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legendary
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January 11, 2019, 08:41:39 PM
Yes, lets pretend again like it is obvious that you are right and I am wrong, then conveniently walk away without replying. I am sure it has nothing to do with a lack of an argument. No, you are just feeling casual I am sure.

Not casual at all.
This is self preservation. You're dangerous for the mental health of anyone with a brain so I don't argue with you. But that doesn't mean I can't pinpoint when you say really ridiculous things. Smiley

No, I know you aren't. You try way too hard and pretty reliably fall on your face almost every time. Interesting, why would any ideas be dangerous to your mental health if you already weren't unstable and basing your belief systems on lies?  Sounds an awful lot like you need to make personal attacks because you have zero factual arguments to reply with.
legendary
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January 11, 2019, 04:23:54 PM
Lol!  As liberal and biased as NPR is, at least they value facts.  No matter how much the MSM attempts to spin the truth, the facts can't be hidden any longer.  One of their own just outed their lies:

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/27/670807343/fact-check-whats-happening-on-the-u-s-mexico-border

7000 invaders at the Tijuana border.  Thousands attempted to bumrush the border crossing in an attempt to "protest" the slow process of invading our country.

ROFLMFAO!  The double speak is palpable.

450 apprehended yesterday trying to cross the border, 25% are not from Mexico or Central America.
legendary
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January 11, 2019, 12:44:19 PM
Now there is for many of society's needs a third option.

I agree.

We had "all done by state" or "all done by private corp". Most systems going in between in a complicate equilibrium, always a bit shitty.

Now we have the "all done by ourselves cause we can be our own government".

I don't see downsides to this. I'm ultra left, I think it's the best possible thing. It's like communism, but actually working  Grin

I am interested in the ways that crypto currency can change society and our lives. Not really sure about which ways will prove with time to be superior, but am certain big changes are coming.

It's impossible for these not to have an impact on the traditional dichotomy of communism/capitalism and as you note, their interplay in any particular societal construct.
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January 11, 2019, 08:21:34 AM
Now there is for many of society's needs a third option.

I agree.

We had "all done by state" or "all done by private corp". Most systems going in between in a complicate equilibrium, always a bit shitty.

Now we have the "all done by ourselves cause we can be our own government".

I don't see downsides to this. I'm ultra left, I think it's the best possible thing. It's like communism, but actually working  Grin
legendary
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January 10, 2019, 07:38:17 AM
Those "enterprising individuals" are now your government, but they answer to no one.  Those fees collected via microtransactions are your taxes except they aren't doing this for free.  They are going to charge as much as people are willing to pay in order to turn a profit. Your anarchocapitalist dreamworld is really just dictatorship by capital.  

I have not envisioned a utopia. Just noted that various possibilities exist currently, which have not in the prior history of civilization. In the past, many such things were "done by government," paid for by taxes collected. Now everything is changed.

In the past, this in part led to political theories such as communism and capitalism, and various gradations and nuances of them. Now there is for many of society's needs a third option.
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@cryptocommies
January 10, 2019, 12:59:58 AM
Those "enterprising individuals" are now your government, but they answer to no one.  Those fees collected via microtransactions are your taxes except they aren't doing this for free.  They are going to charge as much as people are willing to pay in order to turn a profit. Your anarchocapitalist dreamworld is really just dictatorship by capital. 
legendary
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January 09, 2019, 11:47:29 AM
I could give you many such examples. The question is really ridiculous isn't it?

You've made a gigantic leap there from "roads" to "healthcare" and then to "all".

The US healthcare system is a mess BECAUSE of the lock that insurance companies and big providers have on the government. That's a Kapitalist-Socialist system illustrative of the evil that socialistic policy engenders, not the evil of capitalism.

If you want to ignore the institutional changes made possible by crypto coins and micropayments, go ahead.

I'm not.

I'm just finding funny how you point out the evil of socialism while capitalism leads to the same thing...

Capitalism -> Capital gets rewarded -> Wealth gets concentrated at least temporary -> Individuals have the power to influence government and social rules -> your "Kapitalist-Socialist system"

Socialism -> More power to government -> At a point some individuals get most of the power with having selfish interests -> your "Kapitalist-Socialist system"

It's just that you put the blame on some kind of "socialism" while capitalism does the same thing just by another road.

Saying private companies would do better is stupid because the end result is the same.

It's not the same at all, but neither does this have anything to do with my comment about road funding and operation.

"Some individuals get most of the power (blah blah blah)" yeah some people are more skilled and capable that others.

Try to stick to the subject instead of meaningless generalities. Consider creating a village from scratch. Enterprising individuals go and build roads, and collect fees via crypto micropayments automatically. Never been possible before. Now it is.
legendary
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January 09, 2019, 11:36:18 AM
I could give you many such examples. The question is really ridiculous isn't it?

You've made a gigantic leap there from "roads" to "healthcare" and then to "all".

