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So here is a little FAQ about FPGAMINING :

(

Disclosure - I own 60 shares bought @ 0.83  (out of 3915 sold so far to investors).

So I prefer it all goes well with this stock - like all of us.

)

Pic of the operation:



Is it a bond or a stock? What is the Contract ?

- It pays dividends based on mined coins each week. So this makes it a stock technically.
No fixed % rate promised in contract on glbse.

It just so happens/happened that the initial dividend per week was ~ 3.5 - 3.7 % of the initial price of around 1 btc/share. Which makes it look like a fixed % mining bond...

Most mining operations are bonds and since the word bond is used unproperly in the Contract ( owner has done a mistake in the wording of the contract... ) -

Here I quote the contract:
"
Full contract:
This bond is a for share in a very large FPGA (high efficiency) mining operation. Bond holders will receive weekly coupon payments of the total BTCs mined by the pool less energy and administrative costs (both minimal due to using ONLY low energy use FPGAs procured in bulk at significant discount). Coupon payments will be made Monday for the previous 7 days of mining activity. The coupons will grow as the FPGA cluster is increased in size. The initial clusters are running and significant size/space improvements will occur concurrently. The issuer can buy back the bond at any time at a price equal to 1.05 times the average price the asset was traded on GLBSE over the previous 1 week.
Issuer reserves the right to upgrade to ASICs in lieu of FPGA clusters as economics warrant.
"

- Do you see a fixed % rate in the Contract? No.
- Do you see the word bond in there ? Yes....
- Is it bound to a specific MHash/s ? No



Keep reading.

How are dividends calculated ?

Quite from an email 5 days ago with more details:

"
From: moparguy email

To: intel's email

Message:

Sorry about my slow response....I work a 9-5 so have limited time for emailing.

Yes I am still mining. If you check out the bitcointalk.org posting you can see pictures of my FPGA mining rigs.

The dividends are calculated based on that week's BTC output of the percent of my mining operation that has been sold via shares. I setup my own operation before doing the GLBSE listing, and as of yet, the bulk of the operation is still fully owned by me and not paying dividends to anyone  but me. As I sell shares, more of my operation becomes owned by shareholders, and they will receive dividends based on that portion. The portion of the operation that is paying dividends on GLBSE is approx 80x FPGA Mining brand x6500 dual fpga miners (160 total Xilinx Spartan 6 processors).

I don't want the shares to drop, but some have been selling at very low prices.....
"




2. Why has the dividend dropped a bit recently ?

- 1st a reduction from ~ 3.5% to ~ 2.5% was voted in a motion to allocate funds for an upgrade

- 2nd we have this :

- the dividends paid last 3 times are:

2012-09-03 00:05   77.8433383   3094   0.02515945
2012-09-10 10:15   79.94562932   3548   0.02253259
2012-09-17 12:21   79.1999802   3915   0.02022988

And the difficulty was

http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-10k.png

in that period.

So what is the reason for the dividend drop on 09-17 vs 09-10 ? The diff is the same.

Owner said this via email:

"To answer your email on 8/19- I utilize pools that use DGM payout most of the time, so the payout isn't as stable as PPS pools, but with lower fees and eventually higher payouts. So deviation is expected with DGM."


This DGM payout and the difficulty increase should explain the dividends fluctuations and the decrease:


Payment date |   Total paid |    Shares paid |   Payment per share
2012-07-12 22:22   6.13577956   164   0.03741329
2012-07-16 07:16   16.77135975   435   0.03855485
2012-07-23 01:02   61.99999669   1633   0.03796693
2012-07-30 00:01   131.7347848   4040   0.03260762
2012-08-06 01:49   153.7775064   5040   0.03051141
2012-08-13 00:02   42.6327102   1230   0.03466074
2012-08-20 11:04   61.1753128   1645   0.03718864
2012-08-27 11:26   73.27188698   2671   0.02743238
2012-09-03 00:05   77.8433383   3094   0.02515945
2012-09-10 10:15   79.94562932   3548   0.02253259
2012-09-17 12:21   79.1999802   3915   0.02022988




Why is the shares paid going up recently ? Is he dilluting the price on purpose ?

- Most probably not deliberately to drop the price.

- But - the owner has sold some to new investrs obviously . But why is he doing this on a falling price ? Needs answer.

