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I was thinking of the voting issue as well. So far, a pattern is emerging.

Let v be the voting function, mapping the amount x in one account to it's voting weight: v(x) -> weight of voting. Let's further assume v is monotonically increasing (the more you have the more your vote weigh in) and differentiable (so we have a v').

There are three cases:

1) v' is increasing => merging accounts is more valuable regarding voting => merging encouraged
2) v' is constant => 1 Nxt = 1 Vote; conservative; no change encouraged
3) v' is decreasing => splitting accounts is more valuable regarding voting => splitting encouraged

From my perspective, distribution of nxts is a good thing. So, higher amounts of fees are a good thing. Therefore, splitting and merging accounts should be encouraged as big shareholders then have to give away fees. These fees are then given to the ones forging and stabilizing the network.

On the other hand, splitting and merging just because somebody wants to act in the best interest of the network seem to me like spoon-feeding that somebody.

So, why not making v dependent of the amount of fee somebody is willing to pay for it. I favor a logarithmic scale: v(fee) = log(fee).
In that case, one could even imagine that these special fees aren't just given to block forgers but are evenly distributed among 'all voters' or 'winners' or 'loosers' of the voting session.
So, voting is encouraged.

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It's a polarizing farce that we really shouldn't attach ourselves to.

That's all there is to say. Leave it at energy costs and other implications.
+1
legendary
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wooohooo

https://vircurex.com/main/index

26 Jan 2014 - Nextcoin (NXT) NEW
We will be adding support for Nextcoin (NXT) today or latest tomorrow, unless our final quality assurance tests bring up any unexpected issues.

Oh yeah!
ohh yeah ohh yeah , at last some exchange I can trade in ...

nice

great Smiley

Will be interesting to see whether this has any effect on the nxt price Wink

There will certainly be an effect on the price of Nxt. Particularly if we get more than just a NXT/BTC trade pair.

And... if I'm not mistaken, one can trade any currency listed on Vircurex against any other. So we are about to get our first NXT/USD and NXT/EUR trade pairs!

They just don't list/link all the trade pairs on the front page (it makes sense because there are "N choose 2" possible pairs, where N is the number of distinct currencies. With the addition of NXT that will be 18C2 = 153 possible pairs).

E.g. On the Vircurex Homepage they list LTC/BTC. Clicking that gives the following URL "https://vircurex.com/orders?alt=ltc&base=btc". Changing "base=btc" to "base=eur" or to "base=usd" gives the following:

https://vircurex.com/orders?alt=ltc&base=usd
https://vircurex.com/orders?alt=ltc&base=eur

Admittedly these have lower liquidity because they aren't advertised very well. Ergo, I think we need to do our part to promote the NXT/USD and NXT/EUR pairs! Who's with me!? Perhaps if the liquidity of NXT/USD or NXT/EUR increased the Vircurex team might put some links to them on their homepage!
https://vircurex.com/accounts

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+ 1 NXT        ==   x Vote  { x = Func(accountBalance) =  polynom * accountBalance}

+ 1 Account  ==  1 Vote   { vote = Func(accountBalance) =  0.5 * accountBalance}

These won't work. They are easily defeated by splitting your wealth over several accounts.

I'm in favor of one vote per NXT.  That maximizes the value of each NXT rather than the value of having multiple accounts, or paying people to scam the system for you in some other way.

Any time you try to decentralized system that makes it difficult to game the system, you restrict the people who game the system to people who are willing to go against the implied moral contract of the platform (that you'll play by the rules).   In that way, I suggest it is better to allow everybody to "cheat" so that "cheating" is performed by good actors AND bad actors instead of just by actors willing to be bad.

NXT has a major concentration of wealth right now, but that's changing pretty quickly and if it gets popular I've got to imagine the temptation to sell part of their stakes will be too great for most.

It's really interesting watching this community - you guys are the only "headless" metalayer, lacking a founder or team and yet delivering with real working software.   

Keep up the good work Smiley
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https://vircurex.com/main/index

26 Jan 2014 - Nextcoin (NXT) NEW
We will be adding support for Nextcoin (NXT) today or latest tomorrow, unless our final quality assurance tests bring up any unexpected issues.

Oh yeah!
ohh yeah ohh yeah , at last some exchange I can trade in ...

nice

great Smiley

Will be interesting to see whether this has any effect on the nxt price Wink

There will certainly be an effect on the price of Nxt. Particularly if we get more than just a NXT/BTC trade pair.

And... if I'm not mistaken, one can trade any currency listed on Vircurex against any other. So we are about to get our first NXT/USD and NXT/EUR trade pairs!

They just don't list/link all the trade pairs on the front page (it makes sense because there are "N choose 2" possible pairs, where N is the number of distinct currencies. With the addition of NXT that will be 18C2 = 153 possible pairs).

