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October 15, 2012, 04:04:50 AM
So being capable of leeching legally is ok with you, but if you were someone who was born here and does not report income and files for all the state programs would be approved and get them is ok because they are a citizen? Which is far more common than anyone illegal being a drag on the economy.

Sure why not its their legal right to use government programs to help themselves in hard times.. whether or not they decide to take advantage of it is something they need to live with when the repercussions of doing so eventually catch up to them.


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Give me an example of how an illegal is a leech on society more so than our overly entitled citizens. Something verifiable. (True.)

that is not what is being discussed I never stated illegals overly leech.. its the fact that they are leeching and they are not citizens.  Your asking for information that could not exist unless the illegal immigrant population was larger than or as large as the legal population.

take a look here it gives a good insight as to how much illegals leech off our system.

http://cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011
http://cis.org/node/3877

Both reports show illegal immigrants using welfare programs which should only be available to US citizens. (leeching)

Perhaps a little outdated by a year or more but I am sure you can find up to date information by contacting your local DES office
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October 15, 2012, 03:08:24 AM
So being capable of leeching legally is ok with you, but if you were someone who was born here and does not report income and files for all the state programs would be approved and get them is ok because they are a citizen? Which is far more common than anyone illegal being a drag on the economy.

Give me an example of how an illegal is a leech on society more so than our overly entitled citizens. Something verifiable. (True.)

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October 15, 2012, 03:02:39 AM
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October 15, 2012, 03:01:42 AM
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October 15, 2012, 02:58:53 AM
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October 15, 2012, 02:54:22 AM
I love this part of the forum you guys have great opinions I love reading them even if they differ from my own.
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October 15, 2012, 02:46:28 AM
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October 15, 2012, 02:28:26 AM
BTW, I would not vote for any of them, I think they are all corrupt and should be replaced with idealists, which will never happen so I will never vote.
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October 15, 2012, 02:25:38 AM
The illegals I have met, usually abide by the law far more than anyone else since they have more to lose, its like having 2 strikes in a 3 strike state, but without having done anything yet. And how do you know that the person committing the crimes where you live are illegal, did you go ask them, hey are you illegal cause I just noticed that you were speeding heyuk. I lived in a border state, what I saw was there were almost no illegals living there, they get out of dodge hella fast since thats like the only area where they have checkpoints.

The majority of the friends I have who are illegal are great people and abide by the laws (other than being here illegally and identity theft) and are just too lazy to apply for citizenship cause of how long it takes.  They are not scared of check points or background checks or all the immigration yadda yadda cause they have a nice care package that was bought when they came over.

I lived in the "Valley" Mission Tx for a long time. I have never witnessed anything to make me think illegals do anymore of any type of crime than anyone else. Actually, the majority of the entitled people who think they will not be caught are generally white people that I would meet (though there were not many) and I don't think I saw a single black or asian person in the town. My wife is mexican, none of her family is illegal, but the amount of ignorance I see from people in relation to illegals is staggering. The people who believe and repeat the stereotypes of illegals being lazy, lawbreakers are usually like my backasswards family in Georgia. And the type of idiotic things I hear them say are "Hey those mexicans (they were not mexican, probably puerto ricans taller darker) are stealing all our watermelons ( they had just harvested their leased field in GA)."

Ideas like this make me want to punch a baby since the word illegals is a replacement word for mexican usually. And most of these ignorant backwoods people forget that there is no such thing as white. Where does your family come from? Oh they were immigrants? Did they get here legally? What country? Oh your german so you must be "pure blood nazi" right? My wife is Mexican, but is not really, shes whiter than me and has more spaniard blood than anything, shoot her grandmother was white as a ghost with red hair. I am cherokee indian, german, scottish, welsh, which means I am closer to mexican than she is since I have cherokee which were at least on the same continent as mexico before her family moved there.

Generalizations do not reinforce a point, you should say according to this source: http://wikipedia.org illegal aliens from xxxx country tend to perpatrate crime in border cities at an alarmingly higher rate. I disagree with the whole concept. Lazy has nothing to do with it, go look up the laws to apply for citizenship, they are nuts and they require the immigrant to learn things people born here with college degrees never learned in school.
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October 15, 2012, 01:47:54 AM
The illegals I have met, usually abide by the law far more than anyone else since they have more to lose, its like having 2 strikes in a 3 strike state, but without having done anything yet. And how do you know that the person committing the crimes where you live are illegal, did you go ask them, hey are you illegal cause I just noticed that you were speeding heyuk. I lived in a border state, what I saw was there were almost no illegals living there, they get out of dodge hella fast since thats like the only area where they have checkpoints.

The majority of the friends I have who are illegal are great people and abide by the laws (other than being here illegally and identity theft) and are just too lazy to apply for citizenship cause of how long it takes.  They are not scared of check points or background checks or all the immigration yadda yadda cause they have a nice care package that was bought when they came over.
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October 15, 2012, 01:40:09 AM

The level of Illegals we have are good for the economy (we may not have enough right now) and contrary to media reports commit fewer crimes then average.
 

