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Quote from: Saint-loup on January 08, 2021, 05:42:08 PM

Quote from: hahay on January 08, 2021, 03:53:06 PM

Very unlikely, maybe there are some senior or premier teams that allow women to play together but the pilot doesn't feel like it will work because no other team has followed that way. Indeed, this is a form of gender equality but I don't think this kind of move would be right, what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports? There are already many women's leagues running, is that still not enough? So I think, not all things have to be done simultaneously, because there is still a chance for women to get a special women's league and that's enough for gender equality. Instead of women playing ball at the same time as men, why not the other way around like men playing with women in the women's league? lol

LOL it would be the same for men : "what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports?"
Or do you mean men can't be harassed by women?

Most harassment is only used for women and it is very few occasions where we see that male are harassed by females. Due to different physical structure of men and women, it will not be a good idea to include females in male teams.

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I would like to know if this is going to have a some implications for us gambkers. Is a mixed team going to perform better than a pure male team? I would assume that the connection and interaction between guys is likely to be different when there is a female around. Maybe this is going to help out a team, or it might complicated things. Unfortunately there is no real data yet for such teams.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on January 08, 2021, 05:42:08 PM

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LOL it would be the same for men : "what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports?"
Or do you mean men can't be harassed by women?

If there are parts that cannot be touched by your team mate or your opponent while playing a sport then you should not play the game Cheesy

.It is not even a level playing field and what ever genetically mutation they do they will not match the speed of men Cheesy

. There are crazier things happening in the world and let them experiment Cheesy

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Quote from: Rengga Jati on January 08, 2021, 07:59:35 PM

But, I wonder about these words: amateur women, is it really? So what kind of criteria it will be required? How are about the men that have better and better criteria?
But let's see how this rule will be going on and accepted later again

I voted not a chance even if the candidate has a good build-up, he cannot catch up the way man play and she will just a become a wallflower for the team and she cannot be included in the crucial plays of the team, she will just become a target of the opposing team, there will always better candidate for that position for man, instead of taking woman, they have their own league to play.

Then it is better to make the option of a separate mixed league, as in other sports, or even then cancel the league on a gender basis. I have nothing against tolerance, I will say even more that in many cases I agree with such rhetoric, but to promote a woman to the MEN's league is already a bit too much. It is one thing when women work as referees at matches, but it is completely different when it comes directly to the gameplay itself.

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Quote from: Rengga Jati on January 08, 2021, 07:59:35 PM

But, I wonder about these words: amateur women, is it really? So what kind of criteria it will be required? How are about the men that have better and better criteria?
But let's see how this rule will be going on and accepted later again

I voted not a chance even if the candidate has a good build-up, he cannot catch up the way man play and she will just a become a wallflower for the team and she cannot be included in the crucial plays of the team, she will just become a target of the opposing team, there will always better candidate for that position for man, instead of taking woman, they have their own league to play.

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Quote from: ReiMomo on January 08, 2021, 05:55:13 PM

Quote from: Saint-loup on January 08, 2021, 05:42:08 PM

Quote from: hahay on January 08, 2021, 03:53:06 PM

Very unlikely, maybe there are some senior or premier teams that allow women to play together but the pilot doesn't feel like it will work because no other team has followed that way. Indeed, this is a form of gender equality but I don't think this kind of move would be right, what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports? There are already many women's leagues running, is that still not enough? So I think, not all things have to be done simultaneously, because there is still a chance for women to get a special women's league and that's enough for gender equality. Instead of women playing ball at the same time as men, why not the other way around like men playing with women in the women's league? lol

LOL it would be the same for men : "what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports?"
Or do you mean men can't be harassed by women?

This idea made me smile. Lol.
Gender equality is not applicable at all times, we should consider those different factors that maybe will distract the men while they are playing the same as women. I don't know there could an adjustment but we know men are very allergic to women when it comes to touching and in that kind of game we cant avoid the body contact against your opponent.

Me too. An idea was pop up in my head. I will be the first who have accidentally touched them, and I really sorry for them Grin

Perhaps, it should separate by men and women because there is a boundary between us which can't always in one team. Many things can happen in women play in senior men's teams, and men will have many ideas to have body contact with women. Besides that, sexual abuse can happen too, and men can't be blamed for that because they touched women's body by accidentally.

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Is it allowed in the regulation? It will be a mixed team, right? And If the team has considered the pros and cons, I am sure that she is amazing and has more quality, power, and also skills than any other man that is selected probably.
But, I wonder about these words: amateur women, is it really? So what kind of criteria it will be required? How are about the men that have better and better criteria?
But let's see how this rule will be going on and accepted later again

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Quote from: BuNga_cute on January 08, 2021, 06:51:00 PM

I am among those who disagree if women are allowed to play football in the senior men's team. Very risk of sexual harassment, because it could
be men's hands touch sensitive parts of women. Even though this woman does have talent, it cannot be justified that women play football in
the senior men's team. I understand if the Dutch did this, because the Dutch government has always issued controversial policies. Hopefully other
countries don't follow what the Dutch Football Association has done by allowing women to play on the senior men's team.