E.g. On the Vircurex Homepage they list LTC/BTC. Clicking that gives the following URL "https://vircurex.com/orders?alt=ltc&base=btc". Changing "base=btc" to "base=eur" or to "base=usd" gives the following:

https://vircurex.com/orders?alt=ltc&base=usd
https://vircurex.com/orders?alt=ltc&base=eur

Admittedly these have lower liquidity because they aren't advertised very well. Ergo, I think we need to do our part to promote the NXT/USD and NXT/EUR pairs! Who's with me!? Perhaps if the liquidity of NXT/USD or NXT/EUR increased the Vircurex team might put some links to them on their homepage!
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c) how will the majority vote take effect?
AFAIK voting is only for opinion, no "legal" consequences.

so what is it good for then?
I assume the idea is not to vote on wether Nxt community likes turtles to fly or to crawl!?
I assume we vote for codechanges!? and when we come to a majority vote on a code change, we expect whom to implement this code change?
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NXT on Vircurex

Just posted on my @nxtcrypto Twitter from Chris Mueller:

"@NxtCrypto vircurex.com/main/index 26 Jan 2014 - Nextcoin (NXT) NEW We will be adding support for Nextcoin (NXT) today or latest tomorrow"

Now, how about that?! Spread it around!
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Btw, where is Come-from-Beyond?

Haven't seen him a while. To be honest he shouldn't be sleeping, let alone be missing for days.
He said before he won't be online during the Miami conf, so there is some offline activity. First after 2 months
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+ 1 NXT        ==   x Vote  { x = Func(accountBalance) =  polynom * accountBalance}

+ 1 Account  ==  1 Vote   { vote = Func(accountBalance) =  0.5 * accountBalance}

These won't work. They are easily defeated by splitting your wealth over several accounts.
Is there a chance of diluting accounts by paying transaction fee for splitting over several accounts?
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c) how will the majority vote take effect?
AFAIK voting is only for opinion, no "legal" consequences.
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It's a polarizing farce that we really shouldn't attach ourselves to.

That's all there is to say. Leave it at energy costs and other implications.
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Voting:

in the first place I would like to know how voting should work.

a) who sets up a poll? - probably everyone since we don't have any central authority, right?
b) what kind of poll can we set up?
c) how will the majority vote take effect?
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Have not met anyone from doge here. The main reps were:

- Bitcoin
- Nxt
- Bitshares
- Etherium

the order isn't quite right yet  Wink
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https://vircurex.com/main/index

26 Jan 2014 - Nextcoin (NXT) NEW
We will be adding support for Nextcoin (NXT) today or latest tomorrow, unless our final quality assurance tests bring up any unexpected issues.

Great News. THANKS PIN
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We need design a system for average joes, not only for geeks. Do you know what is the most popular password in this world? It is something like 1234password. We have to enforce the safest pass phrase format in the client when users set up their accounts. Period!

The clients will come out, they get better, more secure. It will work.

I would even say energy COST should be the focus.  Current energy costs makes Bitcoin mining marginally profitable at best when you run the numbers, while NXT on a Raspberry Pi runs at 25 nodes for the same power as a 100 W incandescent lightbulb.  

Also focus on the transparent forging, the 10000tps. It will be the true innovation of NXT and change the world.

In a few years, I want the average joe using NXT without knowing he uses NXT.
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On a serious note:
Ricky: have u got some numbers on NXT and energy consumption or do I have to actually do some........research?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4670054

But note my corrections:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4670892

Thanks, ricky. I'll see if I can work out exactly how much an offset program will cost.


I made the mistake of choosing a Russian girl as my drinking companion once.....that did not end well for EvilDave.

You got married?  Grin

Funnily.....I ended up with a lovely woman who doesn't drink at all
On the same topic: never try to drink Swedish girls under the table, either. Or Icelanders.....


NO DEBATING GLOBAL WARMING, please.
Can we agree on using energy conservation and maybe CO2 offset as NXT features/Unique Selling Points?


I'm only evil to those who really, really, really deserve it, Eh, FrictionlessCarlosRex(the man and the corporation)TM ?

KGB...LOL...thats kinda flattering.

Going afk for an hour or 3...


The data above is kinda outdated. Hungman and I work on an improved version which should be more resistant to people that try to poke holes into it
sr. member
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+ 1 NXT        ==   x Vote  { x = Func(accountBalance) =  polynom * accountBalance}

+ 1 Account  ==  1 Vote   { vote = Func(accountBalance) =  0.5 * accountBalance}

These won't work. They are easily defeated by splitting your wealth over several accounts.

May seem to on the first glance. But you have to pay fees in order to do so; which is a good thing for the whole Nxt community.
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wooohooo

https://vircurex.com/main/index

26 Jan 2014 - Nextcoin (NXT) NEW
We will be adding support for Nextcoin (NXT) today or latest tomorrow, unless our final quality assurance tests bring up any unexpected issues.

Oh yeah!
ohh yeah ohh yeah , at last some exchange I can trade in ...

nice

great Smiley

Will be interesting to see whether this has any effect on the nxt price Wink
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Hi folks. I live in New York, and can be at the April conference.

Nice. Let me guess: You need some NXT for this? Cheesy SCNR...

No, I don't.

One of my colleagues is speaking on a panel, and my firm has a number of conference passes for other attorneys to attend.

I'm out on vacation until the 28th, but am skimming this thread and over at nextcoin.org in the meantime, and would be happy to chat with anyone after that to see if I can help out.

+1.
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