This is a great initiative.
We are searching for equality in this world so we need to be equal in sports as well.
Obviously women and men are different physically but mixed teams are a good point in bringing sports to equal levels between men and women.
Topic: Netherlands pilot scheme to allow women to play in senior men's team - page 5. (Read 940 times)
August 10, 2020, 02:39:22 AM
August 10, 2020, 02:20:26 AM
Its not a good idea, and football is war like game and most furious injuries happens too often due to the collision between player and if this happens between male and female then female could get more brutal injuries and more often death as well.Why not bring women's football as well into a popular game, all players are women means we can actually find more male audiences. 
This will be a real test because chances of getting injured from male to female increases as while running or tacking the ball without knowing there is a female the hit could hurt more to female than male. So, this would be a really a test how are they going to do and handle it. Only thing safety of women is main concern in the sports in such testing.
August 10, 2020, 01:58:39 AM
Perhaps, it would be okay if a woman joins a team of sr men playing. But let's try to reverse it. If a man joins a team of women would it still be fun to watch seeing the single man dominating the entire match? I guess not. But if the games aren't that competitive I think it would also still good to watch a mix gender playing sports. Or both teams should have a mixed gender player so that the match will still looks balanced.
August 09, 2020, 07:01:20 AM
I have always opined that politics must be kept out of sports. It is not beneficial for the greater good of sports. Here radical feminism is being mixed with sports and I am afraid that the outcome may not be good. Already we have ridiculous occasions where men were allowed to compete in women's sport, just because they claimed that they "identified as female". This caused a lot of harm to the genuine female athletes.
August 09, 2020, 04:24:46 AM
What do you think of this?
If some talented girl shows up, can you imagine that she plays for the first team of Ajax or PSV, in the Champions League match against Real or Barcelona?
It sounds fun, I can't wait to watch their match in the Champions League, if you tell me I remember some of the female soccer players, who have good skills in the football arena.If some talented girl shows up, can you imagine that she plays for the first team of Ajax or PSV, in the Champions League match against Real or Barcelona?
Such as: Alex Morgan, who comes from America, he is also a model and has scored five goals in the match against Thailand 2019.
And also another one from the Dutch national team "Vivianne M" this is amazing. She is a beautiful woman and a soccer player by scoring 60 goals throughout her career.
For me that's great, if the Netherlands has an example of female players, after all there is basically a women's football team from the Netherlands, I can only say, I hope the world can do one more rule about the women's football world cup, to be fair.
August 09, 2020, 03:57:21 AM
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-Such matches, where professional women's teams against supposedly much weaker men's teams (partly also only boys' teams of smaller clubs) take place regularly. The German national women's team, for example, played against the U17 team of Bayern Munich and also lost big. So there is no need for sophisticated statistics, it is enough to simply let teams play against each other. Since these matches are often lost with a very high number of goals, one has to assume that the matches are simply not fair.
If we could know her concrete contribution to the men's football club until now (14 years already), how many successful dribbles for example, how many balls taken, how many assists for goals or goals scored, only then could we definitely say whether this girl deserves a place in the team with boys or she is just mascot.
Do we have a member from the Netherlands here who can try to find this information?
Well I somehow agree with you (considering some stuff whether if they can make a blow to a certain team or not). But I must admit... sir @Lakai01 shared information is something we should not disregard, since they were still women, after all. Not tryin' to be superio or drag somebody down here or what, but each have huge differences in terms of physicality. And as mentioned, football is a contact sport which requires strong build.
And so, I voted for "no way"
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August 09, 2020, 02:56:27 AM
I'm stuck between no and little chance.
We're seeing the mixture of male and female in some contests although it's not that near to this. But as much as I want, they should retain it for all boys and all girls.
This will only create inequality, they can have their own and stay to their category.
We're seeing the mixture of male and female in some contests although it's not that near to this. But as much as I want, they should retain it for all boys and all girls.
This will only create inequality, they can have their own and stay to their category.
August 08, 2020, 09:31:25 AM
Unfortunately, there is no data so we can only share our personal opinions.
This data exists, I have posted excerpts of it on page 1. Here again as a quote:However, there have been matches of very good women's teams against supposedly much weaker men's teams, for example in 2016 the national team of Australia (then ranked fifth in the world) played against a U15 delegation from Newcastle. The women lost very clearly with 0:7:
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In quite some setback ahead of the summer Olympics in Rio, Australia Women's team have lost 7-0 to a Newcastle Jets Under-15 side.
'The Matildas', pictured above in January, are ranked fifth in the FIFA world rankings and have reached the last three World Cup quarter-finals, but saw their confidence hit earlier this week with a humbling at the hands of some kids.
