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newbie
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August 26, 2012, 01:13:23 PM
#53
The Fed prints the money then lends it to the government at interest. It's both.
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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
August 26, 2012, 01:05:32 PM
#52
2) If they tax less they will just borrow print more.

I come from the future. This man speaks the truth.

fixed.
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August 26, 2012, 12:55:26 PM
#51
2) If they tax less they will just borrow more.

I come from the future. This man speaks the truth.
hero member
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August 26, 2012, 12:29:48 PM
#50
I'm in for Romney, I'm normally anti big-business, and often lean a little towards the left, however I think the only way to fix the economy is with business. Someone who made a fortune running businesses (even the ones he closed) can fix the economy, and work on the debt. You can run a business with money you don't have, just like you can't run a country with money you don't have. I stand by Romney, even though I can't vote, and the people's vote doesn't matter in an election.

The problem with this is that Romney's business experience is all in government-connected big-businesses. He has very little understanding of how small businesses, the engine of job growth, work. He'll do a great job ensuring profits for large companies with lobbyists, but won't be able to solve the real problems.

Here is another way Johnson is better than Romney. Johnson has plenty of business experience at the other end of the scale, he built up his own company from the ground floor.
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August 26, 2012, 12:26:37 PM
#49
So you hope for Romney to cut taxes on businesses and the rich in an effort to balance the budget via increased economic activity and therefore increased tax revenue?

1) He is not directly in control of this. Levying taxes is up to congress.
2) If they tax less they will just borrow more.
3) What taxes will be cut by how much, and which businesses do you expect this to bring back to america? How long will it take to get these tax cuts through, and how long until the businesses return?
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August 26, 2012, 11:55:51 AM
#48

I'm in for Romney, I'm normally anti big-business, and often lean a little towards the left, however I think the only way to fix the economy is with business. Someone who made a fortune running businesses (even the ones he closed) can fix the economy, and work on the debt. You can run a business with money you don't have, just like you can't run a country with money you don't have. I stand by Romney, even though I can't vote, and the people's vote doesn't matter in an election.

What exactly do you expect him to do?

I'm hoping here's there with a patriotic agenda. I know he will make a lot of moves that protect big business, but at the same time, having tax cuts for the rich and businesses will bring more businesses back to America. In turn creating jobs and boosting economy. I hope that his history with Bane Capital will help him balance the budget like a business (being in the green). My only worry is if he is there to cause damage to our rights, by protecting businesses too much. That couples with the thought he could be there only for his own gains.[quote

Like most others in government, he's a politician.  He's there for his own pocketbook and ego, and he'll be more than happy to do the bidding of his corporate sponsors.

Only once we take the money/career aspect out of government with the power hungry greedy psychos leave.

M

That is one of my big concerns, see the rest of my post. Bidding in the name of business could help the economy. Obama taxed business higher, with the theory that we get more money from them. By lowering the taxes of business, I think many will come back to America from countries they outsourced to/countries with little tax rate. Instead of taking a business for a ride with taxes, it would be better to get a smaller amount from MANY more businesses.
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August 26, 2012, 09:06:03 AM
#47
The most important issues to me are not addressed by either mainstream candidate:


1) Balancing the budget (especially through cutting defense spending). (Romney/Ryan does not even pretend to plan to balance the budget for many decades)
2) End the drug war.
3) Stop using the tax system to micromanage everyone's lives, trying to pressure them into taking out student debt, getting married, having kids, buying a house, etc. Replace the current tax system with one that can be explained with no more than 100 pages.
4) Stop invading other countries.
5) Respect civil liberties, the need for warrants for all searches, the prohibition on torture, and due process.
6) Ending legal tender laws

i think you are right on all points.
but you are missing some every important issues, mostly that the us economy is extremely energy-inefficient and highly dependent on oil. as long as no us government is willing to admit to its people that the country is on its way into economic collapse and has to implement some rather drastic measures, you are fucked no matter how you handle all the other issues.
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August 26, 2012, 08:18:45 AM
#46
Government should be set up like in Canada..... Nothing ever get's accomplished because no one ever agrees on anything... Tongue
legendary
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August 26, 2012, 08:15:57 AM
#45
I'm in for Romney, I'm normally anti big-business, and often lean a little towards the left, however I think the only way to fix the economy is with business. Someone who made a fortune running businesses (even the ones he closed) can fix the economy, and work on the debt. You can run a business with money you don't have, just like you can't run a country with money you don't have. I stand by Romney, even though I can't vote, and the people's vote doesn't matter in an election.

Like most others in government, he's a politician.  He's there for his own pocketbook and ego, and he'll be more than happy to do the bidding of his corporate sponsors.

Only once we take the money/career aspect out of government will the power hungry greedy psychos leave.

M
sr. member
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August 26, 2012, 08:01:27 AM
#44
I'm in for Romney, I'm normally anti big-business, and often lean a little towards the left, however I think the only way to fix the economy is with business. Someone who made a fortune running businesses (even the ones he closed) can fix the economy, and work on the debt. You can run a business with money you don't have, just like you can't run a country with money you don't have. I stand by Romney, even though I can't vote, and the people's vote doesn't matter in an election.

