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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on May 25, 2024, 02:58:17 AM

I think we heard it all and surely we all agree that this is not a good idea nor thinking about it every time we gamble.

If we are a responsible gambler, we don't have to compromise finances for the sake of gambling. Not that I call this useless stuff but it is not the necessary thing that we need to fund money.

This is all about funds management and keeping in mind that gambling ensures nothing but more losses. I am a gambler but just use only my extra money.
I believe that changing our gambling habits by minimizing our time spent and funds allocation is a good way of dealing with this.

Even though there's a high possibility of winning but still its not a good decision that we will borrow some money to someone else because we use that money in gambling. And we are all know that in gambling we can't win every time in short there's a chance that we will loss even though the chance is too high but if we are unlucky then we wont win what ever we do. So borrowing some money is not a good one.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on May 25, 2024, 02:58:17 AM

If we are a responsible gambler, we don't have to compromise finances for the sake of gambling. Not that I call this useless stuff but it is not the necessary thing that we need to fund money.

This is all about funds management and keeping in mind that gambling ensures nothing but more losses. I am a gambler but just use only my extra money.
I believe that changing our gambling habits by minimizing our time spent and funds allocation is a good way of dealing with this.

A friend once said that everyone has a level of risk tolerance that they can accommodate and that it doesn't really matter if someone takes out a loan to gamble or not. He further said that "what really matters is if they can handle the risk attached to such an attitude."

I brought this up because some people believe that using loan money to gamble is not bad at all, and believe me, we all have different opinions about this issue. As for me, gambling with money that does not belong to you is against my principles, but something someone else can consider is a very cool thing.

Even if someone must gamble with loan money, they should have another source of repayment for that loan.

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They will have to swallow the hardest pill because soon they will come to realize that no man is an island, and they need someone's help.

With that, they will humble themselves to the friends that haven't tolerated them but instead given an advice on how they should deal with their addiction.

And saying that taking a loan for gambling is never been a good thing and it only going to cause more problems to their personal lives.

Yes, for gamblers who are greedy and addicted, their lives will definitely suffer because of the consequences of their wrong thinking patterns and behavior, and they immediately regret it and realize it when it is too late, namely that their lives often have problems continuously and they are unable to solve these problems quickly. Only then did he try to ask other people for help to ease the burden of problems in his life.
But will the other person want to help him because previously he was just ignored? obviously this is not possible.
It is clear that borrowing other people's loans is not recommended for gamblers and this should be avoided as much as possible by gamblers.

There are warnings and payouts for borrowing money, along with consequences, but getting stuck and needing a little something to get out of, you are not a compulsive gambler but you still want a loan immediately when you still know you can afford it, it's great when friends or services have an easy process. The biggest difference is the shortfall in money every month and no additional income, gambling is short-term thinking to compensate, then loans appear, larger deficits lead to larger loans, a terrifying prospect, so we can lose gambling but don't get involved in loans when it's an incremental iterative process

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Quote from: zuzie on May 25, 2024, 02:31:29 AM

Yes, for gamblers who are greedy and addicted, their lives will definitely suffer because of the consequences of their wrong thinking patterns and behavior,

Are there really not greedy gamblers? Any player wants to get an (easy) win, and it is greed that stimulates gambling. And gambling addiction is the next level of gambling, which all players will definitely step on if they don’t give up this bad habit called gambling in time.

Quote from: zuzie on May 25, 2024, 02:31:29 AM

and they immediately regret it and realize it when it is too late, namely that their lives often have problems continuously and they are unable to solve these problems quickly.

It seems to me that you are romanticizing. Gambling addicts are practically incapable of regret and awareness, and they only want to get the next dose of sensations (like an addict) from gambling. What did you expect from people with a distorted mental and emotional state?

Quote from: zuzie on May 25, 2024, 02:31:29 AM

Only then did he try to ask other people for help to ease the burden of problems in his life.

