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philipma1957

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Quote from: sech1 on October 29, 2020, 01:38:07 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on October 28, 2020, 06:18:29 PM

if the 6800xt does 100mh and 180 watts it will be a great miner.

if the 6800xt does 90mh and 200 watts it is okay.

It also needs to be available.

I almost got a Nvidia 3080 at Best Buy today. but it locked out of the cart,

Why does everyone assume these ridiculous numbers for 6000 series GPUs? Did you see the specs? They all have GDDR6 with 256 bit bus, 512 GB/s bandwidth only. They will do ~60 MH/s at best in stock, maybe up to 70 MH/s with memory overclock.

If means just that if.
It does not mean I assume anything at all.
If you were to go back in the thread you could read that I said if with much lower numbers then the one above. Just about the numbers you mention.

Personally I would love it to be that the 6800xt does 65 at 140 watts for simple miner stats
since my power color 5700xt do 51 at 104 watts for simple miner stats

If it is the case that the lessor if of 65/140 is true I am just fine with the power color cards

If your 70 mh is correct then the card is expensive as

650 for 70. 6800xt. is 9.28 a mh

vs 419 for 51 5700xt power color with a bios switch. 8.21 an mh

sech1

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Radeon 7 has 1 TB/s bandwidth with theoretical limit of ~134 MH/s, but they don't have enough GPU core power to achieve that. RX 6000 series will have another problem in mining - too much core power vs too little bandwidth.

Edit: but if we don't limit ourselves to only ETHash performance, some other algorithms might get a very nice boost from 128 MB cache. ETHash will just be far from the best option for RX 6000.

DrG

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Quote from: sech1 on October 29, 2020, 03:37:22 AM

Quote from: DrG on October 29, 2020, 03:10:16 AM

If it was entirely VRAM based then an ASIC would simple need HBM and a cheap FPGA or CPU to mine beyond that capable by a video card. The cores have to actually calculate the solutions and the RAM is needed to index that table. Clearly the core count is significantly higher because they were able to increase the efficiency even on the same node, so more of that 16GB of memory will be utilized. You could pair a RX460 with HBM memory and map a large bus to the memory it would still crawl. You need all parts running for ETH (even though everybody always parrots that core is irrelevant).

ETHash requires 8192 bytes accessed in VRAM per hash, with 512 GB/s bandwidth it's impossible to have more than 67.1 MH/s, no matter what GPU cores can do. Infinity cache can't help when 4 GB of memory is accessed randomly. FPGAs with HBM exist, they have similar bandwidth and hashrates at much lower power consumption (51 MH/s @ 70 watts).

I'm on a phone right now so I'll take your word for the napkin math. What was the theoretical maximum for Radeon 7 cards if strictly going by memory bandwidth? If it is indeed that close to the bandwidth maximum threshold, then perhaps AMD did not want the cards going to miners. Maybe that was a more of a reason for going GDDR6 instead of HBM2 cost factors. Yields for GDDR6 and GDDR6x have been pretty good from Samsung as it's pretty mature at this point (at least 16Gb).

sech1

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Quote from: DrG on October 29, 2020, 03:10:16 AM

If it was entirely VRAM based then an ASIC would simple need HBM and a cheap FPGA or CPU to mine beyond that capable by a video card. The cores have to actually calculate the solutions and the RAM is needed to index that table. Clearly the core count is significantly higher because they were able to increase the efficiency even on the same node, so more of that 16GB of memory will be utilized. You could pair a RX460 with HBM memory and map a large bus to the memory it would still crawl. You need all parts running for ETH (even though everybody always parrots that core is irrelevant).

ETHash requires 8192 bytes accessed in VRAM per hash, with 512 GB/s bandwidth it's impossible to have more than 67.1 MH/s, no matter what GPU cores can do. Infinity cache can't help when 4 GB of memory is accessed randomly. FPGAs with HBM exist, they have similar bandwidth and hashrates at much lower power consumption (51 MH/s @ 70 watts).

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Quote from: sech1 on October 29, 2020, 01:38:07 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on October 28, 2020, 06:18:29 PM

if the 6800xt does 100mh and 180 watts it will be a great miner.

if the 6800xt does 90mh and 200 watts it is okay.

It also needs to be available.