The US healthcare system is a mess BECAUSE of the lock that insurance companies and big providers have on the government. That's a Kapitalist-Socialist system illustrative of the evil that socialistic policy engenders, not the evil of capitalism.

If you want to ignore the institutional changes made possible by crypto coins and micropayments, go ahead.

I'm not.

I'm just finding funny how you point out the evil of socialism while capitalism leads to the same thing...

Capitalism -> Capital gets rewarded -> Wealth gets concentrated at least temporary -> Individuals have the power to influence government and social rules -> your "Kapitalist-Socialist system"

Socialism -> More power to government -> At a point some individuals get most of the power with having selfish interests -> your "Kapitalist-Socialist system"

It's just that you put the blame on some kind of "socialism" while capitalism does the same thing just by another road.

Saying private companies would do better is stupid because the end result is the same.
legendary
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January 09, 2019, 11:32:36 AM

Micropayments, using square codes, RFID, visual scanners, and crypto payments would conceivably enable every road to be operated and built by commercial companies.


Give me one example where commercial companies are more efficient than public funded companies.

Cause when I look at USA healthcare and French healthcare, all I see is US healthcare costs 50% more without bein more efficient or fair...

I could give you many such examples. The question is really ridiculous isn't it?

You've made a gigantic leap there from "roads" to "healthcare" and then to "all".

The US healthcare system is a mess BECAUSE of the lock that insurance companies and big providers have on the government. That's a Kapitalist-Socialist system illustrative of the evil that socialistic policy engenders, not the evil of capitalism.

If you want to ignore the institutional changes made possible by crypto coins and micropayments, go ahead.




legendary
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January 09, 2019, 11:32:28 AM
Yes, lets pretend again like it is obvious that you are right and I am wrong, then conveniently walk away without replying. I am sure it has nothing to do with a lack of an argument. No, you are just feeling casual I am sure.

Not casual at all.
This is self preservation. You're dangerous for the mental health of anyone with a brain so I don't argue with you. But that doesn't mean I can't pinpoint when you say really ridiculous things. Smiley
legendary
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First Exclusion Ever
January 09, 2019, 11:26:04 AM
#99
Monopolies are illegal. If the government was doing its job it would be busting them and not supporting them.

xD

Again you're the best at making quotes mate.
Cheers.

Yes, lets pretend again like it is obvious that you are right and I am wrong, then conveniently walk away without replying. I am sure it has nothing to do with a lack of an argument. No, you are just feeling casual I am sure.
legendary
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January 09, 2019, 11:13:51 AM
#98
Monopolies are illegal. If the government was doing its job it would be busting them and not supporting them.

xD

Again you're the best at making quotes mate.
Cheers.
legendary
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January 09, 2019, 11:10:46 AM
#97
I like how every time you point out a capitalist that private companies aren't more efficient than public companies in such huge areas as healthcare they still say it's because of governments and regulations...

Anyway, private can't be more effective than public as to anything private and public can do, private has to add the profit costs. It's obvious and even a 5 year old could understand this but well...

It's supposed to be balanced by "competition" but you don't need a big brain to understand that competition disappears as soon as market has reached a monopoly point which always happens. You can't keep a tensed and competitive market forever it just isn't sustainable (like the whole capitalist system btw).

Oh really? Tell me. What does government produce? Whats that? Nothing? Oh right private industry does 100% of the production. Monopolies are illegal. If the government was doing its job it would be busting them and not supporting them. You are telling me about what is sustainable when you think the government produces when literally all it does is spend, regulate, and consume.
legendary
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January 09, 2019, 10:55:44 AM
#96
I like how every time you point out a capitalist that private companies aren't more efficient than public companies in such huge areas as healthcare they still say it's because of governments and regulations...

Anyway, private can't be more effective than public as to anything private and public can do, private has to add the profit costs. It's obvious and even a 5 year old could understand this but well...

It's supposed to be balanced by "competition" but you don't need a big brain to understand that competition disappears as soon as market has reached a monopoly point which always happens. You can't keep a tensed and competitive market forever it just isn't sustainable (like the whole capitalist system btw).
legendary
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January 09, 2019, 10:46:13 AM
#95

Micropayments, using square codes, RFID, visual scanners, and crypto payments would conceivably enable every road to be operated and built by commercial companies.


Give me one example where commercial companies are more efficient than public funded companies.

Cause when I look at USA healthcare and French healthcare, all I see is US healthcare costs 50% more without bein more efficient or fair...

How about all examples? As it is in the US we still have massive entitlement programs from the government for healthcare, regardless of how inefficient they are, and you ignore completely the governments role and pretend as if private industry is solely responsible. You don't get it. The pinnacle of corruption is having the private industry, then controlling the government to preserve your monopoly over it and make sure no competition arises. The government is nothing but a convenient tool for private industry anyway. Lets stop giving them the pretense of the benevolent government overlords to hide behind.
legendary
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January 09, 2019, 10:06:29 AM
#94

Micropayments, using square codes, RFID, visual scanners, and crypto payments would conceivably enable every road to be operated and built by commercial companies.