Of course, as soon as problems accumulate, you immediately want to share this with the people around you.

But would a gambler remember these people if he hit the jackpot?

Quote from: zuzie on May 25, 2024, 02:31:29 AM

But will the other person want to help him because previously he was just ignored? obviously this is not possible.

It is permissible to help only as much as you are willing to donate (give for free). And helping an addicted gambler so that he continues to lose (already your money) looks, to put it mildly, irrational.

Quote from: zuzie on May 25, 2024, 02:31:29 AM

It is clear that borrowing other people's loans is not recommended for gamblers and this should be avoided as much as possible by gamblers.

It is permissible to borrow, but only as much as you can repay. More often than not, people like to borrow but not repay, and this is not necessarily related to gambling. It’s just that in addicted gamblers it reaches the pathological stage.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on May 25, 2024, 05:27:33 AM

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Yes, for gamblers who are greedy and addicted, their lives will definitely suffer because of the consequences of their wrong thinking patterns and behavior, and they immediately regret it and realize it when it is too late, namely that their lives often have problems continuously and they are unable to solve these problems quickly. Only then did he try to ask other people for help to ease the burden of problems in his life.
But will the other person want to help him because previously he was just ignored? obviously this is not possible.
It is clear that borrowing other people's loans is not recommended for gamblers and this should be avoided as much as possible by gamblers.

Greedy gamblers will not thinks about the other thinks because they only focus with their gambling activity and will prepare more money to keeps playing gambling. Even if they borrow money from other people, that will be okay for them and they can makes thousand reasons to those who wants to lend them money. If one person don't wants to helps them, they will search the other people until they can gets person that will lend some money. It will not recommended to borrow other people money because if we don't how to pay the money back, that will just gives a problem. Other people will chase us and asks for that money and more problems will to us if we can't repay the money. That's why we must not borrow money just to playing gambling because the risks is big.

Yes, there is no sense of satisfaction for a greedy gambler or those who always apply greed in themselves when engaging in gambling, as you say that most likely they will only continue to maximize their gambling capital with the following intentions and goals in the hope of getting a much larger number of wins, and yes it is true that not a few of them always make loans as an alternative to funding their gambling activities, when in fact they themselves do not think about how they pay for it, but with the belief that they will definitely win then they do not hesitate to take some loans to other people or services.

And this is also the trigger why a gambler can fall into or get into debt. And it is a fact that once a gambler has tried borrowing money to gamble, it is likely that they will find it difficult to get out of the habit of borrowing, and the scenario is usually that they will borrow more money from other people with a larger amount and use some of the money to pay off the previous debt and some of the money to gamble and this is where various bad problems will occur that can cause significant stress, and this is also the reason why borrowing money to gamble is really not recommended.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on May 25, 2024, 05:27:33 AM

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They will have to swallow the hardest pill because soon they will come to realize that no man is an island, and they need someone's help.

With that, they will humble themselves to the friends that haven't tolerated them but instead given an advice on how they should deal with their addiction.

And saying that taking a loan for gambling is never been a good thing and it only going to cause more problems to their personal lives.

Yes, for gamblers who are greedy and addicted, their lives will definitely suffer because of the consequences of their wrong thinking patterns and behavior, and they immediately regret it and realize it when it is too late, namely that their lives often have problems continuously and they are unable to solve these problems quickly. Only then did he try to ask other people for help to ease the burden of problems in his life.
But will the other person want to help him because previously he was just ignored? obviously this is not possible.
It is clear that borrowing other people's loans is not recommended for gamblers and this should be avoided as much as possible by gamblers.

Greedy gamblers will not thinks about the other thinks because they only focus with their gambling activity and will prepare more money to keeps playing gambling. Even if they borrow money from other people, that will be okay for them and they can makes thousand reasons to those who wants to lend them money. If one person don't wants to helps them, they will search the other people until they can gets person that will lend some money. It will not recommended to borrow other people money because if we don't how to pay the money back, that will just gives a problem. Other people will chase us and asks for that money and more problems will to us if we can't repay the money. That's why we must not borrow money just to playing gambling because the risks is big.

