Topic: NPR's Border Fact Check - page 3. (Read 1500 times)

Wasn't it you that said this happened so long ago so what is the point in even trying when native culture cannot be further displaced at this point?  It would be nearly impossible to restore native cultural values. 

Frankly if they are integrated into American culture it doesn't matter. However if you let immigrants flood in there is no time for that to happen and the native culture is displaced, and the cultural values are lost, and that does matter.

You all gotta remember. If a Hispanic man takes his case to Federal District Court as a man, with the requirement for a jury of his peers, he will get 12 other Hispanics as his jury. How do you think they will vote?

Some of the most desolate places maybe in the whole world, excepting Antarctica, are along the US/Mexican border. Child care workers at those remote outposts?

What a frikking bunch of crazed talk. But its all in line with Alinsky's method of overwhelming social services in the targeted country, so this butt hole of a poster can complain all he wants but it's all in line with his attempts to overthrow existing systems.

I don't think he really cares about these people one bit.

Except you said:


So the part about them making an example out of her was hyperbole too? You don't just get to say insane shit like this and just walk it back like it didn't happen. This kind of statement is demonstrative of your hysterical and obsessive mindset over this issue where feelings count more than facts.

Those are some cute links. Don't see any torture there though. I see lots of extremists such as yourself claiming it is torture, I don't see any evidence of torture though. I think you just believe anyone who reaffirms your existing belief systems regardless of how nonsensical it is.

Intentionally designed to be inadequate? Inadequate for what? According to what standards? So you saying we aren't meeting the comfort needs of criminals trying to illegally invade our country? We really should step up our customer service shouldn't we? I suppose you are going to foot the bill for this too right?

First of all, bodies are found in the desert by the dozens all the time, yes including children, so they do in fact spend a lot of time in the desert. Second, learn how dehydration works. The damage is caused, then already injured they show up at the border, and morons like you blame it on the border patrol rather than their own dangerous behavior. Medical screening requires people be admitted in a legal an orderly fashion, illegal entry precludes screening by default unless captured. Only licensed childcare workers? LOL, you think that might create shortages for them for everyone else?

Nothing you are presenting is based in reality, and your feelings take precedence over facts you are presented.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/migrant-children-detail-experiences-border-patrol-stations-detention-centers_us_5b4d13ffe4b0de86f485ade8
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/un-trump-children-family-torture-separation-border-mexico-border-ice-detention-a8411676.html
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/12/31/migrant-children-pushed-and-dragged-mh-orig.cnn
Also a private system of detaining children for profit is capitalist nonsense to begin with. No ethic.  Just profit.

The hyperbole was saying that they "murdered" the little girl when they didn't literally murder her but essentially murdered her through a system that was intentionally designed to be inadequate.  Systemic racism doesn't target individuals and doesn't even involve an malintended killer at the point of attack.  Its much more complicated than that.

Even from your point of view that they are violating our rights, it should still be considered murder.  If you know someone is breaking into your property, and place a booby trap for them to fall into and die, it would still be murder.  This of course, is more complicated than that but the same logic.  The border patrol and detainment system is the booby trap. 

These children aren't spending a lot of time in the desert and aren't dying in the desert.  They are dying at the US border or in US custody.   Water in the desert would help prepare them so they aren't already dehyrdated before they are taken into a system that will make them go long times without water by design.  Other countries along their path have not had this issue and governments like Mexico have actually blamed the US for deaths. It shouldn't be that Mexico can do it in a more human way than the US. 

We could keep the awful system without murdering people by making simple changes to acknowledge humanity. 

-Immediately provide detainees with bottled water and hydration tablets
-Immediate medical screening for detainees (you should like this one since you're worried about disease)
-Immediate psychological counseling for detainees.
-Only licensed childcare workers working in child detention centers

A system designed WITHOUT proper care is a system designed to kill or torture. 

Oh please do post this "evidence" that is "piling up". Torture now? How quickly are you going to be scaling back that claim and then swearing it was just "hyperbole" when you get called out on it like when you claim ICE killed that little girl to punish people for crossing and send a message? That's not hyperbole btw, that is an accusation of genocide, but not like you give a fuck about an honest analysis of anyone you disagree with.

