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legendary
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of course not; just explain how its ok for a "company" to do an audit of our curve signing implemenation, but not ok for a private competent individual to do it, just because he happens to teach at a university?

Ok, I'll try one more time (by the way, nice example from utopianfuture about the rating agencies).

When you pay a company, it does the audit and hands results to you.

When an (already-on-a-salary) academic does a review, he announces it to the whole world.

Small, but crucial difference.

I agree we shouldn't hire a company to do the audit.  We need to find a person to do the audit, someone who is an academic or professional in the crypto market.  I've contacted about 10 individuals who's ethics wouldn't be questioned, and who could care less about 10BTC.  I'm basing their ethics on the fact that none of them have involvement in crypto currencies, which I would say is a conflict of interest if they did.
sr. member
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Internet of Value
Can anyone remember how much Satoshi paid Kasperski?

I certainly doubt he published "out of the goodness of his heart" though.

Smiley


Let's hire Kasperski. Does anyone have an objection ?
legendary
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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
Can anyone remember how much Satoshi paid Kasperski?

I certainly doubt he published "out of the goodness of his heart" though (so perhaps we ought to find an academic who has secretly already invested in NXT).

Smiley
legendary
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Then find someone who will do it for free.

So, to reverse your logic, if I can't find somebody who will do it free, I should go and pay somebody with questionable ethics, who will?

So if I can't, say, get a building permit from a government official, I should go and find somebody who can "solve my problem" for a fee?

You see the slippery slope yet?

There is no logic involved, I'm asking you to find someone to do it for free.
full member
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of course not; just explain how its ok for a "company" to do an audit of our curve signing implemenation, but not ok for a private competent individual to do it, just because he happens to teach at a university?

Ok, I'll try one more time (by the way, nice example from utopianfuture about the rating agencies).

When you pay a company, it does the audit and hands results to you.

When an (already-on-a-salary) academic does a review, he announces it to the whole world.

Small, but crucial difference.

The plan has never been for whoever we hire to write a paper and announce it to the world.  In my discussions with Ittay, this never came up.  The results of the work were just for our community's peace of mind on our code's security.
hero member
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www.coinschedule.com
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hero member
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of course not; just explain how its ok for a "company" to do an audit of our curve signing implemenation, but not ok for a private competent individual to do it, just because he happens to teach at a university?

Ok, I'll try one more time (by the way, nice example from utopianfuture about the rating agencies).

When you pay a company, it does the audit and hands results to you.

When an (already-on-a-salary) academic does a review, he announces it to the whole world.

Small, but crucial difference.

I hate academics and their gay twead blazers.
hero member
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Simcoin Developer
of course not; just explain how its ok for a "company" to do an audit of our curve signing implemenation, but not ok for a private competent individual to do it, just because he happens to teach at a university?

Ok, I'll try one more time (by the way, nice example from utopianfuture about the rating agencies).

When you pay a company, it does the audit and hands results to you.

When an (already-on-a-salary) academic does a review, he announces it to the whole world.

Small, but crucial difference.
hero member
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Can anyone remember how much Satoshi paid Kasperski?
hero member
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Hey guys this is NiftyNikel

While I would be more than happy to be part of a team with a dev to field questions, I feel that me alone would not be a good idea. While I am technically minded, I am no where near a dev level to be able to articulate the inner workings of the protocol or it's advanced features. Since this is more geared towards the technical side, I say we need to get a dev out there for the panel.

I would be willing to chip in to get a dev there and be on the panel with them, but time is limited and something needs to happen soon. Like others have said, this is an amazing opportunity for Nxt and we should do everything possible to get a dev there.


So guys, 10 minute break of this pay-or-not-pay-stuff.

Let's wangle this! Thoughts, comments, ideas?
legendary
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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
Hopefully, at least some of you understand my references here. Unfortunately that is how it generally works in independent rating and researches today.

Yes - I get it and unfortunately I think some others don't realise how modern day academic research is generally funded (by industry).
full member
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thats ok, we all think you are a bit nutso yourself

Oh, thank you for your kind words. Do you want me to leave?

of course not; just explain how its ok for a "company" to do an audit of our curve signing implemenation, but not ok for a private competent individual to do it, just because he happens to teach at a university?
sr. member
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Internet of Value
OK, I can't keep up responding to all of you jumping at me like this.

I'm not jumping at you. I respect your position. I just disagree and want to explain why.
I understand the worries, but don't think it will be that much of an issue.

I also respect you for voicing your opinion!

Agreed - just understand that this is how all "audit" companies work - they are "paid" to do "audits" and they are paid by the very companies they are auditing.


Well I think NxtChg has a point in an idealistic sense. Remember how Moody rated all these mortgage back securities (MBS), credit default swap (CDS) in 2006-2007.

Hopefully, at least some of you understand my references. Unfortunately that is how it generally works in independent rating and researches today.
hero member
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thats ok, we all think you are a bit nutso yourself


Manners, k?
legendary
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thats ok, we all think you are a bit nutso yourself

Oh, thank you for your kind words. Do you want me to leave?

Your opinions are welcomed and worth discussing so please don't leave on my behalf. Smiley


Seconded
legendary
Activity: 1890
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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
thats ok, we all think you are a bit nutso yourself

Oh, thank you for your kind words. Do you want me to leave?

Your opinions are welcomed and worth discussing so please don't leave on my behalf. Smiley
hero member
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... and indeed some audit companies have ended up being demolished by bad ethics bad that hasn't stopped plenty of others being able to remain both ethical and profitable).


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legendary
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sorry guys just needed little help where's the best place to buy & park a domain name...preferably using paypal?

I normally use hostgator but wanted to see if there was a better option.

hero member
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Simcoin Developer
thats ok, we all think you are a bit nutso yourself

Oh, thank you for your kind words. Do you want me to leave?
legendary
Activity: 1890
Merit: 1086
Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
OK, I can't keep up responding to all of you jumping at me like this.

I'm not jumping at you. I respect your position. I just disagree and want to explain why.
I understand the worries, but don't think it will be that much of an issue.

I also respect you for voicing your opinion!

Agreed - just understand that this is how all "audit" companies work - they are "paid" to do "audits" and they are paid by the very companies that they are auditing (and indeed some audit companies have ended up being demolished by bad ethics but that hasn't stopped plenty of others being able to remain both ethical and profitable).
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