I have crafted a pragmatic method for handling situations where colleagues request financial assistance.Utilizing a modest sum such as $100 I use as a benchmark for their dependability is shrewd.It affords me the chance to evaluate their integrity and reliability while also setting clear parameters for future interactions.By ensuring they fulfill their repayment obligations,I establish mutual understanding and accountability.This approach effectively shields against the possibility of burdensome relationships,fostering exchanges built on mutual respect and responsibility.

I had a colleague that asked $100 and I gave him the money.When he asked for more money I said to him,I can give you but first give me my money back together with the interest of each passing day that you have not paid me yet.

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Quote from: zuzie on May 25, 2024, 02:31:29 AM

Quote from: livingfree on May 25, 2024, 01:57:14 AM

They will have to swallow the hardest pill because soon they will come to realize that no man is an island, and they need someone's help.

With that, they will humble themselves to the friends that haven't tolerated them but instead given an advice on how they should deal with their addiction.

And saying that taking a loan for gambling is never been a good thing and it only going to cause more problems to their personal lives.

Yes, for gamblers who are greedy and addicted, their lives will definitely suffer because of the consequences of their wrong thinking patterns and behavior, and they immediately regret it and realize it when it is too late, namely that their lives often have problems continuously and they are unable to solve these problems quickly. Only then did he try to ask other people for help to ease the burden of problems in his life.
But will the other person want to help him because previously he was just ignored? obviously this is not possible.
It is clear that borrowing other people's loans is not recommended for gamblers and this should be avoided as much as possible by gamblers.

Greedy gamblers will not thinks about the other thinks because they only focus with their gambling activity and will prepare more money to keeps playing gambling. Even if they borrow money from other people, that will be okay for them and they can makes thousand reasons to those who wants to lend them money. If one person don't wants to helps them, they will search the other people until they can gets person that will lend some money. It will not recommended to borrow other people money because if we don't how to pay the money back, that will just gives a problem. Other people will chase us and asks for that money and more problems will to us if we can't repay the money. That's why we must not borrow money just to playing gambling because the risks is big.

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Quote from: zuzie on May 25, 2024, 02:31:29 AM

Yes, for gamblers who are greedy and addicted, their lives will definitely suffer because of the consequences of their wrong thinking patterns and behavior, and they immediately regret it and realize it when it is too late, namely that their lives often have problems continuously and they are unable to solve these problems quickly. Only then did he try to ask other people for help to ease the burden of problems in his life.
But will the other person want to help him because previously he was just ignored? obviously this is not possible.
It is clear that borrowing other people's loans is not recommended for gamblers and this should be avoided as much as possible by gamblers.

It would be very difficult to help a greedy and same time addicted gambler, such individual would need constant therapy and avoid things that would expose him/her from gambling for a long period. Greed has played a role in making many individuals addicted become addicted to gambling, for instance an individual who wins and tries to double his profit then lose and start chasing loses, would likely be very addicted to it.

And as we know it's mostly someone who's addicted to gambling that would be so desperate to loan money for gambling, I mean a responsible gambler won't even think of such cause they know the consequences and how it could affect them. On a serious note, I'll be very pained to discover that a close friend who I loaned some money used it to gamble and I'll have second thoughts whenever they come back for help again.

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I think we heard it all and surely we all agree that this is not a good idea nor thinking about it every time we gamble.

If we are a responsible gambler, we don't have to compromise finances for the sake of gambling. Not that I call this useless stuff but it is not the necessary thing that we need to fund money.

This is all about funds management and keeping in mind that gambling ensures nothing but more losses. I am a gambler but just use only my extra money.
I believe that changing our gambling habits by minimizing our time spent and funds allocation is a good way of dealing with this.

