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Topic: Number 9! Ninth altcoin thread. Back to the moon Baby! - page 93. (Read 66416 times)

jr. member
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Binance does not give you 0.98% per 7 days. It’s 0.98% APY - averaged over 7 days since it can change day to day.

Otherwise it would be insane returns.
legendary
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Heard some people talking about ETH 2.0 being released. Anyone got an ELI5 what is going on with ETH going POS finally? The ETH thread is very long and hard to follow. Other sources give conflicting information.

Basically I have been waiting 4.5 years for POS on ETH so whenever I hear these claims I take them with a grain of salt. So how accurate is this exactly? Going live in Jan 2021?
You need 32 eth for staking and you can't move them until next upgrade that was supposed to happen in 2021 and mining is not affected,more details here
https://launchpad.ethereum.org/

Ok so from what I understand, you send 32 ETH to some contract and its stuck there until Phase 2 which is sometime after 2 years. You can't withdraw this ETH at all until then. But it doesn't state how much rewards you get for getting this ETH staked?

So I am assuming that the more staked ETH the less rewards for those staked ETH. So people need to make a decision whether they want to hodl their ETH for the long term (+5 years) because with BTC close to ATH and ETH following thereafter it seems like a tough decision if you only got <100 ETH in your possession. Wonder how much ETH will get staked exactly?

It is an easy choice if you have 100 x 90 a coin eth.

 You stake 32  you sell 32 and you hold 36.

Since the coin cost was 100 x 90 = 9000 and you sell 32 for over 14000 you are plus 5000 cash. With 32 held in stake and 36 held liquid.

I AM sure some people are in that spot.


while waiting parking your ETH at Binance (flexible staking) gives your 0.98% (7-day yield)
which you can redeem at anytime.

full member
Activity: 416
Merit: 125
Heard some people talking about ETH 2.0 being released. Anyone got an ELI5 what is going on with ETH going POS finally? The ETH thread is very long and hard to follow. Other sources give conflicting information.

Basically I have been waiting 4.5 years for POS on ETH so whenever I hear these claims I take them with a grain of salt. So how accurate is this exactly? Going live in Jan 2021?
You need 32 eth for staking and you can't move them until next upgrade that was supposed to happen in 2021 and mining is not affected,more details here
https://launchpad.ethereum.org/

Ok so from what I understand, you send 32 ETH to some contract and its stuck there until Phase 2 which is sometime after 2 years. You can't withdraw this ETH at all until then. But it doesn't state how much rewards you get for getting this ETH staked?

So I am assuming that the more staked ETH the less rewards for those staked ETH. So people need to make a decision whether they want to hodl their ETH for the long term (+5 years) because with BTC close to ATH and ETH following thereafter it seems like a tough decision if you only got <100 ETH in your possession. Wonder how much ETH will get staked exactly?

It is an easy choice if you have 100 x 90 a coin eth.

 You stake 32  you sell 32 and you hold 36.

Since the coin cost was 100 x 90 = 9000 and you sell 32 for over 14000 you are plus 5000 cash. With 32 held in stake and 36 held liquid.

I AM sure some people are in that spot.
member
Activity: 224
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Heard some people talking about ETH 2.0 being released. Anyone got an ELI5 what is going on with ETH going POS finally? The ETH thread is very long and hard to follow. Other sources give conflicting information.

Basically I have been waiting 4.5 years for POS on ETH so whenever I hear these claims I take them with a grain of salt. So how accurate is this exactly? Going live in Jan 2021?
You need 32 eth for staking and you can't move them until next upgrade that was supposed to happen in 2021 and mining is not affected,more details here
https://launchpad.ethereum.org/

Ok so from what I understand, you send 32 ETH to some contract and its stuck there until Phase 2 which is sometime after 2 years. You can't withdraw this ETH at all until then. But it doesn't state how much rewards you get for getting this ETH staked?

So I am assuming that the more staked ETH the less rewards for those staked ETH. So people need to make a decision whether they want to hodl their ETH for the long term (+5 years) because with BTC close to ATH and ETH following thereafter it seems like a tough decision if you only got <100 ETH in your possession. Wonder how much ETH will get staked exactly?
There is a calculator on site above about roi but all depends on number of staked eth,more staked eth=less rewards.Personally I don't see why would anyone staked it(besides exchanges/pools/whales) for few % profit per year, you can get that amount of profit from trading
legendary
Activity: 3808
Merit: 1723
Heard some people talking about ETH 2.0 being released. Anyone got an ELI5 what is going on with ETH going POS finally? The ETH thread is very long and hard to follow. Other sources give conflicting information.