Yes, there is more chance of sexual harassment. Same time we need to be clear, sportsmen aren't that worse to disturb/harass an women sexually. My only thought is about inferiority, men will try to make her feel inferior even if she does a good play.

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I am among those who disagree if women are allowed to play football in the senior men's team. Very risk of sexual harassment, because it could
be men's hands touch sensitive parts of women. Even though this woman does have talent, it cannot be justified that women play football in
the senior men's team. I understand if the Dutch did this, because the Dutch government has always issued controversial policies. Hopefully other
countries don't follow what the Dutch Football Association has done by allowing women to play on the senior men's team.

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on January 08, 2021, 05:53:32 PM

Quote from: Saint-loup on January 08, 2021, 05:42:08 PM

Quote from: hahay on January 08, 2021, 03:53:06 PM

Very unlikely, maybe there are some senior or premier teams that allow women to play together but the pilot doesn't feel like it will work because no other team has followed that way. Indeed, this is a form of gender equality but I don't think this kind of move would be right, what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports? There are already many women's leagues running, is that still not enough? So I think, not all things have to be done simultaneously, because there is still a chance for women to get a special women's league and that's enough for gender equality. Instead of women playing ball at the same time as men, why not the other way around like men playing with women in the women's league? lol

LOL it would be the same for men : "what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports?"
Or do you mean men can't be harassed by women?

We are talking about reality on here where men doesnt have the right to complaint about being harassed by women. hehe. There would be no complaints because man doesnt really put up malice into these kind of touching moments accidentally and the heck on who would complain with that? If they do, then they are just too being sensitive.

Here are some links that do answer about women plays on men sports.
https://www.theperspective.com/debates/living/women-compete-men-sports/
http://www.bfpclinic.com/MedicalServices.cfm?PCID=291&PGID=1862

Hmm I'm not sure it would be accidental every time. It would be very tempting for women to use this weak point if men don't dare to complain about it IMO.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on January 08, 2021, 05:42:08 PM

Quote from: hahay on January 08, 2021, 03:53:06 PM

Very unlikely, maybe there are some senior or premier teams that allow women to play together but the pilot doesn't feel like it will work because no other team has followed that way. Indeed, this is a form of gender equality but I don't think this kind of move would be right, what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports? There are already many women's leagues running, is that still not enough? So I think, not all things have to be done simultaneously, because there is still a chance for women to get a special women's league and that's enough for gender equality. Instead of women playing ball at the same time as men, why not the other way around like men playing with women in the women's league? lol

LOL it would be the same for men : "what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports?"
Or do you mean men can't be harassed by women?

This idea made me smile. Lol.
Gender equality is not applicable at all times, we should consider those different factors that maybe will distract the men while they are playing the same as women. I don't know there could an adjustment but we know men are very allergic to women when it comes to touching and in that kind of game we cant avoid the body contact against your opponent.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on January 08, 2021, 05:42:08 PM

Quote from: hahay on January 08, 2021, 03:53:06 PM

Very unlikely, maybe there are some senior or premier teams that allow women to play together but the pilot doesn't feel like it will work because no other team has followed that way. Indeed, this is a form of gender equality but I don't think this kind of move would be right, what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports? There are already many women's leagues running, is that still not enough? So I think, not all things have to be done simultaneously, because there is still a chance for women to get a special women's league and that's enough for gender equality. Instead of women playing ball at the same time as men, why not the other way around like men playing with women in the women's league? lol

LOL it would be the same for men : "what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports?"
Or do you mean men can't be harassed by women?

We are talking about reality on here where men doesnt have the right to complaint about being harassed by women. hehe. There would be no complaints because man doesnt really put up malice into these kind of touching moments accidentally and the heck on who would complain with that? If they do, then they are just too being sensitive.

Here are some links that do answer about women plays on men sports.
https://www.theperspective.com/debates/living/women-compete-men-sports/
http://www.bfpclinic.com/MedicalServices.cfm?PCID=291&PGID=1862

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Quote from: hahay on January 08, 2021, 03:53:06 PM

Very unlikely, maybe there are some senior or premier teams that allow women to play together but the pilot doesn't feel like it will work because no other team has followed that way. Indeed, this is a form of gender equality but I don't think this kind of move would be right, what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports? There are already many women's leagues running, is that still not enough? So I think, not all things have to be done simultaneously, because there is still a chance for women to get a special women's league and that's enough for gender equality. Instead of women playing ball at the same time as men, why not the other way around like men playing with women in the women's league? lol

LOL it would be the same for men : "what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports?"
Or do you mean men can't be harassed by women?

