Topic: Netherlands pilot scheme to allow women to play in senior men's team - page 2. (Read 900 times)

The woman national team of the USA is the best women soccer team in the World. But they can't even win against a U-15 youth team. So I don't expect any women to join a first team of a professional soccer team. It's maybe good for some amateur clubs but that's it.

https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/

I don't think that it would be possible to happen, we know the difference between male and female in terms of strength and football is such a game that requires a strength of a player to have the advantage to win, if a girl is in the field then I don't think that she can do more with some other guys, girls are for girls only and boys are for boys only in the world of football, it would be weird if they were mixed up even though only one girl will be in the field.

Ofcourse, I felt thesame way when I first came across this thread. But the reason they gave is quite convincing and reasonable. I however think the disadvantages could outweigh the advantage if safety measures are not put in place to prevent/reduce problems that could result from the mixing. I wonder if they can sustain effective safety measures though.

Well the idea is great but I don't think it will happen that often.

Maybe we will see just 1 or 2 women playing for some lower ranked teams. I don't expect that clubs like Ajax, PSV or Feyenoord will play with a woman in their first team.

It interesting how the opponent would react. Maybe they will make less faults against the women.

I didn't know if this will bring a positive feedback to the audience or it will receive an opposite feedback if Netherlands will allow women to play in senior men's team.

Maybe it is understandable if they can just create a different divisions that are exclusively for men and women only if they are serious in bringing women to Football. Well I voted to No way even if the Dutch Football Association already approved the pilot scheme that will allow a women to play in football as I didn't like the way it is even if others wants to watch the game.

I think both genders can freely mix together in open places, like field, conference room, hall, and other open places that matters in their football career. I don't think mingling in private rooms, toilet, hidden places etc will help their career.
If i have a female child who is talented in football and a club wants her to play for them, I will make sure the club will protects my child from harm and abuse. Those boundaries will likely protect her.

If a woman wants to play with men and her skills are not worse than those of fellow men, I think it would be deeply unfair not to let her play there. After all, it should be about the skills, not gender. And men not allowing a woman to join a male team because she might be harassed is overprotective, and they should have no say in this. It's her choice, and it's the harassment that we should fight, not women trying to go beyond it and willing to take the risks. I think it's the right decision by the Dutch football federation to allow her to play just as in a youth team.

Transgender on females team is definitely a no-no.We can really tell the difference when it comes to power yet those shemales are indeed stronger and on the other side

it isn't really just right for a male to be mixed into females locker or shower or whatsoever.This isn't really something not right to be tolerated on.

There are lots of boundaries that shouldn't really be break even though they are well trained or a good player but doesn't mean that they will be mixed up.
There should be separation between males and females no matter how good they are.

Yeah this will likely be the case, and much is such seperation going to affect the team? I think a lot of bonding between the teammates happens of the field, in the locker room, in the hotel, in the gyms. Maybe I am wrong but with different locations for different genders it might be harder to become a closed group. Not that I don't like womans football, there are some very talented girls out there who play really well. It's just that mixing genders seems wrong in my opinion. Same goes for transgender woman being part of female teams, it's just wrong.

some other games where female are involved and there are also games that both female and male are involved like volleyball or tennis  but why not this event or this game for the first time ? this can be succesful if both men and women in the team involved will cooperate and train hard to beat the opposing team .

the female can go with the flow together with the male's if she will practice her endurance and also strenghth because soccer is an intense game. they can blame the women if proven that its the womens fault on why they lost the match but if all feel that women plays excellently why will she be blamed ? thats wrong

Things will be quite different in club football where players spend much of their time together traveling, training, playing, in hotels, etc. I guess they will still be required to have seperate rooms, bathrooms, safety rules for different genders etc.

It seems that in this discussion we can't separate the question of the football skills of this girl, Elle Fokkem, and the fact that she is a young woman who plays football with men.
For me, the first question is whether this young girl deserves to play in this men's team at all or is she just a mascot or should she be an example for the future?
If the answer is yes (that she deserves to play alongside men because of her football skills), should a male player be given priority in her place, just because he is a man?
Only when we resolve this issue does it seem to me that it makes sense to move on to another question, can women play together with men in football?
I remember reading somewhere that in the Norwegian army men and women are treated equally and even sleep together in the same rooms (which means they work together without any problems, from mutual exercises, touching each other, taking off clothes before bed etc).
I think it's similar in football, that both men and women are professionals and they don't play for fun but for results, to win.
If a young woman shows that she is better than a man in a certain position in the team and can help the whole team, should she be excluded just because she is a woman?
And as for the possibility of sexually harassing a woman, or accidentally touching her intimate body parts during play, it seems to me that you forgot that she has been playing with men for a very long time, 10 years or more.
So far no such problems have been reported and she continues to play alongside the men without major problems.
I would say that this question has already been answered in practice.

EDIT: This article describes what it looks like when young women and men work and sleep together and this is obviously not a problem as some think:
https://www.todayonline.com/world/europe/norway-army-men-and-women-train-together-and-bunk-together
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8_bm-j8ed4[url]]]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8_bm-j8ed4[url]

Commenting on the discussions above about physical harassment, I have played in mixed teams many times (women plus men) in a few different sports and this has never ever become an issue. I think, even if it becomes an issue later, many men would defend and ostracize the offenders. That has no place in contact sport,,, so I believe it is not a big issue at least not in my culture where women are respected.

Love women's football:)

If it's a Male Team, then mixing both sexes in such Team won't be a good idea. I guess they could do  the mixing in some sort of mixed Team (Male & Female Team) . This will help in formulating rules that are suitable for Mixed Team.

This doesnt come into play in the lower tier leagues because if this lady Elle Fokkema
is really talented it will stand up against less talented males in a 4th tier league.

As has been mentioned already women competing at the top tier of mens soccer is "less likely"
to happen unless the woman is comparable in strength and conditioning as men.

If the team is managed in a professional and responsible way harrassment shouldnt happen
but isnt a guarantee it wont unfortunately.

If this was about some other game, then it could've been a success. With soccer stamina is important, I don't say women doesn't have stamina but in a team a single women will surely fail against men. If the match is being lost, surely the responsibility or the rest of the players will simply point her as the reason.

Touching body parts? It cant really be avoided into this kind of games which means physical harassment is really common and that's the problem
when you do really allow women to play on mens league or sports.Even if its not intentional then people would really find it odd.
I don't know on what considerations they are really try to push of because its not really that appealing to see for some mix up.
It should be divided equally when in talks of gender.

That is what I am worried about if women are playing with men because that can trigger the other problem. It is not just about different physical structures, but how the league should think more not to include females in the teams. If the league still tries to include females in male teams, they will get some critic from society, which can attract demonstration from people who do not agree with that.

If this is the Dutch idea of women empowerment, then I feel really sorry for them. Equal opportunity is what the women need, not preferential treatment. What they are going to achieve, by placing women in men's team? There is not even a 0.0001% chance that the player would be able to compete against the male players. BTW, male players are already being included in the women's teams, under the label of "transgenders".

You are right buddy even if men do not have intention to touch the woman's body or harass it because of the game, people who will see it will feel offended, because in other country where society is sensitive to women they will feel offended, the league should understand this, man and woman are not created equal in some ways and it's something that is hard to ignore.