I almost got a Nvidia 3080 at Best Buy today. but it locked out of the cart,

Why does everyone assume these ridiculous numbers for 6000 series GPUs? Did you see the specs? They all have GDDR6 with 256 bit bus, 512 GB/s bandwidth only. They will do ~60 MH/s at best in stock, maybe up to 70 MH/s with memory overclock.

If it was entirely VRAM based then an ASIC would simple need HBM and a cheap FPGA or CPU to mine beyond that capable by a video card. The cores have to actually calculate the solutions and the RAM is needed to index that table. Clearly the core count is significantly higher because they were able to increase the efficiency even on the same node, so more of that 16GB of memory will be utilized. You could pair a RX460 with HBM memory and map a large bus to the memory it would still crawl. You need all parts running for ETH (even though everybody always parrots that core is irrelevant).

crazydane

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Isn't it possible the Infinity Cache will improve ETH performance? Perhaps once tweaks are done in the mining software?

sech1

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Quote from: philipma1957 on October 28, 2020, 06:18:29 PM

if the 6800xt does 100mh and 180 watts it will be a great miner.

if the 6800xt does 90mh and 200 watts it is okay.

It also needs to be available.

I almost got a Nvidia 3080 at Best Buy today. but it locked out of the cart,

Why does everyone assume these ridiculous numbers for 6000 series GPUs? Did you see the specs? They all have GDDR6 with 256 bit bus, 512 GB/s bandwidth only. They will do ~60 MH/s at best in stock, maybe up to 70 MH/s with memory overclock.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on October 28, 2020, 06:18:29 PM

Quote from: Eyedol-X on October 28, 2020, 06:01:04 PM

Quote from: soothaa on October 28, 2020, 01:52:41 PM

The 6900xt is a monster!!!

https://semiaccurate.com/2020/10/28/amd-radeon-6000-series-takes-the-gpu-crown/

It's also $1000 USD and the benchmarks AMD released today assumed you're using an AMD 5000 series CPU and new motherboard.

I think the 6800 is going to be the good AMD card for mining as of right now.

the 6900 is 1000.
the 6800 is 649.

if the 6800xt does 100mh and 180 watts it will be a great miner.

if the 6800xt does 90mh and 200 watts it is okay.

It also needs to be available.

I almost got a Nvidia 3080 at Best Buy today. but it locked out of the cart,

These are numbers I saw

Radeon RX 6800: $579
Radeon RX 6800 XT: $649
Radeon RX 6900 XT: $999

philipma1957

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'The right to privacy matters'

Quote from: Eyedol-X on October 28, 2020, 06:01:04 PM

Quote from: soothaa on October 28, 2020, 01:52:41 PM

The 6900xt is a monster!!!

https://semiaccurate.com/2020/10/28/amd-radeon-6000-series-takes-the-gpu-crown/

It's also $1000 USD and the benchmarks AMD released today assumed you're using an AMD 5000 series CPU and new motherboard.

I think the 6800 is going to be the good AMD card for mining as of right now.

the 6900 is 1000.
the 6800 is 649.

if the 6800xt does 100mh and 180 watts it will be a great miner.

if the 6800xt does 90mh and 200 watts it is okay.

It also needs to be available.

I almost got a Nvidia 3080 at Best Buy today. but it locked out of the cart,

Eyedol-X

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Quote from: soothaa on October 28, 2020, 01:52:41 PM

The 6900xt is a monster!!!

https://semiaccurate.com/2020/10/28/amd-radeon-6000-series-takes-the-gpu-crown/

It's also $1000 USD and the benchmarks AMD released today assumed you're using an AMD 5000 series CPU and new motherboard.

I think the 6800 is going to be the good AMD card for mining as of right now.

geck

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Have you tried chrome remote desktop? I have been using it for a while with no issues - and it's free!
I honestly don't see why people think windows is a hassle. I clone one rig, and i can use it on any of my rigs as long as they have the same chipset. I load them with nvidia and amd drivers and awesomeminer remote agent.
Literally plug and play.

soothaa

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The 6900xt is a monster!!!

https://semiaccurate.com/2020/10/28/amd-radeon-6000-series-takes-the-gpu-crown/

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Quote from: philipma1957 on October 28, 2020, 11:53:47 AM

Quote from: badbart on October 28, 2020, 11:40:01 AM

Why windows, when I had my rigs on widows it was a pain. SMOS is much washier for me to manage.

I like smos. but it does have limits.

I have six cpu rigs for mining xmr. smos does not allow that.

So I am always going to have some windows.