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Quote from: hahay on January 08, 2021, 03:53:06 PM

Very unlikely, maybe there are some senior or premier teams that allow women to play together but the pilot doesn't feel like it will work because no other team has followed that way. Indeed, this is a form of gender equality but I don't think this kind of move would be right, what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports? There are already many women's leagues running, is that still not enough? So I think, not all things have to be done simultaneously, because there is still a chance for women to get a special women's league and that's enough for gender equality. Instead of women playing ball at the same time as men, why not the other way around like men playing with women in the women's league? lol

Men playing on a women's league? that would really be too much but you know that odd things do happen on this world. lol.
When it comes into that touching part then theyre fully aware with that and they do still continue on such idea and let that women play in a senior mens team.
This isnt about inequality but rather talks about capacity or capability.Thing here is that there would be some major adjustments needed
when theres a substitution of a player which hadnt been part of the team.It can possible mess up entire gameplay.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on August 05, 2020, 04:50:21 AM

If some talented girl shows up, can you imagine that she plays for the first team of Ajax or PSV, in the Champions League match against Real or Barcelona?
Personally, I'd like to watch it and I think it would be very interesting.
We're already used to female referees in men's football and even women who coach men's soccer teams.

Interesting or annoying... Well, you said personally but then, we all know how we tend to criticize even the best player when he makes the slightest mistake and how most good players seat on the bench or play from the bench after a few triers with a bad play. This is very much going to be the outcome of this pilot study. Amending the rules to suit women participation would be a wrong step should FIFA go beyond allowing women to play on same pitch as men.

Female referees and women on the same pitch, running after the same ball and trying to emerge victorious is a whole lot of another story. Football is a game of contact and these are going to be sports men and women, more familiar with the Gem and men are naturally muscular than women except in few cases that a few women tends to equal the men. In all, it's going to be an unfair game and I really hope they don't waste much energy in conducting this pilot study because, it won't work out. I've seen this on a local pitch, it didn't go so well. The female seemed bullied!

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Very unlikely, maybe there are some senior or premier teams that allow women to play together but the pilot doesn't feel like it will work because no other team has followed that way. Indeed, this is a form of gender equality but I don't think this kind of move would be right, what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports? There are already many women's leagues running, is that still not enough? So I think, not all things have to be done simultaneously, because there is still a chance for women to get a special women's league and that's enough for gender equality. Instead of women playing ball at the same time as men, why not the other way around like men playing with women in the women's league? lol

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Quote from: Wenbing on January 08, 2021, 02:31:43 PM

I see this as a woman equality right advocacy. It provides an equality ground for women and men to co play in a football match.

You see women could be very smart when given opportunity. Hence, I see the rising of women that'll be like Christiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi.

I dont see anything wrong with this one but isnt this would be a serious handicap for said team? If they do let to make out some substitution
then they are aware on the risk.

If they do allow women to play then so be it as long it doesnt violate any rules or regulations and doing the game fair and square.

Not to underestimate but we cant really remove on someones attention that women arent really that competitive compared to men but
doesnt mean that they aren capable of doing things.There is really just some differences when it comes to intensity.

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I see this as a woman equality right advocacy. It provides an equality ground for women and men to co play in a football match.

You see women could be very smart when given opportunity. Hence, I see the rising of women that'll be like Christiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi.

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Quote from: yazher on August 12, 2020, 08:56:50 AM

I agree there's No way they can compete with each other because of their different roles in the society, this is not all about comparison to each genders but women have specifically have some things they can do specifically like watching the kids and so on so forth. You know what? I don't have patience for watching my kids for 5 minutes but my wife can do all that and my wife have things she can't do which is I the only one who knows. Let's keep it as simple as man vs man and women vs women in the sports games. let's not make innovations like we have seen in the cinema, they're just making it worse.

Just by watching woman soccer games you can see that is a complete different game to when men are playing. Maybe this would work for trans people who changed from men to woman who can still play for men. But honestly what is the point? I don't find it sexist for genders to have different games and teams. We already during school that men and woman are different. There is no point in wishing that away. I agree that hollywood just makes it worse with just making the same movies again but putting a female as the main actor.

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Quote from: livingfree on August 09, 2020, 03:56:27 AM

I'm stuck between no and little chance.

We're seeing the mixture of male and female in some contests although it's not that near to this. But as much as I want, they should retain it for all boys and all girls.

This will only create inequality, they can have their own and stay to their category.

If this is allowed many sporting events will follow can you imagine basketball which combined men and women they should do a lot of consultation especially to physical therapists because they don't have the same anatomy not to mention and besides the competitiveness of any team will be reduced because of course, we have a very different of the woman when it comes to physical.

I don't think that they will be that too open with that idea.

There's already an equality for separated sporting events for boys and girls. It's not discriminating if they won't be allowing a mixture of gender because it's a clear idea that it just can't happen.

They have WNBA and NBA so that should say the least.

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