Basically I have been waiting 4.5 years for POS on ETH so whenever I hear these claims I take them with a grain of salt. So how accurate is this exactly? Going live in Jan 2021?
You need 32 eth for staking and you can't move them until next upgrade that was supposed to happen in 2021 and mining is not affected,more details here
https://launchpad.ethereum.org/

Ok so from what I understand, you send 32 ETH to some contract and its stuck there until Phase 2 which is sometime after 2 years. You can't withdraw this ETH at all until then. But it doesn't state how much rewards you get for getting this ETH staked?

So I am assuming that the more staked ETH the less rewards for those staked ETH. So people need to make a decision whether they want to hodl their ETH for the long term (+5 years) because with BTC close to ATH and ETH following thereafter it seems like a tough decision if you only got <100 ETH in your possession. Wonder how much ETH will get staked exactly?
member
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Heard some people talking about ETH 2.0 being released. Anyone got an ELI5 what is going on with ETH going POS finally? The ETH thread is very long and hard to follow. Other sources give conflicting information.

Basically I have been waiting 4.5 years for POS on ETH so whenever I hear these claims I take them with a grain of salt. So how accurate is this exactly? Going live in Jan 2021?
You need 32 eth for staking and you can't move them until next upgrade that was supposed to happen in 2021 and mining is not affected,more details here
https://launchpad.ethereum.org/
legendary
Activity: 4256
Merit: 8551
'The right to privacy matters'
Heard some people talking about ETH 2.0 being released. Anyone got an ELI5 what is going on with ETH going POS finally? The ETH thread is very long and hard to follow. Other sources give conflicting information.

Basically I have been waiting 4.5 years for POS on ETH so whenever I hear these claims I take them with a grain of salt. So how accurate is this exactly? Going live in Jan 2021?

well if they kill off pow 💥 in jan 2021 I will have 53 paid for cards to sell. But they will all be paid off.
legendary
Activity: 3808
Merit: 1723
Heard some people talking about ETH 2.0 being released. Anyone got an ELI5 what is going on with ETH going POS finally? The ETH thread is very long and hard to follow. Other sources give conflicting information.

Basically I have been waiting 4.5 years for POS on ETH so whenever I hear these claims I take them with a grain of salt. So how accurate is this exactly? Going live in Jan 2021?
sr. member
Activity: 361
Merit: 267
Earnings have picked up a bit.

I moved my miners from nicehash to viabtc.  

 seems more stable.

of course I have to stack eth rather then convert to btc.

 I also have to wait till I reach 1 eth to withdraw it.

I am earning about 1 eth in about 9 days. or 51 usd a day

Still can not find

3070
3080
3090 nvidia cards at stock prices.

How many GPU rigs do you run?
legendary
Activity: 4256
Merit: 8551
'The right to privacy matters'
Earnings have picked up a bit.

I moved my miners from nicehash to viabtc.  

 seems more stable.

of course I have to stack eth rather then convert to btc.

 I also have to wait till I reach 1 eth to withdraw it.

I am earning about 1 eth in about 9 days. or 51 usd a day

Still can not find

3070
3080
3090 nvidia cards at stock prices.
sr. member
Activity: 361
Merit: 267
Basically if you want an exact number you run the rig with all GPUs. And then just disconnect 1 GPU at a time and measure the chance in wattage. This is a pain to do because there is no easy way to disconnect the GPUs, you have to disconnect the riser, and disconnect the PCIe power cables. If you have the riser plugged in without PCIe cables it will draw power and vice versa. Hence it won't be accurate.

Or instead, just run system with 0 cards, measure, connect 1GPU, measure and substract previous measure, connect 2 GPUs, measure and substract previous measure...
You will know exactly how much your idle system uses, you will know how much each GPU uses and you can do it while making your rig or after cleaning when you are rebuilding it.


Honestly, I'm good with the ballpark numbers. I have no desire to do this. lol
DrG
legendary
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What's weird is that I'm running 3 PowerColor and 1 Sapphire RX5700XT and noticed that the power draw on the sapphire is a lot less than the PowerColor.