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Quote from: livingfree on May 25, 2024, 01:57:14 AM

They will have to swallow the hardest pill because soon they will come to realize that no man is an island, and they need someone's help.

With that, they will humble themselves to the friends that haven't tolerated them but instead given an advice on how they should deal with their addiction.

And saying that taking a loan for gambling is never been a good thing and it only going to cause more problems to their personal lives.

Yes, for gamblers who are greedy and addicted, their lives will definitely suffer because of the consequences of their wrong thinking patterns and behavior, and they immediately regret it and realize it when it is too late, namely that their lives often have problems continuously and they are unable to solve these problems quickly. Only then did he try to ask other people for help to ease the burden of problems in his life.
But will the other person want to help him because previously he was just ignored? obviously this is not possible.
It is clear that borrowing other people's loans is not recommended for gamblers and this should be avoided as much as possible by gamblers.

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Quote from: bubilas on May 24, 2024, 06:42:35 AM

It is a pity that the governments of countries do not prohibit people suffering from severe gambling addiction from taking out loans. I hope that in the future they will create a database of those who are not trustworthy in paying off debts ...

in my country, the government has a database that contains data on citizens and their financial health conditions. in that database, each person is rated based on a range of 1-5, and 5 is the worst score. later, with this database, banks or institutions that distribute loans can see a person's financial health score and determine whether they get a loan or not. this is a good way, because that way a person can't get a loan when they have bad credit in many places and that way they can be more responsible on their loans.

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Quote from: zuzie on May 24, 2024, 08:51:09 PM

Quote from: livingfree on May 24, 2024, 06:35:24 PM

It is the gambler's problem if he's got a tough character when he can't adjust even if he's the one in need. In need of loan and in need of someone to be there for him.

That's the hard thing nowadays when you're in need and you cannot adjust your attitude and you're the one having trouble to your own life. And when your friends give you advises on what you must do to have a good ending, you will not like them because you'll justify that you are living your life in your own.

Yes, because of his tough nature, he thinks that he is good at managing himself in gambling and he also feels that he is the right one and doesn't need other people's help in any form.
And it's true what you said, this is something that is very difficult to improve in the form of better self-control because people like this are not easily given good advice, in fact they just ignore it and think that good advice is just nonsense.
If we meet someone like this, it's better to keep quiet and see how long it takes for him to realize that he will immediately stop the selfishness within him and let him realize his bad behavior himself.

They will have to swallow the hardest pill because soon they will come to realize that no man is an island, and they need someone's help.

With that, they will humble themselves to the friends that haven't tolerated them but instead given an advice on how they should deal with their addiction.

And saying that taking a loan for gambling is never been a good thing and it only going to cause more problems to their personal lives.

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Quote from: bubilas on May 24, 2024, 06:42:35 AM

It is a pity that the governments of countries do not prohibit people suffering from severe gambling addiction from taking out loans. I hope that in the future they will create a database of those who are not trustworthy in paying off debts.
And I hope that banks will be much stricter about the purpose of the loan, because problem gamblers should never play with borrowed funds.

Banks usually do not have data on anyone who has gambled and has a serious gambling addiction. So I think it will be impossible to do unless the bank collaborates with gambling service providers or conducts intensive interviews with people closest to the borrower.
But banks have a database of customers and their borrowing history. I think every country has a database of customers who have taken out bank loans and their credibility history. If someone doesn't pay or is often in arrears, the bank can see it and that person can no longer be given a loan.

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Of course, the borrower doesn't know whether we have the money or not, but it is clear that the party who lent the money will definitely want the money to be returned to the individual, especially if they borrow it from an official company such as a bank, of course there will be other dangerous risks when they don't. can pay off the debt he has incurred. Maybe the bank could confiscate the property owned by the borrower. because of course the bank will not let them continue to relax, of course they have to pay off the debt they have incurred. by them borrowing money to gamble is just their way of ruining their lives. because even gambling does not provide a guarantee that they will definitely win to help their finances.

