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hero member
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I'm happy I'm not a US citizen/resident. We live in a world where the honest man is usually the one getting it up the poophole, while the rich and powerful have schemes upon schemes to hide money away and not pay taxes. There's a scandal coming up about every three months, everyone's shocked, yet nothing ever changes. The rich get richer.

I'm really looking forward to crypto taking over fiat money. It won't happen tomorrow, but it will, someday. Just like the internet has fundamentaly changed the way we interact with each other. Why do you think they pressure all the big centralized exchanges to force KYC on everyone and ban anonymity/privacy coins? Because they are scared to lose control over their own citizens. Fiat money, your bank account, your credit card, are all ties to centralized systems. Have you tried to live without a bank account? Pretty much impossible...I know in France for example, you can't withdraw more than 1500€ without having to justify why. It's your own money, but you can't do what you want with it. If you're getting a deposit of more than 1500€, the bank will call you because they blocked the deposit, requesting you justify where the funds come from. wtf seriously.

Oh well, I guess I'm becoming a paranoid hippie while I'm getting older :-p
I'm 29 and feel 100% the same...
legendary
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This way I get a decent UI yet pay the api trading fees.

Wow, never knew this was possible. I will definately try it out. It doesn't make sense to pay the 2% fees.

I knew they charged low fees but I assumed it was only for high volume client, never knew all you had to do was use their API.

They seem to be the only exchange to do this. Most of the other exchanges whether you use API or GUI online the fees are the same. I find it very strange.

sr. member
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Trade using their API. Costs 0.1% if maker trade, or 0.35% for taker.

How hard is it to use their API to do this?

Because I can't even switch from the simple interface to the ActiveTrader interface. Its a big hassle and you need to email them and wait to be approved first.

A few weeks back when ETHBTC was low, I wanted to buy some ETH with my BTC which was sitting there doing nothing and turns out you can't even do that.

You can only Buy or Sell the Fiat based cryptos like BTCUSD, ETHUSD, LTCUSD,BCHUSD, and you can't do ETHBTC or BTCLTC, etc. You could do this a year back or so but with this simple interface you don't even have that option.

So to get the API trading going, do I need to be aproved first or can anyone do this?

It's simple for me (but I'm a software dev)

1) Install python 3 and Pycharm

2) Copy this code from gemini: https://docs.gemini.com/rest-api/#new-order

3) Change the currency symbol, price, order type(market or limit), and use your own api keys. In gemini you can create api keys, no permissions needed.


Then run the code whenever you wish to order. You can cancel in the gemini user interface. It's really great, just 0.1% fees. For extra safety, I delete the api key after every trading session.

I got activetrader for my account after a week of wait, and it does have the features you mentioned. Active trader is 1% fee though, and the rubbish new interface is 2% iirc. Api trading fees: https://gemini.com/api-fee-schedule/#api-fee-schedule
 


Also, I built this after their fees increased to 2% and run a copy locally: https://gemini-interface.com/dashboard?side=buy&symbol=ETHUSD

This way I get a decent UI yet pay the api trading fees.
legendary
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My AR-15 ID's itself as a toaster. Want breakfast?
It is pretty sad and somewhat depressing.
This is why I rail against the government getting involved in things. They ruin everything.

  If I was a sneaky prick  I would not have been picked up.
I am picked up because I efforted to be a compliant taxpayer.


  I have a degree in accounting  which really annoys me  as a lot of the rulings make no sense on an accounting level.
I a going to drive to the beach and have some fund walking the boardwalk with my wife when I come back I will do some more research on how to correctly comply.

Part of what is wrong  is simple transfers of coin out of coinbase.

Coinbase does not know where the coin goes so they  show it as a cap gain or cap loss.

*snip*

This is my beef;  the FED needs to stay out of things that are not of their nature.

If they want to tax the act of trading coin for cash, that is one thing... but the rest is completely obsurd; and I am pretty sure if we fought them with very expensive lawyers, it could be won... but since the  FED has always been known to strongarm people out of everything due to their own feelings.... this is getting ugly... fast...

