Topic: Number 9! Ninth altcoin thread. Back to the moon Baby! - page 125. (Read 66416 times)

Looks like the price of oil is about to hit another 20 year low. And it got me thinking. What if... you can buy cheap gasoline to power a generator to mine. Will it be profitable?

Now I know that running sensitive computer equipment on a generator is a horrible idea, because the power won't be as stable as from a power grid.

Using this as an example,
https://generatorpowersource.com/generator-fuel-consumption/

It says a 5kW generator uses 18 gallons of gasoline for 24 hours. So basically 5kW*24=120kWh.

Average home power costs are $0.10 kwh so 120kwh would be about $12 in electricity costs. How much does 18 gallons of fuel cost? $2/gallon so $72.

Hence it seems that its still 6x as more expensive. Maybe with a diesel generator would be more efficient or propane.

Not going to rent them for now.

sent you pm week ago - no reply for some reason.

i have a good option for your cpus.

in case you doing monero profit will be 150%+ vs xmr mining

Okay almost ready to do this new thread ripper build.

I have

Aorus NVMe Gen4 SSD  500GB
I HAVE 8 sticks of 16 gb ram total of 128gb
I have an asus prime trx40-Pro mobo
I have an evga clc240 mm water cooler for cpu
I have corsair 1500 watt psu

I finally ordered the thread ripper the 3970x model

I think I have a case somewhere I may use it a model thor from rose will

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811147158?

yeah  I am doing more gpu's at the farm.

It gets too hot in the garage to do much in the spring and summer.

My misunderstanding. I thought you were suggesting not to mine with the GPU if CPU mining but you were just
stating what you were doing.

I'm still debating whether to put my 730 in my Ryzen combo just for the monitor. It's a single slot card that exposes
the previously hidden adjacent PCIe slot so I can still install 5 mining GPUs on my 6 slot ROG Strix B350.
Technically I can still mine with it. It's a "cute" card, single slot, half length, half height, with a small fan,
but understandably terrible for mining.

My old 210 is double slot passive cooled so it consumes 2 mining PCIe slots.

I don't have a lot of gpu's in the house so I use the super basic gt 310's and gt 710's.

I will have 6 pc's that will run xmr but only 1 will use gpu mining basically cause I don't have many here in the garage.

Running fewer threads is an excellent way to increase efficiency.

Many algos favourable to CPUs are cache bound or I/O bound. Reducing the number of threads will often increase
the total hashrate as well as reduce power. Even if hashrate doesn't increase, or if it decreases, efficiency is improved.
Disabling SMT can also save power and avoids the need to use cpu-affinity.

However, I don't see co-mining with the GPUs as having any effect on CPU efficiency, though it may
affect CPU mining performance.

Everything is algo dependent, even the GPU algo when co-mining. Some GPU algos place more load on
the CPU than others.

Optimizing for efficiency can go too far where the hashrate reduction has a bigger effect on ROI than
the energy savings.

set the freq to 3000
set the volts to .91

use 22 cores

dont use any gpus to mine just use a gt 310 or gt 710

you get around 9500 to 9900 hash and only 110 to 120 watts.


yeah you can crank like a mofo get 12000 to 13300 hash and do 200 to 220 watts.

my

four amd 9 3900x
one amd 9. 3950x

are doing about 47000 and 600 watts.

when the amd thread ripper shows i will do 23000 and 200 watts but i may do two gpus with this.

these are in my garage and they mine at a loss.
the underclock loses less money then the overclock.

most people are not going to do what I do mine at a loss in a garage.

remember my bread and butter is the 2ph btc 10gh ltc mine in clifton.

oh some detail on the amd 3970x.   i found a cc deal it will give me 200 usd if i buy 1000 or more in three months. i have a year to pay back no interest.

so 2000 x 1.07 = 2140 - 270 in coupons is 1870 - 200 from cc is 1670 - 19 is 1651 cost pay out over one year.

have you checked your wattmeter? the ryzen cpus use close to max tdp mining on all cores , lowest i have see is close to 160 watts on a 3900 and thats with zero oc

i do drop the wattage on some using ryzen master but some are unstable

with any oc youre close to 200 watts , remeber the base pc parts ram, disk psu use wattage too
so your system wattage will be near 250

same goes for the TR you’re going to need to double that wattage estimate

XMR developers have fought the good fight against asic's

I toss support to them. Also I am very careful about experimental and test builds that run at a loss.

Basically anything in my garage loses money but  it show ways to build and keeps me in the loop.

So

 My threadripper 1920x and mobo and cooler  gone
 My ryzen 7 3700x full plug n play gone
 My ryzen 7 3800x full plug n play gone
 4 amd vega 56 units gone


added 1  thread ripper  3970x plug n play  

my sales of gear cost me zero to do the build

and I will drop power down to 300 watts vs 1500    as the sold gear was using a ton of power.


