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Marcus having fun.
A marketing Committee
1) I propose Salsacz, Pin, Utopianfuture, Opticarrier & Klee form the marketing committee
2) Marketing budget 7 millions Nxt
3) This should not be put to a vote
4) Marketing committee membership & funding should NOT BE PUT TO A VOTE (I have noticed that many accounts are using VOTING as a tactic to slow down our progress)
ALL THE ABOVE HAVE PROVEN THEMSELVES AS RESPONSIBLE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY & SALSACZ IS A MARKETING WONDER.
I second Salsacz's nomination. I am sure we will get amazing return on whatever marketing budget is allocated. Since community has to approve, I fear some sort of vote is required, especially as to the amount, unless CfB can convince BCNext to just allocate the millions of NXT that are needed.1) I propose Salsacz, Pin, Utopianfuture, Opticarrier & Klee form the marketing committee
2) Marketing budget 7 millions Nxt
3) This should not be put to a vote
4) Marketing committee membership & funding should NOT BE PUT TO A VOTE (I have noticed that many accounts are using VOTING as a tactic to slow down our progress)
ALL THE ABOVE HAVE PROVEN THEMSELVES AS RESPONSIBLE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY & SALSACZ IS A MARKETING WONDER.
James
NO VOTING....Utopianfuture will organize everyone.....they will create the marketing account...funds will be transfered there for everyone to see.
ALL SIX will decide how to spend the money
1) I propose Salsacz, Pin, Utopianfuture, Opticarrier & Klee form the marketing committee
What about Anon136?
I'd add NiftyNikel in that mix (nextcoin.org). Not only does he control the swarms (gaining volunteers and deploying initiatives), he's been pushing the exchanges and headed to Miami BTC (business cards and pins in hand) to push NXT.
https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,1718.0.html
https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,17.0.html
He also lead the development of the press release and was behind the NXT feature that should be posted any day from a well known crypto news site.
So, finalizing everything, if my real time is UTC+2 and it is correct, the difference in 1 hour of block AAAAA I see in blockchainexplorer and my client is normal and it is not the error I always get when I have a chance to forge but do not forge succesfuly?
Right, PM me with ur account id, I'll check how many u forged.
Is anyone else worried about Nxt's infatuation with voting?
I like voting in general but it isn't always the right way to make decisions. Sometimes a project needs to be organized around a visionary person, especially in its early stages. Different people will have different and excellent ideas for moving a project forward, but if you mix them all together by way of a voting system, there is no clear vision and focus for the project.
Take development of the Linux kernel for example. Linus Torvalds is in charge, there is no voting, and the project is thriving. Bram Cohen was in charge of the bittorrent protocol and that didn't hurt its decentralizedness. Which successful software projects put everything to a vote?
If we aren't careful, Nxt will serve as an example of decentralization taken too far, and how not to organize a project.
Here's another short and pertinent post on the subject:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4471328
I like voting in general but it isn't always the right way to make decisions. Sometimes a project needs to be organized around a visionary person, especially in its early stages. Different people will have different and excellent ideas for moving a project forward, but if you mix them all together by way of a voting system, there is no clear vision and focus for the project.
Take development of the Linux kernel for example. Linus Torvalds is in charge, there is no voting, and the project is thriving. Bram Cohen was in charge of the bittorrent protocol and that didn't hurt its decentralizedness. Which successful software projects put everything to a vote?
If we aren't careful, Nxt will serve as an example of decentralization taken too far, and how not to organize a project.
Here's another short and pertinent post on the subject:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4471328
Voting is for getting a range of opinions. The result is a suggestion, what COULD be done. Not what will be done no matter what...
A marketing Committee
1) I propose Salsacz, Pin, Utopianfuture, Opticarrier & Klee form the marketing committee
2) Marketing budget 7 millions Nxt
3) This should not be put to a vote
4) Marketing committee membership & funding should NOT BE PUT TO A VOTE (I have noticed that many accounts are using VOTING as a tactic to slow down our progress)
ALL THE ABOVE HAVE PROVEN THEMSELVES AS RESPONSIBLE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY & SALSACZ IS A MARKETING WONDER.