Ooooo they kicked jugs of water over. You know what they are more humanitarian than you are, because people like you convince these poorly prepared people that they should cross that dangerous desert because they think they can get in. Why would you take culpability for all the lives YOU caused to be lost by encouraging people to make that dangerous and illegal journey.

Also thanks to the freakout over the supposed separation of families (which was not new under Trump) designed to protect crossing children from CHILD ABUSERS, they now see bringing children with them (theirs or some one else's) as an exploit and an easy way to gain entry. So in effect you have now given these people direct incentive to drag children, often not even their own, through the fucking desert. Good job. You keep crying about some water jugs though while you totally ignore your own idiotic crimes.

The difference is that they are dying in custody now and children are being tortured in detention facilities.  We have video showing the abuse, video showing the destruction of water, and the body count.  The evidence is piling up. 

So what about the 8 year old boy who died last week? 

A bit of enticing water randomly placed in a 100 x 500 miles of desert.

And a promise that they're welcome.....

They naively start into that desert....

Yes, that sounds like murder to me.

ADDED:

It's quite interesting that illegals have been dying, like dozens per year for decades trying to sneak into the USA through dangerous routes like the desert, and the liberals never cared. Now there's some hot issue on the goose stepping liberal platform. Now suddenly they all care about this young girl that died.

Yeah right...

Lying cunts.

Is this thread about open borders or this girl? This is what you do constantly because you have no original thoughts or arguments of your own. You know you are losing this debate horribly so you decide to focus in on the minutia of this incident to try to make it look like you some how are informed because you discuss details so much. Really it is just so you can avoid the rest. The girl was not complaining of problems until she got on that bus. It was only after on that bus is when her father made it known she was ill. The fact that she sat around for 8 hours is no fault but her fathers for subjecting her to this, then not telling the patrol agents she was ill. Also during those 8 hours she had access to food and water, so your argument is pure horse shit. This is what happens when idiots like you tell these people they have a right to be here, they endanger themselves to cross illegally just to be detained. If anyone is responsible for her death it is YOU and people like you telling them to come.

Thank you for the correction.


By way of your reasoning public beaches must have child psychologists, pediatricians, and family social workers present because there is danger of drowning, and death or near death by shark attack.

In the real world there is no misconduct whatsoever. Frankly I'd prefer to have the child psychologists, pediatricians, and family social workers present at the inner city Chicago slum facilities than in random border stations in the desert of the border.

Me saying the border patrol "murdered" the girl is hyperbole. An example of a lie would be calling 8 hours "90 minutes".    If you knowingly neglect to provide childcare at a place that has a large influx of families without children, it only a matter of time before something like this happens. 

The misconduct is that they do not have proper staff for handling children at the facilities that receive them.  They knew a lot more people were coming with children and did nothing to add child specialists.  If you show me that they have child psychologists, pediatricians, and family social workers present at these facilities, then I will concede, until then, I will continued to say that they are criminally negligent.

You are misrepresenting the facts in your own link and pushing a fabricated story, in alleging misconduct by the Border Patrol.

Do you want to stop, or would you like it pointed out, fact by fact?

the 90 minute figure is just wrong and I had already posted an article with the timeline.  They went into custody at Antelope Falls which was a  bus ride to Lordsburg but they were held for eight hours before being bused. 


How can you mistake 9:15-6:25 as 90 minutes?

You've made some serious accusations and outright insults about people who I consider going out of their way to help people in their jobs as border agents.

I don't think you know anything about dehydration. Maybe look it up, ya think? because after serious damage to organs and systems occurs, 90 minutes one way or the other and water or saline solution isn't going to help.

You've brushed off the reality of near death with the phrase "Easily preventable?" That's not true, and not supportable. More mis statements of fact won't support it.

Yes, I am sure the dehydration was during that 90 minute bus ride, not the hike thru the desert that the father exposed her to.

So now you are the One who will with a keen eye, moralize on the actions of our border officers. But you have shown a consistent pattern of not telling the truth, so why should I believe you?

The border officers, on the other hand generally do tell the truth.

TECSHARE also said I don't know what happened to the girl.  The girl died due to dehydration which is easily preventable.  That is fact. 

You'd be wrong, but that's the norm.

In saying that without any facts to support your insult, you'd be making things up, otherwise known as lying. If you have facts, by all mean bring them forth, otherwise shut the fuck up, because you are insulting good people working in Border Patrol for clearly ideological biased reasons.