Example:  The federal income tax code book says verbatim: "voluntary compliance" wherein they interpret it as "you can voluntarily chose not to pay, and get punished for it"... which the very statement of being based around voluntary compliance;  is 100% the opposite.  This is how they 'complied' with the 16th amendment and it was deemed it gave them no new powers of taxation, but they are using their interpretation to do 100% the opposite.

Same goes with things like the second amendment:  "... shall not be infringed" which is CLEAR text;  yet the "regulation" on how you may exercise these "inalienable rights" does exactly that.

Makes me want to change to a different existence some days... so disheartening.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
Part of what is wrong  is simple transfers of coin out of coinbase.

Coinbase does not know where the coin goes so they  show it as a cap gain or cap loss.

but if you moved it to your core wallet it is nothing a wash and coinbase reported the transfer as a liquidation thus causing a cap gain or loss.


I still think that it is coinbase fault as transfer out should not be a liquidation by default.
If I send btc to coinbase, do they consider it a BUY?
If yes, then it is ridiculous and a REALLY bad accounting standard.

Example: Say, I send 1 btc to coinbase when the price is 15K. Now I am withdrawing the same 1btc at 9K.
Do they think that it is a $6K loss? If they do, then they are negligent/in error.


Yeah  but it does not help me in my case. 

What kills me is I don't owe money once I do what is wanted it most likely will mean I have a larger cap loss not a lower one.

I have looked at  most materials that were provided. Once I generate a new 2018 amended return I will do a quick recap of time and length of the report.  My 2018 cap losses were 3300 and my ebay/bitcoin sales earned under 5000 for 2018.  I will let you all know how much time it will take me to make reports. and how much money  it makes as a difference.

BTW so far coinbase is refusing to send me a 1099-k.  Which makes for more work for me.
legendary
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Part of what is wrong  is simple transfers of coin out of coinbase.

Coinbase does not know where the coin goes so they  show it as a cap gain or cap loss.

but if you moved it to your core wallet it is nothing a wash and coinbase reported the transfer as a liquidation thus causing a cap gain or loss.


I still think that it is coinbase fault as transfer out should not be a liquidation by default.
If I send btc to coinbase, do they consider it a BUY?
If yes, then it is ridiculous and a REALLY bad accounting standard.

Example: Say, I send 1 btc to coinbase when the price is 15K. Now I am withdrawing the same 1btc at 9K.
Do they think that it is a $6K loss? If they do, then they are negligent/in error.
legendary
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Trade using their API. Costs 0.1% if maker trade, or 0.35% for taker.

How hard is it to use their API to do this?

Because I can't even switch from the simple interface to the ActiveTrader interface. Its a big hassle and you need to email them and wait to be approved first.

A few weeks back when ETHBTC was low, I wanted to buy some ETH with my BTC which was sitting there doing nothing and turns out you can't even do that.

You can only Buy or Sell the Fiat based cryptos like BTCUSD, ETHUSD, LTCUSD,BCHUSD, and you can't do ETHBTC or BTCLTC, etc. You could do this a year back or so but with this simple interface you don't even have that option.

So to get the API trading going, do I need to be aproved first or can anyone do this?
legendary
Activity: 4102
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'The right to privacy matters'
this might work  Cheesy

[img height =125]https://i.postimg.cc/nzMY3PqT/tx.jpg[/img]

Bob can also withdraw to any of his 2nd or 3rd bank account and deposit over the counter to his ATM account that Adam has to use in the USA

Bob can also request to increase withdrawal limit to his ATM so the 'abroad withdrawal fee' for Adam (Bob's ATM card) can be minimized over all.

some banks charge higher withdrawal fee abroad, choosing the right bank to withdraw is a must.

 Not legal I don't want to run under the radar. Simply not my style.

I will knock out the paper work and shut the business down this year.

Only way to go.

are you going to shutdown your solar mining farm?