I second Salsacz's nomination. I am sure we will get amazing return on whatever marketing budget is allocated. Since community has to approve, I fear some sort of vote is required, especially as to the amount, unless CfB can convince BCNext to just allocate the millions of NXT that are needed.1) I propose Salsacz, Pin, Utopianfuture, Opticarrier & Klee form the marketing committee
2) Marketing budget 7 millions Nxt
3) This should not be put to a vote
4) Marketing committee membership & funding should NOT BE PUT TO A VOTE (I have noticed that many accounts are using VOTING as a tactic to slow down our progress)
ALL THE ABOVE HAVE PROVEN THEMSELVES AS RESPONSIBLE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY & SALSACZ IS A MARKETING WONDER.
James
James
1) I propose Salsacz, Pin, Utopianfuture, Opticarrier & Klee form the marketing committee
What about Anon136?
GREAT! idea
+1
So, finalizing everything, if my real time is UTC+2 and it is correct, the difference in 1 hour of block AAAAA I see in blockchainexplorer and my client is normal and it is not the error I always get when I have a chance to forge but do not forge succesfuly?
Yes.
OK, so it means that I don't have a luck (need to visit church) or there is other error on server side.
1) I propose Salsacz, Pin, Utopianfuture, Opticarrier & Klee form the marketing committee
What about Anon136?
GREAT! idea
+1
Quote from: jl777
Within a month, client software will be ready, large scale marketing will require some time. If there was a marketing budget, better plans could be made as to how to allocate it. I think most all agree that NXT needs some significant increase in the number of NXT users. This requires marketing and sales. With user friendly clients, we can go to the mass market.
The first question is how much to allocate to marketing. Once we know this, we can work to allocate to the different marketing programs. I strongly believe in pay for performance marketing. A website nobody goes to has little value, even if it has a lot of good info. A confusing badly made website, still has value if it brings in NXT'ers.
We define a performance metric for marketing. We set a NXT value to that. We roll out massive pay for performance marketing plan. 100 BTC worth of pay for performance marketing is possible. That would make it the largest ever and become news worthy in and of itself.
The first question is how much to allocate to marketing. Once we know this, we can work to allocate to the different marketing programs. I strongly believe in pay for performance marketing. A website nobody goes to has little value, even if it has a lot of good info. A confusing badly made website, still has value if it brings in NXT'ers.
We define a performance metric for marketing. We set a NXT value to that. We roll out massive pay for performance marketing plan. 100 BTC worth of pay for performance marketing is possible. That would make it the largest ever and become news worthy in and of itself.
James, with all due respect and appreciation for your contributions to this project, I think that is just a terrible idea. This is open-source, non-commercial, non-proprietary software. Nxt would be the first example of this type of software going on a paid advertising blitz. Linux didn't advertise. Bittorrent didn't advertise. Bitcoin and Litecoin didn't advertise. This is the sort of project that has to survive and thrive on its own merits, not on its marketing reach.
Online advertising has been the focus of my working life for the last 12+ years and I spend very big on it every month, but it is not a fit for Nxt. I beg you to reconsider this strategy. Our efforts should be focused on infrastructure, functionality, and support. We can't shove Nxt down people's throats like we can with other products and services. It just won't work.
In my experience, whenever there is a crowded market, marketing and advertising is required to achieve top positions. How many alternatives are there to NXT? I am talking about from a non-technical end user's standpoint. As far as they are concerned, NXT is one of 100+ altcoins. With the strong bias against proof of stake coins, do you really think that NXT will achieve its full potential without marketing or advertising?
Please name me a single product in a crowded market that rose above all the others without marketing and sales.
Ripple is getting placements in top rated TV shows. Apple got placements in dozens of movies. I am not talking about any "shove", just a way to get on thousands of websites and getting value for money spent.
From what I can tell, by April NXT will have a ton of technology, but at the current rate of getting new accounts (~200/day) it will take a long time to get to 100,000 NXT'ers.