@ mmaenpaa

I will look into your link.

Why not use HiveOS? I am using it for my GPU rigs, but I know it also allows CPU mining. Honestly, after switching to a Linux based mining OS, I have had a lot less problems than with Windows before.

philipma1957

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'The right to privacy matters'

Quote from: badbart on October 28, 2020, 11:40:01 AM

Why windows, when I had my rigs on widows it was a pain. SMOS is much washier for me to manage.

I like smos. but it does have limits.

I have six cpu rigs for mining xmr. smos does not allow that.

So I am always going to have some windows.

@ mmaenpaa

I will look into your link.

badbart

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Why windows, when I had my rigs on widows it was a pain. SMOS is much washier for me to manage.

mmaenpaa

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I personally use commercial Teamviewer but I've seen this also in use:

https://anydesk.com/en

There is a free version for personal use. I have not checked too much if there are limitations on that tier.

I believe Anydesk was started by former Teamviewer people around 2014.

philipma1957

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'The right to privacy matters'

Quote from: favebook on October 27, 2020, 03:35:22 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on October 27, 2020, 10:25:59 AM

Quote from: favebook on October 27, 2020, 09:40:08 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on October 27, 2020, 09:37:09 AM

So I built an AMD Ryzen 3900 put in 1 amd 5700 and loaded teamveiwer.

I will use it to run the Verizon gear via TeamViewer I will also mine it it make 2-3 bucks a day.

Are you using free version or are you paying for commercial one?

I think commercial is close to 50 a month.

I could drop all my simple mining ⛏ which is 30 a month

go all windows and spend 50 a month on commercial teamviewer.

I may do this but in 2021.

50 a month lets me run 200 pcs

Yeah, they are a tad crazy with pricing, I just wish there was some smaller package than 28e a month. I might buy the 58e a month package for company if we move everything to online due to COVID, otherwise I wouldn't be able to justify the purchase.

I could justify the 50 usd deal if I end simple miner.

But the cost is 30 vs 50. and I would need to setup all the gpu rigs with windows.

that is 15 ssd's and programing.

Simple miner is cheaper at my 15-20 gpu rig level
I am also not so sure how well it would be to run windows as a mining rig via teamviewer.
no less run 15-20 rigs that way.

But I am going to test it out.
I will build a ryzen 9 3900x with an amd 5700 and use it to mine and control one router the optimum.
may do a second ryzen 3900x with an amd 5700 and use it to mine and control second router verizon.

my small form factor pc is crashing so it is a good time to test this out.

I have 4 ryzen 9 3900x rigs mining xmr

maybe I move the four from my house to clifton and try to use team viewer with them.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on October 27, 2020, 10:25:59 AM

Quote from: favebook on October 27, 2020, 09:40:08 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on October 27, 2020, 09:37:09 AM

So I built an AMD Ryzen 3900 put in 1 amd 5700 and loaded teamveiwer.

I will use it to run the Verizon gear via TeamViewer I will also mine it it make 2-3 bucks a day.

Are you using free version or are you paying for commercial one?

I think commercial is close to 50 a month.

I could drop all my simple mining ⛏ which is 30 a month

go all windows and spend 50 a month on commercial teamviewer.

I may do this but in 2021.

50 a month lets me run 200 pcs

Yeah, they are a tad crazy with pricing, I just wish there was some smaller package than 28e a month. I might buy the 58e a month package for company if we move everything to online due to COVID, otherwise I wouldn't be able to justify the purchase.

philipma1957

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'The right to privacy matters'

Quote from: favebook on October 27, 2020, 09:40:08 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on October 27, 2020, 09:37:09 AM

So I built an AMD Ryzen 3900 put in 1 amd 5700 and loaded teamveiwer.

I will use it to run the Verizon gear via TeamViewer I will also mine it it make 2-3 bucks a day.

Are you using free version or are you paying for commercial one?

I think commercial is close to 50 a month.

I could drop all my simple mining ⛏ which is 30 a month

go all windows and spend 50 a month on commercial teamviewer.

I may do this but in 2021.

50 a month lets me run 200 pcs

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Quote from: philipma1957 on October 27, 2020, 09:37:09 AM

So I built an AMD Ryzen 3900 put in 1 amd 5700 and loaded teamveiwer.

I will use it to run the Verizon gear via TeamViewer I will also mine it it make 2-3 bucks a day.

Are you using free version or are you paying for commercial one?

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