Source
'The Matildas', pictured above in January, are ranked fifth in the FIFA world rankings and have reached the last three World Cup quarter-finals, but saw their confidence hit earlier this week with a humbling at the hands of some kids.
Source
Such matches, where professional women's teams against supposedly much weaker men's teams (partly also only boys' teams of smaller clubs) take place regularly. The German national women's team, for example, played against the U17 team of Bayern Munich and also lost big. So there is no need for sophisticated statistics, it is enough to simply let teams play against each other. Since these matches are often lost with a very high number of goals, one has to assume that the matches are simply not fair.
When I talked about the statistics, I meant the specific data of Elle Fokkem from her football career so far, considering that she has been playing with boys for 14 years.
This is a long enough period of time that some valid conclusions can be drawn.
If we could know her concrete contribution to the men's football club until now (14 years already), how many successful dribbles for example, how many balls taken, how many assists for goals or goals scored, only then could we definitely say whether this girl deserves a place in the team with boys or she is just mascot.
Do we have a member from the Netherlands here who can try to find this information?
August 08, 2020, 09:00:09 AM
With this soon we can watch mixed football matches same as that we have with the tennis. Another thing women won't get much exposure to the international play same as the men do. With the initiative taken by Netherlands Football Authority more young girls who are good in football will be known to the world.
Will this be allowed offically for women to play in mens team ? In tennis we have sepeate matches for mens, womens, double, single and mixed.
You will not find a match of double where at one team is playing with two males and other team is playing with a male and female.
If they want to introduce this in football, they first need to introduce mixed matches where the teams consists of both male and female players.
August 08, 2020, 08:25:59 AM
Unfortunately, there is no data so we can only share our personal opinions.
This data exists, I have posted excerpts of it on page 1. Here again as a quote:However, there have been matches of very good women's teams against supposedly much weaker men's teams, for example in 2016 the national team of Australia (then ranked fifth in the world) played against a U15 delegation from Newcastle. The women lost very clearly with 0:7:
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In quite some setback ahead of the summer Olympics in Rio, Australia Women's team have lost 7-0 to a Newcastle Jets Under-15 side.
'The Matildas', pictured above in January, are ranked fifth in the FIFA world rankings and have reached the last three World Cup quarter-finals, but saw their confidence hit earlier this week with a humbling at the hands of some kids.
Source
'The Matildas', pictured above in January, are ranked fifth in the FIFA world rankings and have reached the last three World Cup quarter-finals, but saw their confidence hit earlier this week with a humbling at the hands of some kids.
Source
Such matches, where professional women's teams against supposedly much weaker men's teams (partly also only boys' teams of smaller clubs) take place regularly. The German national women's team, for example, played against the U17 team of Bayern Munich and also lost big. So there is no need for sophisticated statistics, it is enough to simply let teams play against each other. Since these matches are often lost with a very high number of goals, one has to assume that the matches are simply not fair.
August 08, 2020, 06:32:59 AM
I'm actually sorry that we talk mostly based on personal opinions rather than facts and statistics.
Since this girl has been playing with boys for 14 years, I tried to find recordings of her games or statistics but I couldn't find it.
Such concrete data would help our discussion much more and help us find answer to the question whether girls can play with boys.
Unfortunately, there is no data so we can only share our personal opinions.
There are girls who are stronger than men as well but athletic woman and man cannot compete each other in the game like soccer because it will lead into more injuries for the women due to many reasons.I only found women referee videos on internet who themselves injured on many occasions so how it is going to be mixing girls and boys for the same game.Since this girl has been playing with boys for 14 years, I tried to find recordings of her games or statistics but I couldn't find it.
Such concrete data would help our discussion much more and help us find answer to the question whether girls can play with boys.
Unfortunately, there is no data so we can only share our personal opinions.
it's not that i dont want women on this sports. but i just dont want to have another #MeToo movement here in the future. lets just keep it the way it should be. whether these women can cope up with the guys, but with this kind of movement these days, in some ways even if it is not intentional something will arise in the future.
August 07, 2020, 02:29:43 AM
I'm actually sorry that we talk mostly based on personal opinions rather than facts and statistics.
Since this girl has been playing with boys for 14 years, I tried to find recordings of her games or statistics but I couldn't find it.
Such concrete data would help our discussion much more and help us find answer to the question whether girls can play with boys.
Unfortunately, there is no data so we can only share our personal opinions.
There are girls who are stronger than men as well but athletic woman and man cannot compete each other in the game like soccer because it will lead into more injuries for the women due to many reasons.I only found women referee videos on internet who themselves injured on many occasions so how it is going to be mixing girls and boys for the same game. Since this girl has been playing with boys for 14 years, I tried to find recordings of her games or statistics but I couldn't find it.
Such concrete data would help our discussion much more and help us find answer to the question whether girls can play with boys.