1. PowerColor Radeon™ RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 (base model) - 110W
2. PowerColor Radeon™ RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 (base model) - 109W (fan continually ramps up 100% - temp only @ 49C)
3. PowerColor Red Devil Radeon™ RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 - 112W
4. SAPPHIRE NITRO+ Radeon RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 - 95W

It seems like buying Sapphire cards would theoretically be more power efficient based on my small data sampling.

Measured at the wall or into the SW (miner)?

In SMOS. The rig is closer to 570 at the wall, SMOS shows the rig around 545. I'm not sure how to measure each card independently @ the wall without running each card solo to get a sampling over a set time period.

Basically if you want an exact number you run the rig with all GPUs. And then just disconnect 1 GPU at a time and measure the chance in wattage. This is a pain to do because there is no easy way to disconnect the GPUs, you have to disconnect the riser, and disconnect the PCIe power cables. If you have the riser plugged in without PCIe cables it will draw power and vice versa. Hence it won't be accurate.

You also have to do this with the GPUs at a hot temperature because the rig uses less power when colder than hotter. One reason is that the fans spin faster and I think GPUs in general use more wattage when running hotter, no idea why. However the SMOS reading is pretty accurate I would say at 545 from being an estimate somewhat.

While chemical batteries poop out in cold weather (due to their decreased ability to have the electrons transfer between cathode and anode due to slower chemical reactions with decreased ambient energy), electrical circuits work better when there is less heat. Hence the holy grail of non sub-zero superconductors would be ground breaking but we're not there yet. This is one of the reasons why high voltage systems are used since they pass a lower amperage and tend to generate less heat (like transmission lines and battery electric vehicles). And of course as mentioned the fans have to spin up higher per the fan curve and that's going to eat 5-10watts as well.
sr. member
Activity: 604
Merit: 416
You also have to do this with the GPUs at a hot temperature because the rig uses less power when colder than hotter. One reason is that the fans spin faster and I think GPUs in general use more wattage when running hotter, no idea why. However the SMOS reading is pretty accurate I would say at 545 from being an estimate somewhat.

More heat = more power needed to work as intended as a lot of power is going into heat. Same is with ASICs, during winter some use almost 100W less than in summer.

Basically if you want an exact number you run the rig with all GPUs. And then just disconnect 1 GPU at a time and measure the chance in wattage. This is a pain to do because there is no easy way to disconnect the GPUs, you have to disconnect the riser, and disconnect the PCIe power cables. If you have the riser plugged in without PCIe cables it will draw power and vice versa. Hence it won't be accurate.

Or instead, just run system with 0 cards, measure, connect 1GPU, measure and substract previous measure, connect 2 GPUs, measure and substract previous measure...
You will know exactly how much your idle system uses, you will know how much each GPU uses and you can do it while making your rig or after cleaning when you are rebuilding it.
legendary
Activity: 3808
Merit: 1723
What's weird is that I'm running 3 PowerColor and 1 Sapphire RX5700XT and noticed that the power draw on the sapphire is a lot less than the PowerColor.

1. PowerColor Radeon™ RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 (base model) - 110W
2. PowerColor Radeon™ RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 (base model) - 109W (fan continually ramps up 100% - temp only @ 49C)
3. PowerColor Red Devil Radeon™ RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 - 112W
4. SAPPHIRE NITRO+ Radeon RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 - 95W

It seems like buying Sapphire cards would theoretically be more power efficient based on my small data sampling.

Measured at the wall or into the SW (miner)?

In SMOS. The rig is closer to 570 at the wall, SMOS shows the rig around 545. I'm not sure how to measure each card independently @ the wall without running each card solo to get a sampling over a set time period.

Basically if you want an exact number you run the rig with all GPUs. And then just disconnect 1 GPU at a time and measure the chance in wattage. This is a pain to do because there is no easy way to disconnect the GPUs, you have to disconnect the riser, and disconnect the PCIe power cables. If you have the riser plugged in without PCIe cables it will draw power and vice versa. Hence it won't be accurate.

You also have to do this with the GPUs at a hot temperature because the rig uses less power when colder than hotter. One reason is that the fans spin faster and I think GPUs in general use more wattage when running hotter, no idea why. However the SMOS reading is pretty accurate I would say at 545 from being an estimate somewhat.
sr. member
Activity: 361
Merit: 267
What's weird is that I'm running 3 PowerColor and 1 Sapphire RX5700XT and noticed that the power draw on the sapphire is a lot less than the PowerColor.