No as I am a partner with buysolar we own all gear and have the power deal  with the warehouse owner. 50-50.

So i will most likely need to sell all sha-256 to buysolar and sell all the l3+ miners to him.

about 925th  and 11gh.  of which ½ is his already
jr. member
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In Canada there is an even bigger mess with Crypto taxes.

I don't know if you guys heard of QuadrigaCX, it was the largest exchange in Canada that went bankrupt at the beginning of the year. Apparently the owner sent all the customer's Bitcoins to Bitmex and Bitfinex and margin traded it all and got liquidated when BTC broke $6K last year and faked his death.

Most Canadian's used this exchange including me. I stopped using it 2 years ago due to withdraw issues was a blessing in disguise. However I think that more than 75% of all Canadian's probably used the exchange and when it went bankrupt the website went offline.

Now here is the part where it gets crazy. People couldn't login to get their trading records for taxes. And basically the CRA (IRS equilvaent) told people to "guess" how much they made and to try to guess higher rather than lower because when the website comes back online in a few years they might need to do a final adjustment.

Yes- I quit using them when it took more than two weeks to get out $$ in January 2018. A friend had even bigger amounts that took him 6 weeks to get out ...just before Quadriga went extinct 11 months later.

I haven't cashed out into CAD $ since Jan 2018. I've been holding some of my crypto in TUSD and USDC instead. Once I find a safe Cdn Exchange, then I'll cash out some.

Currently, I'm exploring:

A. Coinsquare and Coinberry. Not sure i like their fees.
or
B. I might set up a USD bank Account thru TD or RBC... and cash out in USD through Bittrex or Gemini. But that will mean other bank fees when I convert it to CAD $.

How are other Canadians on this thread doing this?

Yes I did that in the past, had to open up a US bank account and set it up with Gemini. It was a pain in the ass however because due to their strict KYC, you have to send them a wire first and then they send you wires out.

The issue was that my bank didn't know how to send the wire correctly, finally they decided to call the receiving bank and got the proper instructions and it went through. Almost gave up... so you might have better luck then me. If you get some lazy teller then most likely they won't send it properly.

And yes the fees are very high. Gemini upped its fee again to like 1.5% from I think 0.5% when I joined and you also get charged a 2.5% fee when you convert into CAD funds.
Guess I won't bother with Gemini. Have you tried Kraken, BitNational, Coinberry or Coinsquare?
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this might work  Cheesy



Bob can also withdraw to any of his 2nd or 3rd bank account and deposit over the counter to his ATM account that Adam has to use in the USA

Bob can also request to increase withdrawal limit to his ATM so the 'abroad withdrawal fee' for Adam (Bob's ATM card) can be minimized over all.

some banks charge higher withdrawal fee abroad, choosing the right bank to withdraw is a must.

 Not legal I don't want to run under the radar. Simply not my style.

I will knock out the paper work and shut the business down this year.

Only way to go.

are you going to shutdown your solar mining farm?
legendary
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what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?
I will knock out the paper work and shut the business down this year.

Only way to go.

man that sucks. looked like you had a pretty good plan figured out.

i always stayed a hobby miner, so record keeping is far simpler of course. no deductions, expenses, or inventory tracking etc. just need to keep track of the cost basis as coins come in.

even still plenty of ways to mess up the hobbyist front too.
legendary
Activity: 4102
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'The right to privacy matters'
this might work  Cheesy



Bob can also withdraw to any of his 2nd or 3rd bank account and deposit over the counter to his ATM account that Adam has to use in the USA

Bob can also request to increase withdrawal limit to his ATM so the 'abroad withdrawal fee' for Adam (Bob's ATM card) can be minimized over all.

some banks charge higher withdrawal fee abroad, choosing the right bank to withdraw is a must.

 Not legal I don't want to run under the radar. Simply not my style.

I will knock out the paper work and shut the business down this year.

