Topic: [NRS|NoirShares] POW ENDING at 50k | DACs | MANDATORY WALLET UPDATE 6/23/2014 - page 19. (Read 141592 times)

My opinion on DACs and project development:


Everyone needs to keep in mind that as of right now, not one developer has successfully created a DAC.  Bitshares is still in testing and it won't even be fully functional when it's released. Etherium and other 2.0 projects are still vapor. All except one, but I won't mention it here because I don't want to be accused of hyping and as of right now I'm the only one that considers it a DAC  . The closest so far is one gambling style coin, but it's not fully decentralized. My point is that this project as well as other 2.0 projects have a high probability of failure.  This is not a reflection on Barwizi, it's just the way it is.  A failed project doesn't make something a scam, and certainly not a project that has never been done before.

What I do ask from Barwizi is more transparency in the forum about what you are considering as a development idea and any progress made.  Don't worry, nobody is going to steal your idea.  Obviously, it's not that easy to make DACs.  

After we clarify the general fund accounts and the premine of course.

I've made all the points I have to make on this matter so this is going to be my last post here.

I do not believe that NRS or NoirGroup was created with the intent of being a scam, however, I do believe that Barwizi feels he is entitled to the funds that are missing and there is no reporting.  There have been MANY discussions asking for reporting and I never saw any, as the CFO indicated, he has not either.  During my time with the group I did not see any evidence of any board members doing anything under the radar besides Barwizi as I have documented previously.

I can assure you he'll come back with a list of "expenses" from the 250k premine (240k after 10k in giveaways), however, I highly doubt he will provide any PROOF anyone received the NRS (transaction ID's are NOT proof).  The 84k NRS that were used to buy into the General Fund should also be accounted for.  If they bought general fund shares, the general fund should have possession of them, right?

Will the tracking going forward be accurate?  Probably...at this point the CFO should have control over 100% of the funds (besides the 2th/s of miners being used for "expenses).  
Will additional coins be released?  Probably...not too hard to continue to clone...
Will the General Fund make their investment back?  Doubtful...it won't come from the mining and honestly Barwizi does not even understand what a true "DAC" is...
Will you see real proof the premine was spent for the good of NRS?  Not a chance in hell.

At this point PLEASE stop sending me messages asking me for more information, I've said all I have to say on the matter.  

It's obvious Barwizi cannot be trusted and I HIGHLY SUGGEST that the NoirGroup General Fund VOTE TO REMOVE BARWIZI AS CEO OF NOIRGROUP.

Goodbye.

First thing is there were definitely giveaways from the premine.  It's in the original thread and I personally remember discussing the giveaways from the Bitshares forum.  I remember being annoyed that I missed it.  

Re: NRS
« Sent to: JakeThePanda on: February 26, 2014, 09:20:46 PM »
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Quote from: JakeThePanda on February 26, 2014, 09:02:25 PM
How much were you giving away per person?  I didn't get any given to me.

i gave away a total of ~ 10k, you'll notice it has dried up now. lol
--Bar--  PiNEJGUv4AZVZkLuF6hV4xwbYTRp5etWWJ

That alone adjusts the premine balance to 240k.

Truth be told, I wasn't trying to discredit you in any way, you're doing just fine by yourself.
But let's face it, you're not helping in any way by spamming the same sh*t over and over again.
You say you're already over this, fine, just drop it and let the rest of us find out the real truth.

You really like to put a spin on words don't you. I NEVER said that I THINK it is a fake. Ever. Get that clear. I just had no way of knowing. Which is why my argument has been going under the presumption that it is real. So that said, you still are ignoring My question above. The chat that you have is no evidence of a scam. It just isn't. You are calling someone a scammer based on a purely speculative argument. You aren't suggesting that it "may be." You are outright saying we are dealing "with a scammer."

So you believe it is okay to discredit a person based on speculation? Or do you think that selling 130K coins and then telling people about it constitutes a scam? Because that is all you have right now.

please dont feed the troll.

here's a chat log that happened between GF and dev:

original link: http://pastebin.com/kyvSsHa3   

    [6/21/14, 1:33:09 PM] Pocket: Pocket added Koontas to this conversation
    [6/21/14, 1:34:06 PM] Koontas: (wave)  the perks of being a GF member...
    [6/21/14, 2:01:04 PM] wallaceliu007: welcome back lajz99
    [6/21/14, 2:01:23 PM] Koontas: (wave)
    [6/21/14, 2:16:49 PM] godzirra: Koontas why are you airing that dirty laundry on the forum?
    [6/21/14, 2:17:21 PM] Pocket: do you have proof?
    [6/21/14, 2:18:02 PM] godzirra: Can you take it down and discuss it here?
    [6/21/14, 2:19:58 PM] Koontas: Pocket would you like to see proof?
    [6/21/14, 2:20:05 PM] Koontas: Scroll up.
    [6/21/14, 2:20:23 PM] Koontas: And read the board chat.  Barwizi admitted to dumping 130k NRS that chocobo called him out on.
    [6/21/14, 2:20:27 PM] Pocket: how do you know that's from the gen fund premine?
    [6/21/14, 2:21:14 PM] Koontas: Pocket, have you EVER seen any evidence of what is held for the GF from the premine?
    [6/21/14, 2:21:51 PM] Pocket: no, but bar has been making a list of expenditures
    [6/21/14, 2:21:53 PM] Pocket: from it
    [6/21/14, 2:22:02 PM] Koontas: That is an outright lie Pocket.
    [6/21/14, 2:22:08 PM] Koontas: Expenditures for what?!?!
    [6/21/14, 2:22:15 PM] Pocket: dev and giveaways and such
    [6/21/14, 2:22:20 PM] Koontas: HAHAHAHA
    [6/21/14, 2:22:24 PM] Koontas: you are so blind pocket
    [6/21/14, 2:22:32 PM] Koontas: if you'd like me to post evidence here I certainly can...
    [6/21/14, 2:22:52 PM] Pocket: well, i am mostly going by what I've been given, bar will explain himself
    [6/21/14, 2:22:59 PM] Koontas: Sure he will Pocket.
    [6/21/14, 2:23:04 PM] Pocket: and if he doesn't, then he doesnt
    [6/21/14, 2:23:16 PM] Koontas: Logan, tell us about the NG GF funds...how much NRS is there and how much BTC?
    [6/21/14, 2:23:56 PM] Koontas: Pocket, you keep working for free...
    [6/21/14, 2:24:01 PM] Pocket: point is, i don't have proof either way
    [6/21/14, 2:24:14 PM] Pocket: i support NRS because there aren't many other coins with similar design
    [6/21/14, 2:24:28 PM] Barwizi: while we wait for that, in the first group that we migrated here, koontas you were witness to my efforts to fix the windows mining, that alone was close to 8 builds, each at a thousand NRS
    [6/21/14, 2:24:44 PM] Barwizi: with varying results
    [6/21/14, 2:25:07 PM] Koontas: [6/18/14, 1:48:45 PM] Koontas: Just saying putting 130k NRS for sale does not help the price...
    [6/18/14, 1:49:00 PM] Barwizi: just how long do you think it took to sell it?
    [6/18/14, 1:49:31 PM] Koontas: That's not the point.  The point is that you were constantly placing sell orders which drives the price down...
    [6/18/14, 1:49:40 PM] Koontas: And right now, we have NOTHING to help the price...
    [6/18/14, 1:49:42 PM] Barwizi: you are running off on your own tangent, let me remind you there was a point when that was the daily volume
    [6/18/14, 1:49:51 PM] Koontas: there is no volume.
    [6/18/14, 1:50:03 PM] Barwizi: for nearly two weeks
    [6/18/14, 1:50:05 PM] Koontas: there's little to no interest right now, most orders are sell orders...
    [6/18/14, 1:50:26 PM] Barwizi: Koontas, is my job to maintain volume?
    [6/18/14, 1:50:27 PM] Koontas: I've been asking for something to help NRS for ages now...and we come up with a project that has nothign to do with NRS?
    [6/21/14, 2:25:19 PM] Koontas: See the first 4 lines.
    [6/21/14, 2:25:51 PM] Koontas: So yea Barwizi, you admitted to selling 130k NRS.
    [6/21/14, 2:26:11 PM] Koontas: and then you try to justify it...
    [6/21/14, 2:26:26 PM] Barwizi: I have my own NRS and considering the sheer amount me, chocobo and james bought you have very little to go on
    [6/21/14, 2:26:36 PM] Koontas: hahahaha you're so full of shit
    [6/21/14, 2:26:44 PM] Koontas: tell me, what does the NG GF have in savings?
    [6/21/14, 2:26:55 PM] Koontas: i'd like to see both the NRS and BTC addresses
    [6/21/14, 2:27:12 PM] Barwizi: at one point i held more than 30% of total supply, and most of it was bought on polo
    [6/21/14, 2:27:22 PM] Koontas: so, where is the premine?
    [6/21/14, 2:27:34 PM] Koontas: I never saw any giveaways...
    [6/21/14, 2:27:42 PM] Koontas: lord knows pocket couldn't coordinate one...
    [6/21/14, 2:28:04 PM] Barwizi: you left the group,  dumped your NRS then after seeing the price rise , you are bitter and here to muddy up the water
    [6/21/14, 2:28:14 PM] Barwizi: go be bitter somewhere else
    [6/21/14, 2:28:18 PM] Koontas: hahaha I am a general fund holder I remembered, I have the right to be here
    [6/21/14, 2:28:28 PM] Koontas: Barwizi you are pulling one over on these kids that don't know better...
    [6/21/14, 2:28:57 PM] Koontas: You are taking advantage of everyone for your own benefit.
    [6/21/14, 2:29:05 PM] Koontas: ie. 2th/s of miners that we've never seen funds from...
    [6/21/14, 2:29:41 PM] Koontas: You asked me to delete my post and discuss here, so I did, and here we are...
    [6/21/14, 2:30:07 PM] Barwizi: seeing as how there arent any kids as far as i know, i think you are the kid and i wont dignify your attitude any further by responding
    [6/21/14, 2:30:23 PM] Koontas: Okay, and I will not be silent.
    [6/21/14, 2:30:36 PM] Barwizi: i'm sure the CFO would indulge your question
    [6/21/14, 2:30:53 PM] Koontas: Would he?  He doesn't know shit either...cause you don't make it known.
    [6/21/14, 2:31:10 PM] Koontas: You've been hiding the financial information for months, that is a fact.
    [6/21/14, 2:31:36 PM] Koontas: Usually people refuse to respond when they're guilty...am I wrong?