1. PowerColor Radeon™ RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 (base model) - 110W
2. PowerColor Radeon™ RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 (base model) - 109W (fan continually ramps up 100% - temp only @ 49C)
3. PowerColor Red Devil Radeon™ RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 - 112W
4. SAPPHIRE NITRO+ Radeon RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 - 95W

It seems like buying Sapphire cards would theoretically be more power efficient based on my small data sampling.

Measured at the wall or into the SW (miner)?

In SMOS. The rig is closer to 570 at the wall, SMOS shows the rig around 545. I'm not sure how to measure each card independently @ the wall without running each card solo to get a sampling over a set time period.
hero member
Activity: 729
Merit: 513
What's weird is that I'm running 3 PowerColor and 1 Sapphire RX5700XT and noticed that the power draw on the sapphire is a lot less than the PowerColor.

1. PowerColor Radeon™ RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 (base model) - 110W
2. PowerColor Radeon™ RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 (base model) - 109W (fan continually ramps up 100% - temp only @ 49C)
3. PowerColor Red Devil Radeon™ RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 - 112W
4. SAPPHIRE NITRO+ Radeon RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 - 95W

It seems like buying Sapphire cards would theoretically be more power efficient based on my small data sampling.

Measured at the wall or into the SW (miner)?
sr. member
Activity: 361
Merit: 267
What's weird is that I'm running 3 PowerColor and 1 Sapphire RX5700XT and noticed that the power draw on the sapphire is a lot less than the PowerColor.

1. PowerColor Radeon™ RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 (base model) - 110W
2. PowerColor Radeon™ RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 (base model) - 109W (fan continually ramps up 100% - temp only @ 49C)
3. PowerColor Red Devil Radeon™ RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 - 112W
4. SAPPHIRE NITRO+ Radeon RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 - 95W

It seems like buying Sapphire cards would theoretically be more power efficient based on my small data sampling.

Could it be that power draw difference is due to fans?

The first two are the 2 fan model using the 8 and 6 pin power connectors, but both the Red Devil and Nitro+ are 3 fan models using 2x 8 pin connectors.

So, theoretically the Red Devil and the Nitro+ should be pulling close to the same power, but instead, the Red Devil is closer to the 2 fan model in power draw.
sr. member
Activity: 604
Merit: 416
What's weird is that I'm running 3 PowerColor and 1 Sapphire RX5700XT and noticed that the power draw on the sapphire is a lot less than the PowerColor.

1. PowerColor Radeon™ RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 (base model) - 110W
2. PowerColor Radeon™ RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 (base model) - 109W (fan continually ramps up 100% - temp only @ 49C)
3. PowerColor Red Devil Radeon™ RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 - 112W
4. SAPPHIRE NITRO+ Radeon RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 - 95W

It seems like buying Sapphire cards would theoretically be more power efficient based on my small data sampling.

Could it be that power draw difference is due to fans?
member
Activity: 449
Merit: 24
What's weird is that I'm running 3 PowerColor and 1 Sapphire RX5700XT and noticed that the power draw on the sapphire is a lot less than the PowerColor.

1. PowerColor Radeon™ RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 (base model) - 110W
2. PowerColor Radeon™ RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 (base model) - 109W (fan continually ramps up 100% - temp only @ 49C)
3. PowerColor Red Devil Radeon™ RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 - 112W
4. SAPPHIRE NITRO+ Radeon RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 - 95W

It seems like buying Sapphire cards would theoretically be more power efficient based on my small data sampling.

Yes, same experience here.  Next to blower 5700 xts Sapphire cards are the best.
sr. member
Activity: 361
Merit: 267
What's weird is that I'm running 3 PowerColor and 1 Sapphire RX5700XT and noticed that the power draw on the sapphire is a lot less than the PowerColor.

1. PowerColor Radeon™ RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 (base model) - 110W
2. PowerColor Radeon™ RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 (base model) - 109W (fan continually ramps up 100% - temp only @ 49C)
3. PowerColor Red Devil Radeon™ RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 - 112W
4. SAPPHIRE NITRO+ Radeon RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 - 95W

It seems like buying Sapphire cards would theoretically be more power efficient based on my small data sampling.
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