Even borrowing money not for gambling can ruin someone's life. If you really want to borrow money, you must first consider whether we can pay it off or not, because if not, there will of course be a big risk that could destroy us in the future. What you say is correct, loan funds must be used for meaningful and productive things that are truly positive and will be profitable for the future.

Money borrowing is like dancing with Satan. One mistake spells disaster. To be honest, banks don't care about you. Your interest payments sustain these enterprises. You're risking more than a few bucks when you borrow, especially for gaming. You're risking everything financially. All loans are potential disasters disguised as aid. Consider that if you can't pay it back, you risk bad credit, collection harassment, and bankruptcy. Is borrowing ever wise? You can, but be wise. You must have a sound repayment plan before taking out a loan. If your repayment method rely on anything uncertain, like winning large at the casino, you're doomed

with those who have taken out a loan, of course they have risked everything they have until they take out a loan to bet again because they have run out of everything they have because they gambled on gambling, of course with the hope that every gamble they make can result in a win so they think they can reverse the situation. Of course, if they have problems with non-payment, it will be difficult for them later, whether they will be subject to fines or other things from the borrower and if they borrow the money from official parties such as banks, the consequences in my opinion will be quite serious.

with those who have borrowed money, I think they have not considered it well, because if they had considered it well, perhaps they would not have taken this big risky action. but when they lose in gambling and can't control themselves then they decide on actions that are not considered, it's natural because the attached emotions make them unable to consider it, if they can control themselves maybe they can control their emotions and of course the actions that are not considered will not happen. It's true what you said if they depend on gambling which can help them pay off their debts then that is a disaster.

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Quote from: Obari on May 24, 2024, 08:54:03 AM

I feel for people who engage in such, borrowing money to gamble,this is one thing that will definitely kill you because borrowing money to gamble is like putting yourself at more risk of depression, because that game you gamble on might dissappoint you,as well as the person you borrowed the money from will embarrass you.
There is need to hold a seminar on gambling,to let gamblers and newbies who are just entering into gambling know the bad effects of gambling,and the worst things involved in borrowing money to gamble.Those are doing these needs to stop,else they will suffer depression.

Borrowing money to gamble is like killing slowly because it will bring great pressure where the gambler has to return the loan money along with interest. Gambling with borrowed money will not guarantee us winning and being able to return the borrowed money because in fact we will be faced with defeat and defeat because gambling is full of risks, it is better to gamble with the money we have rather than having to force ourselves to gamble with borrowed money because if we cannot win and lose all the money it will only ruin our lives because life is full of piling up debts and that will also give rise to bad habits.

Usually people borrow money to gamble because they are too chasing the losses they experience and dare to take risks by borrowing money and hope to recover the losses they experience but without realizing that gambling is a game of chance and chasing losses is very risky, especially with borrowed money so it is true. Gambling with borrowed money will cause depression and stress and people can also go crazy if their mental health is disturbed. I have also heard stories of people committing suicide because of debt everywhere caused by gambling.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on May 24, 2024, 06:59:38 PM

Yes, one should not borrow and gamble. When we gamble, we don't keep in mind that it is someone's money. Out of control, we might lose everything, and furthermore, we think that we should've stopped earlier. It is always good to think wisely and stay within limits. When you're in a situation to borrow and gamble, it is a pure indication that you're addicted. This means you should correct yourself, and there might be successful stories of people making good money out of gambling. We should not expect the same to happen to us.

Self-control has an important role in gambling and with those who borrow money to gamble, I think they are people who do not have good self-control, because the act of borrowing money to gamble is of course a big risky action, with the consequence that losses will definitely occur and On the other hand, we must be able to pay off the loan debt, and if they hope that a miracle with the gambling they do will result in a win and make them have a certain amount of money, perhaps even more than what they want, that is very unlikely. even if they manage to get a win, it might only be a small win.