- Why isnt the owner keeping the stock for himself to force people's money to  chase the current stock in circulation?  - thus the price would stay stable / rise... and we wouldnt have to argue and lose time thinking...

How reputable is moparguy?

Pros:

- He is fully verified with GLBSE:
(green tick on these : )
    Phone number:         Photo I.D:   
   Home address:         
   Email address:         


- He answers all emails not later than 2 days (at least intel's emails)

- The tone in the emails is calm and shows he cares.

- Posted photos of the mining operation.

- said he mines at ozcoin - at the time he said that - checked - it is so. Later I checked and his username was no more in the lsit. But he says he does anonymous mining and uses several pools - probably p2pool also..  So its ok he is off ozcoin ... just needed an answer..

- ( this one is a pro and a con ) He said in an email 2 days ago:

"To answer your email on 9/21-I didn't realize scam accusations were flying around. "





- Cons:

- he does not check the forum thread often enough... -  does not have the time needed to answer all the investor questions..




What will happen now ?

Possible scenarios:

- No buyback:

- Confidence eventually comes back up - if he keeps paying dividend and we see a stable number of "Shares paid" from now on (means he does not sell more shares in the future... at least for a while... ). Thus the dividend paid to share price ratio will be good enough to attract investors money...


- A  buyback/partial-buyback happens at a "fair" price - a price between the current and the historic average of .80

- A buyback/partial-buyback happens as per contract "last_week_avg + 5%"


Owner wrote in last email he is having all the best intentions and is thinking about how to come out of this situation...

His way of thinking currently is that the whole operation takes too much of his time to manage. He has a 9-5 job.

So he is seeking a way to stop the scam-accusation emails and hatred... Still he expressed that he wants this whole thing to turn out as fair to everybody as possible...



PS. Open for criticism and questions - my logic could be flawed somewhere...  Tell me if so.

member
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"That is the problem... a casual management style. A lack of communication from the issuer regarding selling of shares at an unreasonably low price is a serious red flag. No wonder you got emails moparguy. "

+1 - agree 100%

Audrux asked me via PM if I am moparguy's defence agent...

I answered "no - trying to find the truth and be objective and non-emotional"

FAQ and a status report below.
legendary
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The dividend is halted immediately. Please watch for upcoming motions.

Regarding your casual style of managing this asset, I just contacted Nefario, who advised me to inform you that GLBSE changed its default policy on scams (from doxing) to prosecuting.

That is the problem... a casual management style. A lack of communication from the issuer regarding selling of shares at an unreasonably low price is a serious red flag. No wonder you got emails moparguy. 
legendary
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Bitcoin is antisemitic
The dividend is halted immediately. Please watch for upcoming motions.

Regarding your casual style of managing this asset, I just contacted Nefario, who advised me to inform you that GLBSE changed its default policy on scams (from doxing) to prosecuting.
member
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or you can copy paste the lines from the glbse https://glbse.com/portfolio page...

Or provide a screenshot...

Is there a better way to prove that via GLBSE ?
member
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The only way you can get out of this without anyone feeling cheated is to sell the equipment that we paid for and return the money.

Isnt that the same as "buyback at the price each of us bought ?"

In effect the two are both "return my money back."

Someone more GLBSE-savvy to propose the best way to avoid cheats about who bought what at what price...

I used my glbse CSV export file and filtered it for FPGAMINING to generate a report about my holdings:

in linux shell its:

cat account_history.csv | grep FPGAMINING | grep "^buy"




member
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he said "no dividends" - but technically the contract would be broken on the 24th of Sep.

EDITED: Here I discussed possible buyback, but I will wait untill things settle before I post more . /EDITED

Moparguy told me he wants to delist the asset and get out of being a glbse manager - cause its too much work for him...

He also wrote in an email today he wants to do all this in a fair way for everybody...

legendary
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Hello all,

Answering emails, etc is taking larger amounts of my time and I am tired of emailed scam accusations. ... QQ ... I will review the buyback plan so that i can give the most value to shareholders, especially considering the large price declines of late. I don't want anyone to feel cheated. I will release a motion in the next week, so please be watching for it for any upcoming news.

The dividend is halted immediately.

Sure it is easier and profitable to mine on your own after you have taken everyone's money! Why did you stop paying dividends? The only way you can get out of this without anyone feeling cheated is to sell the equipment that we paid for and return the money.
sr. member
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Isn't stopping paying dividends (thus driving price down) scam? The contract doesn't allow it.