What is wrong about speeding that up? The first proof of stake coin that gets to 100,000 users and 10,000 websites will benefit from the network effect and nothing else would ever be able to catch up.
James
+100
Until my parents and their friends have heard of Nxt, we have a long way to go. Development needs to coincide with strong marketing initiatives or we end up lost in the sea of nerds that already understand the basics of crypto.
A marketing Committee
1) I propose Salsacz, Pin, Utopianfuture, Opticarrier & Klee form the marketing committee
2) Marketing budget 7 millions Nxt
3) This should not be put to a vote
4) Marketing committee membership & funding should NOT BE PUT TO A VOTE (I have noticed that many accounts are using VOTING as a tactic to slow down our progress)
ALL THE ABOVE HAVE PROVEN THEMSELVES AS RESPONSIBLE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY & SALSACZ IS A MARKETING WONDER.
I second Salsacz's nomination. I am sure we will get amazing return on whatever marketing budget is allocated. Since community has to approve, I fear some sort of vote is required, especially as to the amount, unless CfB can convince BCNext to just allocate the millions of NXT that are needed.1) I propose Salsacz, Pin, Utopianfuture, Opticarrier & Klee form the marketing committee
2) Marketing budget 7 millions Nxt
3) This should not be put to a vote
4) Marketing committee membership & funding should NOT BE PUT TO A VOTE (I have noticed that many accounts are using VOTING as a tactic to slow down our progress)
ALL THE ABOVE HAVE PROVEN THEMSELVES AS RESPONSIBLE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY & SALSACZ IS A MARKETING WONDER.
James
1) I propose Salsacz, Pin, Utopianfuture, Opticarrier & Klee form the marketing committee
What about Anon136?
GREAT! idea
I suppose some people fumble sometimes in their clock settings just to get the 'right time', even if it is wrong.
Yes - this is my guess and why I think some better advice should be given so people aren't stupidly adjusting their clocks.
But i think that's what CfB meant.
1) I propose Salsacz, Pin, Utopianfuture, Opticarrier & Klee form the marketing committee
What about Anon136?
Re-posting my Public Service Announcement:
If you are new to Nxt and don't want to read through 980 pages of forum posts, trolling, and FUD, come to the wiki:
- Learn about Nxt
- Get started
- get basic questions answered in the FAQ and common problems pages
- Learn how to set up a public node on a VPS, using laowai80's steps
- read up on the Nxt high-level API, which you can use to build apps, games, clients, utilities, and more
- find additional resources for programmers, including suggested methods for handling transactions, a PHP library, and more.
- check out the current draft version of the Nxt whitepaper, which is being built and refined by top community contributors (it's still rough, but there's lots of great content already)
Also remember there are great forums with lots of info and support for beginners. Many of the best Nxt wiki articles are based on information originally contributed here:
- The nxtcrypto.org forum
- The nextcoin.org forum
Wiki contributors pull information from these threads every day to keep the wiki up to date. You can also help contribute, or translate.
This thread is long daunting for new folks, and most of the conversation here is not helpful for beginners. So son't get frustrated -- come to the places where new folks are welcomed and pampered!
If you are new to Nxt and don't want to read through 980 pages of forum posts, trolling, and FUD, come to the wiki:
- Learn about Nxt
- Get started
- get basic questions answered in the FAQ and common problems pages
- Learn how to set up a public node on a VPS, using laowai80's steps
- read up on the Nxt high-level API, which you can use to build apps, games, clients, utilities, and more
- find additional resources for programmers, including suggested methods for handling transactions, a PHP library, and more.
- check out the current draft version of the Nxt whitepaper, which is being built and refined by top community contributors (it's still rough, but there's lots of great content already)
Also remember there are great forums with lots of info and support for beginners. Many of the best Nxt wiki articles are based on information originally contributed here:
- The nxtcrypto.org forum
- The nextcoin.org forum
Wiki contributors pull information from these threads every day to keep the wiki up to date. You can also help contribute, or translate.
This thread is long daunting for new folks, and most of the conversation here is not helpful for beginners. So son't get frustrated -- come to the places where new folks are welcomed and pampered!