It's true what you say, we should be able to gamble wisely, including with our thoughts which will determine the actions we will take when we think about it. and I think wise gamblers will of course not take actions that carry a big risk that could harm them, of course when the gambling they do ends in defeat then what they will do is stop, not continue gambling, especially by borrowing money here and there to bet again. There are also not many wise gamblers like that, because many gamblers are those who cannot control themselves with the gambling they do.

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IMHO, the gambler will eventually realize that the care is there from the true friend that suggests him to quit and doesn't tolerate his addiction.

He may think as much as he can that he's not getting help and they're not real friends. But as we have said, real friends will never tolerate their friends for their bad actions.

And those actions are going to put them into a bad situation that they may have hard time of getting out.

Yes, awareness will definitely come after someone experiences feelings that are unfair to themselves, even though behind all that there must be a reason why other people have carried out this behavior towards the gambler, with the aim of making the gambler immediately aware and able to stop being addicted to gambling.
However, if the gambler can restrain and control his emotions well then the friendship will be fine, but if the gambler has a tough character and is easily emotional, the friendship will definitely be strained.

It is the gambler's problem if he's got a tough character when he can't adjust even if he's the one in need. In need of loan and in need of someone to be there for him.

That's the hard thing nowadays when you're in need and you cannot adjust your attitude and you're the one having trouble to your own life. And when your friends give you advises on what you must do to have a good ending, you will not like them because you'll justify that you are living your life in your own.

Yes, because of his tough nature, he thinks that he is good at managing himself in gambling and he also feels that he is the right one and doesn't need other people's help in any form.
And it's true what you said, this is something that is very difficult to improve in the form of better self-control because people like this are not easily given good advice, in fact they just ignore it and think that good advice is just nonsense.
If we meet someone like this, it's better to keep quiet and see how long it takes for him to realize that he will immediately stop the selfishness within him and let him realize his bad behavior himself.

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Quote from: KennyR on May 24, 2024, 06:45:40 PM

Borrowing money for gambling is not supported by most users because we don't have the assurance that you'll be able to repay it within the mentioned timeline. With gambling, one is risking the money with the hope of winning, but he or she isn't sure of the outcome. When you borrow to gamble, you need to think of the repayment with interest. When your plan doesn't get executed, you need to make arrangements for the interest to be paid in the upcoming months. Once you've learned to borrow and gamble, the habit will continue. It'll be hard to break, so it is good that you don't go by that.

When they have run out of money because of gambling, of course borrowing money is not recommended because it is very likely that they will have difficulty being able to pay it, because they have no other income to make money from. It is clear that the goal of most people who gamble is to be able to double their money, but the results that occur from the gambling they do are often inversely proportional, many experience losses because defeat will dominate more than winning, so it is normal for them to experience more losses than wins. victory, there is also no certainty about the victory that can be obtained.
Of course, when they want to borrow money, they usually only think about being able to pay it off when they gamble again using the money from the loan, instead of wanting to improve the situation, but that only makes the situation worse where they will most likely still experience losing money and they have to be able to pay off the debt from the loan which of course will be a pressure for themselves.

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Yes, one should not borrow and gamble. When we gamble, we don't keep in mind that it is someone's money. Out of control, we might lose everything, and furthermore, we think that we should've stopped earlier. It is always good to think wisely and stay within limits. When you're in a situation to borrow and gamble, it is a pure indication that you're addicted. This means you should correct yourself, and there might be successful stories of people making good money out of gambling. We should not expect the same to happen to us.

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Borrowing money for gambling is not supported by most users because we don't have the assurance that you'll be able to repay it within the mentioned timeline. With gambling, one is risking the money with the hope of winning, but he or she isn't sure of the outcome. When you borrow to gamble, you need to think of the repayment with interest. When your plan doesn't get executed, you need to make arrangements for the interest to be paid in the upcoming months. Once you've learned to borrow and gamble, the habit will continue. It'll be hard to break, so it is good that you don't go by that.

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