there you go, for everyone's enjoyment

here's a pastebin log I found:

http://pastebin.com/kyvSsHa3

someone was smart enough to save the chat

so do you think that screenshot is a fake still?

I guess I can't take you seriously. You paid .3 BTC for an investment you adamantly believe to be failing and a scam and you don't want to sell. You are the only person who has ever added a bad trust rating to Barwizi's profile and you site one thing. The screen shot mentioning selling 130K. You have not acknowledged that even if that is a real screenshot it was Barwizi that mentioned the sale. Now why would he do that if he thought it was an issue? You did not uncover some sort of shadow conspiracy here. You feel strongly about that sale and feel it hurts NRS. Many people disagree with you about thtat. You clearly don't care to wait for answers here.

the truth hurts doesn't it?

I don't sugar coat anything, if you want sugar coated statements go to your bank so they can tell you how awesome you are and "please sign you life away on the dotted line for this loan"

and insults in what way? it's the truth and you know it

again you guys are trying to discredit me

the crypto community is smarter than that

you guys should really be working on getting rid of Barwizi and putting someone more competent in charge

instead of blaming me or trying to make me look bad, you should spend all that extra energy finding a solution to the problem

Whoa - there's no need for those kinds of insult here.. "Selfish individuals"? "You are working against the spirit of crypto"? "Take your losses like men/women"? We're all adults, why aren't we acting like it?

how about I sell you my shares for 50 BTC?

I mean you already gave away your money to a scammer, what's one more bad investment? 

all of you just don't want to admit to losing

I don't show respect to trash like Barwizi

that's the reason why he walked all over you guys, because you're just pushovers

now you're trying to discredit me because your investment took a downturn.

you want to bait new investors into this failed project so you can recoup your losses.

sounds to me like you are a bunch of selfish individuals

you are working against the spirit of crypto

I'm not the one to be blamed here, blame the person that fooled you and we all know who that is

so stop trying to redirect the blame where it doesn't belong

take your losses like men/women and move on to better more productive projects

learn from this experience and try not to let it happen again, or don't learn and stay stuck in the past

I'm already over this, just don't fool anyone else into investing into this obvious scam

+1 ............... not to mention the posting 2 or three times in a row before anyone has a time to respond. Like a nervous spamming tick.

LemonandFries, since you believe this to be a lost cause, is there any sense in continuing to discuss the matter? Please don't use the excuse that every troll uses that this is somehow and altruistic act. It is not. You are harming the community. It takes one or two posts to make all the points you have already made. Now you are just repeating them.

Can I buy your shares and if so will you please leave and let us see how this shakes out? There are plenty of folks on here keeping accountability as a priority, but doing so in a professional and non-alarmist manner.

If you are interested than post it hear and/or PM me. If you have any actual evidence for your belief that investors have been had, then of course I would understand you not wanting to rip off new investors. But you don't. Time will tell. I am willing to take a risk here.

You claim to be a polite and professional businessman, but yet you constantly spam post with the F-word, brag about strippers, racial slurs and you expect us to just take your word for it.
You might be right or wrong in your accusations but you don't come across as neither professional, polite or trustworthy.

I would like to see some credentials if you are really who you claim to be

at this point I don't think you are that savvy business degree holder you claim to be

we hired you on a salary, we need to see some proof on who you truly are

you guys don't seem to understand that this is a lost cause

we were fooled, end of story.

and here all of you are trying to fool new investors into this scam in order to recoup your losses

now let's take the loss in an honorable way and admit that we we're stupid to trust a "Senior Member"

we lost, he won

let's not make up our losses by stealing it from new investors

Updated zip
Updated exe

Download any one of the two wallets above and it should start syncing from the beginning.
You're probably using one of the wallets that do not load when there is no blockchain available in the appdata folder.

Cheers !

my new wallet wont start at all. any ideas what i should do ?
i deleted everything but still no go.

GO GO GO,make some BIG NEWS to the investors.
i trust your team and commpany!