The problem with this is that Romney's business experience is all in government-connected big-businesses. He has very little understanding of how small businesses, the engine of job growth, work. He'll do a great job ensuring profits for large companies with lobbyists, but won't be able to solve the real problems.
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daytrader/superhero
August 26, 2012, 01:15:22 AM
#43
We now have a permanent US military base here with thousands of US troops

Really? Ive heard about the AFB in Alice springs, but that's supposed to be a tiny base in the middle of the outback (and hardly thousands large).....what other bases do we have there?
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August 25, 2012, 11:59:20 PM
#42
I'm in for Romney, I'm normally anti big-business, and often lean a little towards the left, however I think the only way to fix the economy is with business. Someone who made a fortune running businesses (even the ones he closed) can fix the economy, and work on the debt. You can run a business with money you don't have, just like you can't run a country with money you don't have. I stand by Romney, even though I can't vote, and the people's vote doesn't matter in an election.

What exactly do you expect him to do?
hero member
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August 25, 2012, 11:33:22 PM
#41
I'm in for Romney, I'm normally anti big-business, and often lean a little towards the left, however I think the only way to fix the economy is with business. Someone who made a fortune running businesses (even the ones he closed) can fix the economy, and work on the debt. You can run a business with money you don't have, just like you can't run a country with money you don't have. I stand by Romney, even though I can't vote, and the people's vote doesn't matter in an election.
hero member
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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
August 25, 2012, 11:25:12 PM
#40
You should try living in Australia where the current prime minister got only 30% of the vote at the last election but is still running the country into the ground. This was after a US coup of getting her the job by taking down the last guy because he was too close to china. I dont know anyone who has ever voted for her. We now have a permanent US military base here with thousands of US troops.

Go figure.

Sorry, we needed the lebensraum.
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Wat
August 25, 2012, 11:10:29 PM
#39
You should try living in Australia where the current prime minister got only 30% of the vote at the last election but is still running the country into the ground. This was after a US coup of getting her the job by taking down the last guy because he was too close to china. I dont know anyone who has ever voted for her. We now have a permanent US military base here with thousands of US troops.

Go figure.
donator
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August 25, 2012, 11:03:22 PM
#38
Worth noting there are thresholds third parties must meet to receive automatic ballot access. This varies by state, but generally requires a .5%-10% showing. Without obtaining this, candidates generally need tens or hundreds of thousands of signatures in each state way before the election, which dries up third-party candidates' coffers faster than they can replenish at such an early stage.

Third-party presidential candidates don't have a chance in '12, but they do have the ability to allow future candidates to actually spend resources on campaigning instead of paying swarms of people to collect enough signatures to get on a ballot. That's good for spreading ideas, and looks to be the best to reasonably hope for within the next couple decades. As is, state laws have more-or-less created a duopoly for Dems and Reps. Though... I think the USG is too far gone at this point, and there are plenty of opportunities to spread liberty faster than reversing government control over our lives through politics, and I think the % of US citizens not voting speaks more powerfully than a relatively good run by a LP pres. candidate in a particular year... though this assumes the candidates will spend a very large chunk of resources just buying signatures. Third parties, I found in 2008, appear to frequently bicker about trivial shit, too -- drama in politics, which itself is pretty much glorified drama - not a very productive environment.
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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
August 25, 2012, 10:48:22 PM
#37
Voting for a libertarian will be a "waste of time" until so many people do it that people like you feel like their vote matters.

If you want that day to come sooner, vote anyways to send a message: "we haven't given up".

Many can vote libertarian or other third party but are too stubborn to do so.  Take a solidly democratic state like Maryland.....  Republicans do not have a chance of winning.  They can vote libertarian instead if they are unhappy with their party of the two party system.  Democrats in solidly republican states like Utah and Idaho can do the same. 

Something like that happens, the Libertarian party might just take popular vote. Cheesy
legendary
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August 25, 2012, 10:43:47 PM
#36
Voting for a libertarian will be a "waste of time" until so many people do it that people like you feel like their vote matters.

If you want that day to come sooner, vote anyways to send a message: "we haven't given up".

Many can vote libertarian or other third party but are too stubborn to do so.  Take a solidly democratic state like Maryland.....  Republicans do not have a chance of winning.  They can vote libertarian instead if they are unhappy with their party of the two party system.  Democrats in solidly republican states like Utah and Idaho can do the same. 


newbie
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August 25, 2012, 09:19:30 PM
#35
From the outside Obama seems to have been a rather kick ass president.
People are always gonna be pissed of with whoever's in power.
We all expect our leaders to look after us specifically, who cares about the rest of the population.
Besides being blamed for the wall street crash what else stands against everyone revoting for him?

It may be opposition propaganda, but it does seem like Romney will say anything to get elected.
And he seems to think he's smarter than the entire country:
You want to see my tax returns? You'll have to elect me first.

What has obama done?

He didn't do anything. Someone else made that happen.
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hero member
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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
August 25, 2012, 09:12:04 PM
#34
From the outside Obama seems to have been a rather kick ass president.
People are always gonna be pissed of with whoever's in power.
We all expect our leaders to look after us specifically, who cares about the rest of the population.
Besides being blamed for the wall street crash what else stands against everyone revoting for him?

It may be opposition propaganda, but it does seem like Romney will say anything to get elected.
And he seems to think he's smarter than the entire country:
You want to see my tax returns? You'll have to elect me first.

What has obama done?

He didn't do anything. Someone else made that happen.
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