Quote from: jl777
Within a month, client software will be ready, large scale marketing will require some time. If there was a marketing budget, better plans could be made as to how to allocate it. I think most all agree that NXT needs some significant increase in the number of NXT users. This requires marketing and sales. With user friendly clients, we can go to the mass market.
The first question is how much to allocate to marketing. Once we know this, we can work to allocate to the different marketing programs. I strongly believe in pay for performance marketing. A website nobody goes to has little value, even if it has a lot of good info. A confusing badly made website, still has value if it brings in NXT'ers.
We define a performance metric for marketing. We set a NXT value to that. We roll out massive pay for performance marketing plan. 100 BTC worth of pay for performance marketing is possible. That would make it the largest ever and become news worthy in and of itself.
The first question is how much to allocate to marketing. Once we know this, we can work to allocate to the different marketing programs. I strongly believe in pay for performance marketing. A website nobody goes to has little value, even if it has a lot of good info. A confusing badly made website, still has value if it brings in NXT'ers.
We define a performance metric for marketing. We set a NXT value to that. We roll out massive pay for performance marketing plan. 100 BTC worth of pay for performance marketing is possible. That would make it the largest ever and become news worthy in and of itself.
James, with all due respect and appreciation for your contributions to this project, I think that is just a terrible idea. This is open-source, non-commercial, non-proprietary software. Nxt would be the first example of this type of software going on a paid advertising blitz. Linux didn't advertise. Bittorrent didn't advertise. Bitcoin and Litecoin didn't advertise. This is the sort of project that has to survive and thrive on its own merits, not on its marketing reach.
Online advertising has been the focus of my working life for the last 12+ years and I spend very big on it every month, but it is not a fit for Nxt. I beg you to reconsider this strategy. Our efforts should be focused on infrastructure, functionality, and support. We can't shove Nxt down people's throats like we can with other products and services. It just won't work.
In my experience, whenever there is a crowded market, marketing and advertising is required to achieve top positions. How many alternatives are there to NXT? I am talking about from a non-technical end user's standpoint. As far as they are concerned, NXT is one of 100+ altcoins. With the strong bias against proof of stake coins, do you really think that NXT will achieve its full potential without marketing or advertising?
Please name me a single product in a crowded market that rose above all the others without marketing and sales.
Ripple is getting placements in top rated TV shows. Apple got placements in dozens of movies. I am not talking about any "shove", just a way to get on thousands of websites and getting value for money spent.
From what I can tell, by April NXT will have a ton of technology, but at the current rate of getting new accounts (~200/day) it will take a long time to get to 100,000 NXT'ers.
What is wrong about speeding that up? The first proof of stake coin that gets to 100,000 users and 10,000 websites will benefit from the network effect and nothing else would ever be able to catch up.
James
That is my configuration I have, my timezone is UTC+2 and time synced with time server.
So... now you can be sure that the errors are not related to wrong timezone settings.
So, finalizing everything, if my real time is UTC+2 and it is correct, the difference in 1 hour of block AAAAA I see in blockchainexplorer and my client is normal and it is not the error I always get when I have a chance to forge but do not forge succesfuly?
CFB: Would it make sense to make a kind of funding committee? To think about which kind of investments make sense and in which projects the money will go in? Yes, this is somehow centralized, but I guess it would help more to make just “decisions by the community” what could be just the loudest guys in Bitcoinkalk.
Good idea.
Something like this: The Foundation https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,709.0.html
something like this:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4466919
Pin
I suppose some people fumble sometimes in their clock settings just to get the 'right time', even if it is wrong.
Yes - this is my guess and why I think some better advice should be given so people aren't stupidly adjusting their clocks.
CFB: Would it make sense to make a kind of funding committee? To think about which kind of investments make sense and in which projects the money will go in? Yes, this is somehow centralized, but I guess it would help more to make just “decisions by the community” what could be just the loudest guys in Bitcoinkalk.
Good idea.
Something like this: The Foundation https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,709.0.html
something like this:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4466919
Pin
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