Give me one example where commercial companies are more efficient than public funded companies.

Cause when I look at USA healthcare and French healthcare, all I see is US healthcare costs 50% more without bein more efficient or fair...
legendary
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January 09, 2019, 10:00:44 AM
#93
Here is a talk by Sargon of Akkad, who I believe have a very firm grasp on this situation. He is talking in reference to the UK as well as the US, but his arguments are equally as valid. It is almost like he is speaking to our Postmodernist friends here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycEeDXusv7s
legendary
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January 09, 2019, 08:22:21 AM
#92
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But who will build the roads?!
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Micropayments, using square codes, RFID, visual scanners, and crypto payments would conceivably enable every road to be operated and built by commercial companies.

This is an example of an activity that governments are no longer needed for. There are many others.
legendary
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January 09, 2019, 03:17:46 AM
#91

Again, taxes are collected by force. You can pretend it is a choice but it is not. You feel like you are entitled the the fruits of the labor of others, and some how that is returning the means of production back to the workers?

If you don't like it well you can just get out... that argument sounds familiar.

It is not the same thing. At all. Your skull is full of pudding. Your brain has no substance or form, and your ideology flows like water to fill any space it is poured into. You have no principles, you don't even have reliable definitions for words. Your Postmodernist mind mush has rotted your brain, and now you are attempting to infect others with your mental disease.

How convenient your confusion of legal and illegal immigration allows you to make spurious claims about the contributions that illegal immigrants do not actually make to our economy. I am sure that was just an honest mistake and not a disingenuous attempt at trying to lie to support your argument.
So you think you should just be able to use our public resources for free?  Our roads, security, money, and lands make it easier to do the work you speak of and those things come with a fee.  Tax on earnings is that fee.  If you don't want tax, then live a modest life and you won't owe taxes.    Its not "if you don't like it, leave" its just a rebuttal to you thinking someone is holding a gun to your head making you do it.    This isn't North Korea.  No one will shoot you on your way out.  You have plenty of options that don't require you to owe tax.    You choose to owe taxes because you want to better your life.

I agree with you that illegal immigrants are a problem and that is precisely why I want to legalize most of the types of immigration that is done illegally now.  Then they will actually be legal immigrants.  That is what we are debating this whole time so of course I am going to talk about the benefits of the legal immigration I am trying to expand.  

But who will build the roads?!

This is a stale argument that can be more than addressed with responsible fiscal policy not infested with gigantic entitlement programs. This country didn't even have income tax until WW2, and it was supposed to be a temporary measure. Tariffs and sales taxes would be MORE THAN ENOUGH if the money was managed properly and not just promptly put into a dumpster and set on fire as is the current modus operandi.

Of course once again, this is all just a red herring argument for you to endlessly take this discussion off into 1000 side topics so you can avoid the painful fact that your favored policies are naive, ignorant, destructive for everyone involved, and most importantly unsustainable. Actually if you owe taxes now the IRS can have your passport revoked, so your argument about leaving when you want is not exactly valid either.

Oh I see! So simple! All we have to do is call them some thing else and the problem is solved! THANK YOU CAPTAIN POSTMODERN! You saved the day again by redefining words!
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@cryptocommies
January 09, 2019, 12:07:37 AM
#90

Again, taxes are collected by force. You can pretend it is a choice but it is not. You feel like you are entitled the the fruits of the labor of others, and some how that is returning the means of production back to the workers?

If you don't like it well you can just get out... that argument sounds familiar.

It is not the same thing. At all. Your skull is full of pudding. Your brain has no substance or form, and your ideology flows like water to fill any space it is poured into. You have no principles, you don't even have reliable definitions for words. Your Postmodernist mind mush has rotted your brain, and now you are attempting to infect others with your mental disease.

How convenient your confusion of legal and illegal immigration allows you to make spurious claims about the contributions that illegal immigrants do not actually make to our economy. I am sure that was just an honest mistake and not a disingenuous attempt at trying to lie to support your argument.
So you think you should just be able to use our public resources for free?  Our roads, security, money, and lands make it easier to do the work you speak of and those things come with a fee.  Tax on earnings is that fee.  If you don't want tax, then live a modest life and you won't owe taxes.    Its not "if you don't like it, leave" its just a rebuttal to you thinking someone is holding a gun to your head making you do it.    This isn't North Korea.  No one will shoot you on your way out.  You have plenty of options that don't require you to owe tax.    You choose to owe taxes because you want to better your life.

I agree with you that illegal immigrants are a problem and that is precisely why I want to legalize most of the types of immigration that is done illegally now.  Then they will actually be legal immigrants.  That is what we are debating this whole time so of course I am going to talk about the benefits of the legal immigration I am trying to expand.  
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