Unfortunately, there is no data so we can only share our personal opinions.
August 07, 2020, 01:23:56 AM
I'm actually sorry that we talk mostly based on personal opinions rather than facts and statistics.
Since this girl has been playing with boys for 14 years, I tried to find recordings of her games or statistics but I couldn't find it.
Such concrete data would help our discussion much more and help us find answer to the question whether girls can play with boys.
Unfortunately, there is no data so we can only share our personal opinions.
Since this girl has been playing with boys for 14 years, I tried to find recordings of her games or statistics but I couldn't find it.
Such concrete data would help our discussion much more and help us find answer to the question whether girls can play with boys.
Unfortunately, there is no data so we can only share our personal opinions.
August 06, 2020, 04:43:27 PM
Men's league is simply too much for women. Not that I'm saying that they're weak or whatever but it's just that men tend to get more physical and more aggressive in their play style against anyone in the field in a contact sport such as football. Also, one reason I see why this would not pan out very well is through fan objection. Men usually hold back when they are pitted against women, giving them some form of 'handicap' on matches which isn't really enjoyable and fair to bettors and fans alike. If this is a non-contact sport then I would definitely agree, especially if it requires more skill and decision-making, but on a highly-physical game such as football, this is not a good idea.
We would really able to see that kind of hesitance for men that do play together with a women nor having an opponent in different gender. Football is indeed a heavy physical type of game which would really require strength of a man that a women cant even achieved no matter how hard they do train up into their body.
If they do able to do so then its quite odd on having a women in the field.Also its stated that they do approved on letting an amateur to set-in into a game? that wont really be appealing in any angle
for fans and bettors of course.
Basing up on the poll then we can see that majority is highly opposing this idea.
August 06, 2020, 01:03:12 PM
Its not a good idea, and football is war like game and most furious injuries happens too often due to the collision between player and if this happens between male and female then female could get more brutal injuries and more often death as well.Why not bring women's football as well into a popular game, all players are women means we can actually find more male audiences.
Not good in terms of possible injuries that those women will get into.
The idea of mixing those girls inside the field of a man is not right, like what you have said, inside the
battle field stronger and quicker big masculine are dominating the game, how this girls will be able to
stop them especially if they are already on their momentum, it's hard to stop a person who completely
eager to make a point, whoever in front of them will be taken for granted.
August 06, 2020, 12:35:56 PM
Men's league is simply too much for women. Not that I'm saying that they're weak or whatever but it's just that men tend to get more physical and more aggressive in their play style against anyone in the field in a contact sport such as football. Also, one reason I see why this would not pan out very well is through fan objection. Men usually hold back when they are pitted against women, giving them some form of 'handicap' on matches which isn't really enjoyable and fair to bettors and fans alike. If this is a non-contact sport then I would definitely agree, especially if it requires more skill and decision-making, but on a highly-physical game such as football, this is not a good idea.
August 06, 2020, 12:11:18 PM
Its not a good idea, and football is war like game and most furious injuries happens too often due to the collision between player and if this happens between male and female then female could get more brutal injuries and more often death as well.Why not bring women's football as well into a popular game, all players are women means we can actually find more male audiences.
August 06, 2020, 06:55:56 AM
It is quite unique as we were not able to expect this kind of situation to happen where women will start to play against men especially in football.
But for me, this kind of action is like a test whether women can really compete to men in football and if Elle Fokkema will be able to display a good
performance in football then it will surely change the future of football where women will be allowed to play against men. It is quite unique scenario but is
also good to watch as I am excited about the outcome especially if the men's team will be defeated by a women's team.
But for me, this kind of action is like a test whether women can really compete to men in football and if Elle Fokkema will be able to display a good
performance in football then it will surely change the future of football where women will be allowed to play against men. It is quite unique scenario but is
also good to watch as I am excited about the outcome especially if the men's team will be defeated by a women's team.
August 05, 2020, 10:16:15 PM
I agree if women are referee or coach of men's football team, but if women play in men's main team I think could not be done.
And also I often see that the game of professional female footballers cannot compete with male footballers. What the KNVB did
by giving permission to Elle Fokkema to join a male footballer was a wrong decision.
And also I often see that the game of professional female footballers cannot compete with male footballers. What the KNVB did
by giving permission to Elle Fokkema to join a male footballer was a wrong decision.
August 05, 2020, 08:18:17 PM
We should not underestimate the women nowadays for they can also do whatever a man can do. This will promote also the welfare of the women around the world. We have now Gender Equality for the women to get a good chance to every opportunity in every aspects like in working force. So, why not allow them to play in the senior men's team? Anyway, women can play along with the senior men's team especially young women players that are healthy. But if it really will not allow then better to find ways that will dignified the Gender Equality act on them to get fair opportunity to all the women.
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