Only way to go.
sr. member
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Those are some epic drawing skills  Cheesy
legendary
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this might work  Cheesy



Bob can also withdraw to any of his 2nd or 3rd bank account and deposit over the counter to his ATM account that Adam has to use in the USA

Bob can also request to increase withdrawal limit to his ATM so the 'abroad withdrawal fee' for Adam (Bob's ATM card) can be minimized over all.

some banks charge higher withdrawal fee abroad, choosing the right bank to withdraw is a must.
sr. member
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It is pretty sad and somewhat depressing.
This is why I rail against the government getting involved in things. They ruin everything.

  If I was a sneaky prick  I would not have been picked up.
I am picked up because I efforted to be a complainant taxpayer.
I have a degree in accounting  which really annoys me  as a lot of the rulings make no sense on an accounting level.
I a going to drive to the beach and have some fund walking the boardwalk with my wife when I come back I will do some more research on how to correctly comply.



I'm happy I'm not a US citizen/resident. We live in a world where the honest man is usually the one getting it up the poophole, while the rich and powerful have schemes upon schemes to hide money away and not pay taxes. There's a scandal coming up about every three months, everyone's shocked, yet nothing ever changes. The rich get richer.

I'm really looking forward to crypto taking over fiat money. It won't happen tomorrow, but it will, someday. Just like the internet has fundamentaly changed the way we interact with each other. Why do you think they pressure all the big centralized exchanges to force KYC on everyone and ban anonymity/privacy coins? Because they are scared to lose control over their own citizens. Fiat money, your bank account, your credit card, are all ties to centralized systems. Have you tried to live without a bank account? Pretty much impossible...I know in France for example, you can't withdraw more than 1500€ without having to justify why. It's your own money, but you can't do what you want with it. If you're getting a deposit of more than 1500€, the bank will call you because they blocked the deposit, requesting you justify where the funds come from. wtf seriously.

Oh well, I guess I'm becoming a paranoid hippie while I'm getting older :-p
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
It is pretty sad and somewhat depressing.
This is why I rail against the government getting involved in things. They ruin everything.

  If I was a sneaky prick  I would not have been picked up.
I am picked up because I efforted to be a compliant taxpayer.


  I have a degree in accounting  which really annoys me  as a lot of the rulings make no sense on an accounting level.
I a going to drive to the beach and have some fund walking the boardwalk with my wife when I come back I will do some more research on how to correctly comply.

Part of what is wrong  is simple transfers of coin out of coinbase.

Coinbase does not know where the coin goes so they  show it as a cap gain or cap loss.

but if you moved it to your core wallet it is nothing a wash and coinbase reported the transfer as a liquidation thus causing a cap gain or loss.

I now understand why they fought so hard to not have to do the info release to the irs.

everything I see shows me that unless you are 100% in coinbase  or 100% out of coinbase do not do crypto in the usa.

As of today the methods used by coinbase to report transfers of coin out of it to other   accounts  that you own cause a long set of reporting issues.

As someone with a background in accounting I can see why coinbase reports a cap gain or loss on all coin leaving the account. as they have

no way of knowing you sold the coin = cap gain or loss
used the coin to buy gear = cap gain or loss
 

you simply moved it to your core wallet = ? not sure what ruling is on this. Since you always were the owner of  it and kept it in btc form.


we know why we want coins in a core wallet as it is safer then having all in coinbase.
hero member
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It is pretty sad and somewhat depressing.
This is why I rail against the government getting involved in things. They ruin everything.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
This makes me very happy that I am in the sub-10K mark and did not receive any notice of any kind;  from coinbase or the IRS....

On top of which;  My actual income last year was pretty pathetic...  near zero as I was only well enough to resume my work as a surveyor for around 2.5-3 months and got a 100% refund.

This year;  I have only made one GDAX sale of BTC, and that was right near 10K, I think I sold .005.... and put that directly into a buy order at around the 6K mark for the chance a flash-crash happens.

