point of view and when we are talking about harassment I do think every player faces harassment on the field not just women. Right now India Vs Australia was a really clear example of such case.

Therefore if they do agree to something like that I think they would be ready for such cases in the future and would accept it.

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Most harassment is only used for women and it is very few occasions where we see that male are harassed by females. Due to different physical structure of men and women, it will not be a good idea to include females in male teams.

You are right buddy even if men do not have intention to touch the woman's body or harass it because of the game, people who will see it will feel offended, because in other country where society is sensitive to women they will feel offended, the league should understand this, man and woman are not created equal in some ways and it's something that is hard to ignore.

Oh common, the women who will play in the men's teams will know all about these consequences and will not mind that. We already have some matches where men and women play together like tennis etc. Although both teams competing should have female players and not only one team contain female gender.

I think that something like this could happen in the future and that this decision in the Netherlands is just the beginning and not the end or the exception.
Women are slowly getting the opportunity to play in all, even the most demanding sports such as MMA for example and the public is becoming more open to the possibility of women competing on an equal footing with men.
Women are becoming physically stronger and closer to the physical capabilities of men, and because of this, the door will slowly open in men's sports for them as well.

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Quote from: robelneo on January 10, 2021, 07:34:48 AM

Quote from: FIFA worldcup on January 10, 2021, 06:45:22 AM

Most harassment is only used for women and it is very few occasions where we see that male are harassed by females. Due to different physical structure of men and women, it will not be a good idea to include females in male teams.

You are right buddy even if men do not have intention to touch the woman's body or harass it because of the game, people who will see it will feel offended, because in other country where society is sensitive to women they will feel offended, the league should understand this, man and woman are not created equal in some ways and it's something that is hard to ignore.

Oh common, the women who will play in the men's teams will know all about these consequences and will not mind that. We already have some matches where men and women play together like tennis etc. Although both teams competing should have female players and not only one team contain female gender.

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