Topic: Observations on prayers and miracles? (Read 2716 times)

This really is true. I think a lot of people just had good luck when their disease was "prayed away"

That's because we are too stupid to realize that we don't know anything at all about our future, even one second into the future.

Think about Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WWII. People were walking down the street, others were in bed sleeping, some were at work... they were simply living life - fighting the war. Then BOOM, and they were merely shadows on the sidewalk.

Did those Japanese people even imagine that something like that could happen? They couldn't even believe it AFTER it happened! It was too big. They didn't know even one second into the future what would happen in their lives.

We aren't any different. Oh, we feel like we have some control over our lives. But the credit goes to God for giving us some stability. If the Japs had had the true God in their lives, Hiroshima and Nagasaki might not have happened.

People get sick and go to the doctor. At the same time people pray for the patient's health.
If the MD gives the patient medicine that causes the patient to get well, is that an answered prayer?

How many States have intervened on behalf of the children of Christian Scientists, sana?

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I am kidding no one when I say that everything you say about your god is unknown and unknowable, just as all other gods.  I believe all the religious beliefs likely to be untrue and purely a result of the evolution of intelligence as a trait, which does not preclude an unknown power in the universe that neither of un understand.

I think that is pretty clear.

I dont believe in your christian god. That doesnt make me an atheist.

Which means...........nothing. 
 

If a billion people pray for shit....like food......and half a billion get food......were a half billion payers answered or did they just get food ?

It stands to reason that things peoplel want will sometimes come true all on their own.  Believing that god does this is the work of a feeble mind, not a superpower.

Still waiting for evidence.

soul is the same like GOD or something, we dont have a soul we have a heart, liver, stomach and shit:P

Of course it has change, now when we are sick we go to the hospital where there is specialized people in health-care, we don't call the witch-doctor or a priest to pray away the disease...

I think that God in different religions and tradition is the same being, just people had different understanding and thinking who is God, based on their cultural and spiritual foundation and development.
In every culture and nation, in the time of need and despair, people was asking for spiritual help and guidance.
This never change.

If you want to define god as nature that's fine, but the majority of believers has a very different definition of god, plus we already have a word for Nature, it's Nature!

I don't see how doing this improves the god hypothesis, because you can define whatever you want as god, someone can say their favorite coffee mug is god, that's fine but we already have a word for that, it's mug...

If you compare the complicated machinery of man with the far more highly complicated "living machines" of nature, you can see that God exists, according to the dictionary definitions of God, that is. At the very least, nature is God, simply because the things of nature are many orders of complication and detail greater than the best man can do, although man is learning.

All right. I guess I didn't say it directly enough. To reiterate...

This Universe is so complicated that even if there were a thousand gods, they would have to act so extremely as one, that there would essentially be only one God. Otherwise there would be flaws, disagreements, mistakes, etc., and the Universe would never have come into being.

One God is the only way it could work.

I think it is that way because many religions are based upon the believe that there is only one omnipotent god, who is the pinnacle of power. If there were other gods they would inherently be a threat to 'your' god or diminish his power simply by being as powerful as the original god.

It has to be One God. Why? Consider how many couples work together so well that there is never any problem at all. If there were more than One God, a universe this complicated could never have come into being because of the bickering between them.

I even believe that some people use their religion as some kind of legitmization of the wrong things they do. As long as they're firm believers and true to their religion, and pray regularly, it's okay if you do things that are illegal or not OK

God wants you dead. Why? Because Jesus suffered for all the mistakes of the whole universe. And the biggest mistake was made by man when he neglected to give God the glory for creation. Man did this in the trust they put in the serpent in the garden when it (the serpent) told them to eat the fruit God commanded them to not eat.

So why does God want us dead, especially since He sent His Son Jesus to save us from death? Because Jesus was a man as well as God. As God, Jesus has the power to do anything. As a man, He had the ability to suffer and die as people do.

Now, think about this. If a mosquito bites you, say, on your right shoulder blade, what do you do when you feel it? You instinctively swat it with your left hand. When Jesus feels a sin that you do that causes Him pain, doesn't He instinctively want to use His almighty God power to get rid of the pain by damning you to Hell? But His mercy and love and patient endurance keep Him from doing it, sending you immediately to Hell. He wants to save you!

The point is, after you have tested Him over and over again with your continual sinning, which is causing Him continual pain, where is the point that the man part of Him will simply kick in and overcome the patience, love and mercy, and He will swat you damned to Hell. So, God wants you dead in this life, so you don't tempt Him beyond His patience, and He sends you to Hell. That way He can raise you, perfect, in the resurrection, perfect for and to eternal life.

The believe in one god is rather primitive if you ask me. We all have a bit of essence, sadly many are disconnected that's why so many are willing to go back to their roots or are in search for who they are and where they belong.

If god exists i will recieve a PM with a person wanting to sell me 1 btc

why don't you show us a picture of your soul?

There are folk who can testify that they have had prayers answered.

Others testify that they have not - and lets face it, the testimonies do not conflict.  Unless you have some universal law you can point out that everyone or no one should get their prayers answered.

If God exists then he doesnt give a fuck.