I have however transferred around or exactly .05 multiple times back and forth to GDAX and back to my coinbase wallet because of the market movements, sitting ready to hit the button if the market did what I thought might happen (but didn't).  I only keep at-most .5-.10 in coinbase;  even they can go insolvent and I am highly weary of that to this day.

I wonder what the difference between the records of pro and GDAX are/were;  I haven't looked into the details that separate them, but it irks me knowing I sold at most $300USD to cover rent twice;  but the reports of my wallet/total amount I had in that time was in the magnitude of multiple thousand... which just doesn't add up in my eyes (it was pro back then), and those sells/micro buys were for literal gains of maybe 10K satoshi each, or just for a selloff to be able to pay rent.... yet coinbase said I had multiple thousands in value when I personally know I had .5 in my offline personal wallet not associated with them.  I can see the old PRO buys/sells in my GDAX history as well (from pre-2017).

I was very uneasy about any exchange back then (still weary because of the MountCocks fiasco), and only sent to coinbase when I wanted to spend it; and the Tx fees were very small (very pre-2017).

So overall, this is why I am lucky I am 100% under the radar, and a lot of it was traded F2F for other assets back then so I could flip those assets and equalize my rent concerns....   Being out of work;  I had to make ends meet somehow, and with the most amount of profit on my end.

letters just started  last week.  hopefully  you are good. In my case  the bounce back between gdax and coinbase  looks like every unit of 1 coin is 3 coins.

move 1  coin from coinbase to gdax    looks like a 1 coin deposit to gdax worth 1000
 in reality it was  moving say a 1000 dollar value coin with a cost basis of 900  which means a cap gain of 100 bucks
sell it on gdax for the 1000 is a zero cap gain
move the 1000 in cash to coinbase  looks like a 1000 dollar deposit of cash to coin base
move the 1000 in cash to bank    looks like a 1000 dollar deposit of cash to bank

so  a 100 dollar cap gain  reports as 100+1000+1000+1000 =3100  not as 100

I have at least 60 of these for 2018  they will need to be explained.


  Along with how the 1000 first got into coinbase.   mostly from gpu sales.  I did sell off 100 gpus in 2018 they will show as income.
 I will need to do a breakdown of every sale. which will really be a p.i.t.a.

This will mean me ending crypto.  I will sell the mine in clifton which will kill me to do. But I don't want involvement on a financial level in 2020.  I will still post. and run threads.

The clifton mine was what I always wanted to do  run a mine at good power rates. I am lucky in that it is working so selling my share of the gear won't be a hardship to anyone.  it is almost a petahash of sha-256 and around 11gh of l3+

It is maybe 40-50 thousand in gear I own ½ of it.
So my share would be 20-25 thousand bucks.
I will also be selling  the few rigs in the house.  pretty much sucks but I don't want to be  generating more transactions on a financial level until I get this fixed.

It is pretty sad and somewhat depressing.

On a pc build note.

 I grabbed a ryzen-9-3900x

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-9-3900x

a corsair nvme.2 2 tb

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Storage/M-2-SSDs/Force-Series%E2%84%A2-Gen-4-PCIe-NVMe-M-2-SSD/p/CSSD-F2000GBMP600

an asrock x570 mobo

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813157887?cm_sp=SearchSuccess-_-INFOCARD-_-asrock+x570-_-13-157-887-_-1&Description=asrock+x570

2 sticks of ram

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07HSZYNN5/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?

I will be needing a case maybe this one

https://www.amazon.com/Rexgear-Micro-Cube-White-Limited/dp/B07SRWC6Q4/ref=sr_1_21?crid=L7VVP2HX4QXY&keywords=pc+case&qid=1564491771&refinements=p_n_feature_six_browse-bin%3A2057507011&rnid=2057420011&s=pc&sprefix=pc%2Celectronics%2C129&sr=1-21
sr. member
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In Canada there is an even bigger mess with Crypto taxes.