Problem is: diluting the shares means lower dividends. He could push dividends to zero dumping enough shares.

Wonder if dumping tonloads of shares once the bond has been announced to shutdown qualifies as scam. If it happens, we'll see if it does.

I still hope it won't come to this... after all, even if we assume this was his intention from the beginning, Moparguy can already make a really good (morally bad, whatever Tongue ) profit without completely destroying our value, and his reputation. 

For sure, I'll never again invest in shares that can be issued anytime under IPO price, however good they seem. Guess some lessons have to be learnt the hard way...
legendary
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Bitcoin is antisemitic
Isn't stopping paying dividends (thus driving price down) scam? The contract doesn't allow it.

Problem is: diluting the shares means lower dividends. He could push dividends to zero dumping enough shares.
sr. member
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Isn't stopping paying dividends (thus driving price down) scam? The contract doesn't allow it.

If the 25 there is no buyback and no dividend, I am making an accusation.
I will of course retract if we agree to decent buyback conditions.
legendary
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Bitcoin is antisemitic
He just needs to dump another boatload of shares keeping paying what he wants in dividends (wink, wink) to fix the price around 0.000001 for a week to setup his buyback (but hey: there is a +5%!).

At this point I am tempted to liquidate all my GLBSE shares. It's just a scammers' playground.
newbie
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Well, if OP really buys back, the last share buy is a 5% investment. Won't even this drive the price up?

Yes, some people aren't being very smart here. moparguy528 is paying a 5% bonus for shares. Anybody that buys now is guaranteed a 5% profit.


no, you only get 5% when you buy at the same or lower price, then the weekly average (next week).
so, moparguy528 didn't bought back directly, but waiting 1 week, he is just waiting for prices to drop.
and he has lowered the price actively in the last days by selling under ipo.
no one gives a guarantee that he wouldn't do that again.
sr. member
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Well, if OP really buys back, the last share buy is a 5% investment. Won't even this drive the price up?

If OP is acting to decrease price to buy back lower, like by selling new shares now, would this get him a scammer tag?

If there's anyone to complain about it's the buttmonkey who's running a bot on glbse that's pushed down prices on just about every share listed. Whoever it is should be banned from the exchange because he's buying up shares and selling them at a loss to preventing any kind of offering from getting funds.

 Huh
If a bot was able to do THIS it deserves my compliments. And, really, what would someone do that for??
newbie
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Don't worry: who bought around 1 BTC is going to get screwed anyway. And if the trend persists even who bought at 0.50.
yeah that seems to be for sure - maybe i should also create a fund with some money for high dividends, stopping dividends over night, wait for the price to drop to zero and say thank you for all the money i "earned" - man, that can't be true, firstly pirate and now in a more "legal" way almost the same, even if it is formulated harshyl.

The only way out is to push up the price, so all together cancel your low buying or selling orders, make some high ones, and we will all win - ok i am dreaming Wink - get out!! immediately Wink
legendary
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Will you buy back at the price equal to 1.05 * the average price of recent last week or the price, the week before you will actually perform the buy back?

Don't worry: who bought around 1 BTC is going to get screwed anyway. And if the trend persists even who bought at 0.50.
newbie
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Hello moparguy528,

concerning:
Quote
The issuer can buy back the bond at any time at a price equal to 1.05 times the average price the asset was traded on GLBSE over the previous 1 week.
Will you buy back at the price equal to 1.05 * the average price of recent last week or the price, the week before you will actually perform the buy back?
newbie
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Hello all,

Answering emails, etc is taking larger amounts of my time and I am tired of emailed scam accusations. I tried to setup a profitable endeavor for both you and I, but it was easier and more profitable mining alone.I have decided to begin buyback of the shares. I have many great investors, but they are overshadowed by constant emailed personal attacks as being a scammer. I am done dealing with that. I will review the buyback plan so that i can give the most value to shareholders, especially considering the large price declines of late. I don't want anyone to feel cheated. I will release a motion in the next week, so please be watching for it for any upcoming news.

The dividend is halted immediately. Please watch for upcoming motions.

Regards.
member
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wrote an email to him saying/asking basically teh same. Lets see his answer.

legendary
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Bitcoin is antisemitic
moparguy: please say something.

Never mind: it's all in the dividend payments. Francesco is right on the money:

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