At this is possible due to the 2ph btc  12 gh ltc farm   as that is fully paid for and I earn from that farm.

My home will run

4 ryzen 9 3900            400 watts
1 ryzen 9 3950            120 watts
1 threadripper 3970x   300 watts

 Total 820 watts for summer mining  I very likely will not make money with this cpu farm , but  much of it has been created for no net cost  due to selling other gear.

I still stand by my signature that alts are needed for cryptocoin to be mass adopted.
And  to not have some alt coin cpu and gpu gear would be wrong. Even if it does not profit.

And all my gear will be new with decent warranty  in the garage.

Do I advise anyone to buy  5 am threadripper rigs at 2-3k each out of pocket no.

Do I advise a guy with a lot of older gear to sell or swap to a ryzen xmr rig  sure at least one rig.

I still have  6 + 4 + 4 + 4 = 18 gpus mining  in rigs I split coins with.

So

 I have the big Clifton farm I get a piece of pretty much certain medium profit.  say  .15 btc a month  say 4 ltc a month  profit.   this is over   700 my share.
 I have 18 gpus I get a piece of pretty much a certain small profit.   say .02 btc a month profit.                                                 this is over   125 my share.



   I will have 6 xmr rigs all mine in my home that  kind of lose money  or make very little.
This will cost 1440 kwatts of 17 cent power monthly  may 1 to oct 31   that is 244 a month to earn about  150 in coin  a 94 dollar loss.
I can do the following  for years :

Spend 244  a month in power and bank 150 in coin. .................................. 6 x 94 =                        564 loss
In the winter the power cost drops to  144 a month and I bank  150 in coin     6 x 6 =                           36 gain

that  means a loss of 528  a year

the gear was obtained by trading in paid for gear.  so no true gear cost.

so if I lose 100 a year   and have 6 killer rigs  

and I earn on the other gear. 825  a month that is 9900 - 100 = 9800  

Yeah I don't have to do it but I have 6 killer rigs all fairly new.

Yes I could have  cashed in the old gear and not purchased the 6 xmr rigs

I would have maybe 6 or 7 k. which  would not have a deduction against that  gross income.

I have a wash since I purchased the new gear and mine with it.  I am 63  once I am 66 if I choose I can alter my tax planning. Reduce the mining take more  income by not rolling it into the mining.

Phil I think this is freaking awesome, but from a financial point of view how can you justify this?

I know you have a unique electric situation, so lets say without even factoring electric -- you'll clear $1.33 a day ~.7 XMR a month? You could buy over 37 XMR instead O_o

Don't get me wrong, I love mining and look forward to seeing your results with this, but just curious to hear your thoughts here.

Short answer: No

Long answer:  Excess RAM does not improve performance. RAM requirements are algo dependant, either you have enough or you don't.
Insufficient RAM will either limit the number of threads that can run or prevent the miner from running at all.

Cache size is more important for many CPU algos, many were engineered based on cache usage, typically 2 MB/thread. Cache overflow
will reduce performance but the miner will still run.

About your first question, if possible there would be dual socket Ryzen mobos available. There aren't.

Edit:

On a theoretical level I think we are seeing the beginning of the end of multi socket systems. Who needs multiple sockets when
you can put 64 cores in one socket? Core count is increasing so fast it's outpacing the rest of the system making multiple socket
systems unnecessary and likely ineffective.

actually those cpus are so powerful you can set maybe 20 cores to mine and still perform most daily tasks with not much of a noticeable difference

that cpu is a single slot , you cant use two on one board afik

That actually sounds like a not-so-bad alternative to a threadripper gaming system in my world.

My main pc is on 24/7 (that i3-7100 and z270 still kicking and rock solid with its 32Gb of ram upgrade i got it)
I would take the time to set up an idle process to mine when i'm not using it.

been a while since i've coded a new batch XD

Is worth setting up dual-CPU 3900x on a dual CPU slot mobo?

Will that much RAM increase mining performance?

32 cores on the TR right? , at that price you could have bought 4 3900x tho, they are going for $400 now

if the 64 core one was a linear upgrad i might bite but i heard its not i.e you get less piwer per core than a 3900x

pm me a price on the 1080ti hybrid if you decide to sell it Phill;  I may swoop it up to get my game pc off of its old Dell branded 1080 if i can afford it =)

Should do 25kh  vs the 12kh my 3900's do.

goal will be

1 threadripper 3970x
1 ryzen 9 3950x
4 ryzen 9 3900x

six rigs with not much gpu action.

I think

3  gtx    1660's
1  amd  5700
1  gtx    1080ti

1  gtx    710 does not mine just to access screens on the ryzen 3950 build

I may sell  the 1080ti hybrid soon
and the 3 gtx 1660's

use the amd 5700 with the thread ripper.

and I have a few gtx 710's which won't mine just give some graphics.