I don't know if you guys heard of QuadrigaCX, it was the largest exchange in Canada that went bankrupt at the beginning of the year. Apparently the owner sent all the customer's Bitcoins to Bitmex and Bitfinex and margin traded it all and got liquidated when BTC broke $6K last year and faked his death.

Most Canadian's used this exchange including me. I stopped using it 2 years ago due to withdraw issues was a blessing in disguise. However I think that more than 75% of all Canadian's probably used the exchange and when it went bankrupt the website went offline.

Now here is the part where it gets crazy. People couldn't login to get their trading records for taxes. And basically the CRA (IRS equilvaent) told people to "guess" how much they made and to try to guess higher rather than lower because when the website comes back online in a few years they might need to do a final adjustment.

Yes- I quit using them when it took more than two weeks to get out $$ in January 2018. A friend had even bigger amounts that took him 6 weeks to get out ...just before Quadriga went extinct 11 months later.

I haven't cashed out into CAD $ since Jan 2018. I've been holding some of my crypto in TUSD and USDC instead. Once I find a safe Cdn Exchange, then I'll cash out some.

Currently, I'm exploring:

A. Coinsquare and Coinberry. Not sure i like their fees.
or
B. I might set up a USD bank Account thru TD or RBC... and cash out in USD through Bittrex or Gemini. But that will mean other bank fees when I convert it to CAD $.

How are other Canadians on this thread doing this?

Yes I did that in the past, had to open up a US bank account and set it up with Gemini. It was a pain in the ass however because due to their strict KYC, you have to send them a wire first and then they send you wires out.

The issue was that my bank didn't know how to send the wire correctly, finally they decided to call the receiving bank and got the proper instructions and it went through. Almost gave up... so you might have better luck then me. If you get some lazy teller then most likely they won't send it properly.

And yes the fees are very high. Gemini upped its fee again to like 1.5% from I think 0.5% when I joined and you also get charged a 2.5% fee when you convert into CAD funds.

Trade using their API. Costs 0.1% if maker trade, or 0.35% for taker.
legendary
Activity: 3738
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In Canada there is an even bigger mess with Crypto taxes.

I don't know if you guys heard of QuadrigaCX, it was the largest exchange in Canada that went bankrupt at the beginning of the year. Apparently the owner sent all the customer's Bitcoins to Bitmex and Bitfinex and margin traded it all and got liquidated when BTC broke $6K last year and faked his death.

Most Canadian's used this exchange including me. I stopped using it 2 years ago due to withdraw issues was a blessing in disguise. However I think that more than 75% of all Canadian's probably used the exchange and when it went bankrupt the website went offline.

Now here is the part where it gets crazy. People couldn't login to get their trading records for taxes. And basically the CRA (IRS equilvaent) told people to "guess" how much they made and to try to guess higher rather than lower because when the website comes back online in a few years they might need to do a final adjustment.

Yes- I quit using them when it took more than two weeks to get out $$ in January 2018. A friend had even bigger amounts that took him 6 weeks to get out ...just before Quadriga went extinct 11 months later.

I haven't cashed out into CAD $ since Jan 2018. I've been holding some of my crypto in TUSD and USDC instead. Once I find a safe Cdn Exchange, then I'll cash out some.

Currently, I'm exploring:

A. Coinsquare and Coinberry. Not sure i like their fees.
or
B. I might set up a USD bank Account thru TD or RBC... and cash out in USD through Bittrex or Gemini. But that will mean other bank fees when I convert it to CAD $.

How are other Canadians on this thread doing this?

Yes I did that in the past, had to open up a US bank account and set it up with Gemini. It was a pain in the ass however because due to their strict KYC, you have to send them a wire first and then they send you wires out.

The issue was that my bank didn't know how to send the wire correctly, finally they decided to call the receiving bank and got the proper instructions and it went through. Almost gave up... so you might have better luck then me. If you get some lazy teller then most likely they won't send it properly.

And yes the fees are very high. Gemini upped its fee again to like 1.5% from I think 0.5% when I joined and you also get charged a 2.5% fee when you convert into CAD funds.
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