I live on a border state and yes they do commit the majority of crimes.

There is no state in the US where illegals commit the majority of crimes. 

If you live nowhere near a border town you get that type of misinformation.  If you live here you know and thats why its a big deal with people on/near the border.
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October 15, 2012, 01:16:32 AM
The illegals I have met, usually abide by the law far more than anyone else since they have more to lose, its like having 2 strikes in a 3 strike state, but without having done anything yet. And how do you know that the person committing the crimes where you live are illegal, did you go ask them, hey are you illegal cause I just noticed that you were speeding heyuk. I lived in a border state, what I saw was there were almost no illegals living there, they get out of dodge hella fast since thats like the only area where they have checkpoints.
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October 14, 2012, 11:30:26 PM

The level of Illegals we have are good for the economy (we may not have enough right now) and contrary to media reports commit fewer crimes then average.
 

I live on a border state and yes they do commit the majority of crimes.

There is no state in the US where illegals commit the majority of crimes. 
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October 14, 2012, 11:16:48 PM

The level of Illegals we have are good for the economy (we may not have enough right now) and contrary to media reports commit fewer crimes then average.
 

I live on a border state and yes they do commit the majority of crimes.

Most of what you're seeing is crime which is created by the border - smuggling, and it's attendant violence, for instance, or crimes which the illegals cross the border specifically to commit. I remember reading about Mexican gangs crossing over to kidnap wealthy Americans, for example. Away from the border, the illegals you see mostly just want to work and send money back home. Committing crimes over here only gets in the way of that.
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October 14, 2012, 10:48:55 PM

The level of Illegals we have are good for the economy (we may not have enough right now) and contrary to media reports commit fewer crimes then average.
 

I live on a border state and yes they do commit the majority of crimes.

Every illegal is by definition a criminal - 100% of the illegal population is here illegally.  Grin
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October 14, 2012, 10:38:11 PM

The level of Illegals we have are good for the economy (we may not have enough right now) and contrary to media reports commit fewer crimes then average.
 

I live on a border state and yes they do commit the majority of crimes.
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October 14, 2012, 10:32:07 PM
There are several issues that makes Obama a deal breaker for me, not that I really like Romney, but right now, Romney looks a million times better than Obama:

* Obama supports AA, Romney is against
* Obama supports legalizing tens of millions of illegals, Romney is against
* Obama increased the national debt by 6T in 4 years, I don't think anyone else in the Republican party can top that. I mean even the supposedly bad president GWB only increased the debt by 4.4T in 8 years, and he fought 2 wars.

What the heck is AA?  Alcoholics  Anonymous? 

The level of Illegals we have are good for the economy (we may not have enough right now) and contrary to media reports commit fewer crimes then average.

The debt should be cut.  Neither has a realistic plan for dealing with it.   
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October 14, 2012, 09:34:51 PM
There are several issues that makes Obama a deal breaker for me, not that I really like Romney, but right now, Romney looks a million times better than Obama:

* Obama supports AA, Romney is against
* Obama supports legalizing tens of millions of illegals, Romney is against
* Obama increased the national debt by 6T in 4 years, I don't think anyone else in the Republican party can top that. I mean even the supposedly bad president GWB only increased the debt by 4.4T in 8 years, and he fought 2 wars.
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October 14, 2012, 08:55:41 PM
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October 14, 2012, 08:39:52 PM
just sent in my early ballot.. Romney all the way!  just wouldn't feel right voting for a commie.
Gah. I hope you were talking about the Communist Party candidate. Obama could hardly even be called a progressive. The only real difference between Obama and Romney is black and white.... or blue and red - the rest is all marketing. One wants to continue (and/or has a history of continuing) social and corporate welfare, while expanding military adventurism, and the other wants to continue (and/or has a history of continuing) social and corporate welfare, while expanding military adventurism - and neither has a comprehensive plan to pay for these programs (less "by 2020, my plan will have eliminated our deficit... (but when the people who aren't grandfathered into their welfare being cut are about to feel it, politicians revert, and nothing changes."). - And that's not even the worst of it. When these fucks are compromising, the end product is corporatism -- government funding select corporations for welfare/warfare handouts... because having the government do the work is "Communism," so that's the great accomplishment Republicans have given the US: instead of citizens paying the government to direct money, citizens pay the government to pay the corporations to direct money. Great. I swear - the only thing going for Obama is that he isn't Romney - and the only thing going for Romney is that he isn't Obama. We've got this.... fucking......... - and..... ugh - out of whiskey, again.

Obama is almost as republican as Regan.  Even the healthcare plan so many are calling 'commie/socialism' is to the right of Regan proposals. 

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