If a nuclear bomb exploded over my head and I lived, Id believe in almost anything. But more importantly, pondering bullshit that NEVER happens as possible evidence of a biblical being is the height of stupidity. I WILL NOT survive if a nuclear bomb goes off over my head. A dead dismembered rotting man WILL NOT EVER come back to life. Wondering what a person might believe if this bullshit happened is a complete waste of time and exercise in futility.
Yes, you have given lip service to that statement several times. I do not deny that. 
Topic: Observations on prayers and miracles? - page 3. (Read 2716 times)
Well just believe in god for insurance, if he does exist. And be like YO! i believed in you, and I didnt rape little boys at the church like some priests do so let me in yeah? lol.
If a nuclear bomb exploded over my head and I lived, Id believe in almost anything. But more importantly, pondering bullshit that NEVER happens as possible evidence of a biblical being is the height of stupidity. I WILL NOT survive if a nuclear bomb goes off over my head. A dead dismembered rotting man WILL NOT EVER come back to life. Wondering what a person might believe if this bullshit happened is a complete waste of time and exercise in futility.
The fool in his heard has said there is no God.
And when folk think anything is probable in this universe, well, one can see the truth of that. That someone might think that, if a nuclear weapon was to explode over his head, and destroy everything in its path except him, that this is a matter of probabilities, is truly sad.
that you would think I believe anything you have just said is truly sad.And when folk think anything is probable in this universe, well, one can see the truth of that. That someone might think that, if a nuclear weapon was to explode over his head, and destroy everything in its path except him, that this is a matter of probabilities, is truly sad.
You are a sad sad delusional man . Your religiously indoctrinated brain is incapable of reading anything with objectivity to the point you completely misunderstand what other people say.
I have never said there is no higher power. I have said there could be many many times. I have correctly pointed out there is no evidence of your god. I have said that the bible was clearly written by man and religion was invented by man, for which there is a lot of evidence. But religion and a higher power (god) are two different things.
The fool in his heard has said there is no God.
And when folk think anything is probable in this universe, well, one can see the truth of that. That someone might think that, if a nuclear weapon was to explode over his head, and destroy everything in its path except him, that this is a matter of probabilities, is truly sad.
And when folk think anything is probable in this universe, well, one can see the truth of that. That someone might think that, if a nuclear weapon was to explode over his head, and destroy everything in its path except him, that this is a matter of probabilities, is truly sad.
The math that eludes zolace is 1+1=3. In zolace' world, facts are simply a matter of "faith". In zolace' world 1+1=3 is truth, if you believe it.
"Jesus Math".
Time is not on your side. You have had more than enough time to prove your crack-pot superstitious beliefs.
"Jesus Math".
Time is not on your side. You have had more than enough time to prove your crack-pot superstitious beliefs.
It takes you months and hundreds of posts just to understand someone else's very simple position, and still you don't understand it.
Everything is possible zolace, it's a matter of probability. It is simply more probable that some undiscovered or alien technology brought the person back to life in your fictional story above than an invisible magic man with supernatural powers.
And there lies in your problem - this dogma of yours. That is superstition, my friend. But, it is effective in keeping considerations of the Creator out of the picture, by raising the bar such that no matter what happens, you will find an explanation for it regardless how silly.Everything is possible zolace, it's a matter of probability. It is simply more probable that some undiscovered or alien technology brought the person back to life in your fictional story above than an invisible magic man with supernatural powers.
There is a test, however, you can do - anyone can - and let the chips fall where they will.
I enjoy the equations that show 1=2. It's fun when folk try to figure out what is wrong with them.Anyway, as noted, time will tell.
It takes you months and hundreds of posts just to understand someone else's very simple position, and still you don't understand it.
Everything is possible zolace, it's a matter of probability. It is simply more probable that some undiscovered or alien technology brought the person back to life in your fictional story above than an invisible magic man with supernatural powers.
And there lies in your problem - this dogma of yours. That is superstition, my friend. But, it is effective in keeping considerations of the Creator out of the picture, by raising the bar such that no matter what happens, you will find an explanation for it regardless how silly.Everything is possible zolace, it's a matter of probability. It is simply more probable that some undiscovered or alien technology brought the person back to life in your fictional story above than an invisible magic man with supernatural powers.
There is a test, however, you can do - anyone can - and let the chips fall where they will.
It takes you months and hundreds of posts just to understand someone else's very simple position, and still you don't understand it.
Everything is possible zolace, it's a matter of probability. It is simply more probable that some undiscovered or alien technology brought the person back to life in your fictional story above than an invisible magic man with supernatural powers.
And there lies in your problem - this dogma of yours. That is superstition, my friend. But, it is effective in keeping considerations of the Creator out of the picture, by raising the bar such that no matter what happens, you will find an explanation for it regardless how silly.Everything is possible zolace, it's a matter of probability. It is simply more probable that some undiscovered or alien technology brought the person back to life in your fictional story above than an invisible magic man with supernatural powers.
There is a test, however, you can do - anyone can - and let the chips fall where they will.
It takes you months and hundreds of posts just to understand someone else's very simple position, and still you don't understand it.
Everything is possible zolace, it's a matter of probability. It is simply more probable that some undiscovered or alien technology brought the person back to life in your fictional story above than an invisible magic man with supernatural powers.
Everything is possible zolace, it's a matter of probability. It is simply more probable that some undiscovered or alien technology brought the person back to life in your fictional story above than an invisible magic man with supernatural powers.
If I may clear something up one last time. Nearly any explanation, including advanced people from another race travelling here in UFOs and reconstructing a dead guy, is a more likely explanation than a supernatural magical being. You call my explanation 'science". I call it..anti-magic man. Its not just science that is more likely than a magic man. Everything is more likely than a magic man. This does not mean a magic man does not exist, its just that everything else is more likely.
Is this FINALLY clear enough for you ,zolace? Now that it has been cleared up for your very slow and dull-witted mind, what do you plan to do with this new information?
Is this FINALLY clear enough for you ,zolace? Now that it has been cleared up for your very slow and dull-witted mind, what do you plan to do with this new information?
rigon,noviapriani
I have not added any details to the below scenario. You may not have read them carefully, but, that is what I have been posting. Look back.
So, there are two choices here as what is the most logical explanation. It would best be explained by science, or via a supernatural explanation.
You have chosen science, above.
What if.....Thousands of Christians prayed for safety/salvation during a natrural disaster, and all died? I have not added any details to the below scenario. You may not have read them carefully, but, that is what I have been posting. Look back.
So, there are two choices here as what is the most logical explanation. It would best be explained by science, or via a supernatural explanation.
You have chosen science, above.
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1.You are walking in the woods, hiking, enjoying nature, and you come across someone you know, but dead.
2.You are able to determine that the body has been dead and decomposing for about 10 days.
3.Pieces of it are dismembered - for example, the right arm is 50 feet away.
4.And, no technology around. You are not in a lab. You may be carrying your cell phone, IPAD, but, personal stuff.
5.And while you are looking at this body, before your very eyes, this person rises immediately, whole and alive again. His arm from 50 feet away is not re-attached to his body. He is well, and he knows you, just as you knew him.
2.You are able to determine that the body has been dead and decomposing for about 10 days.
3.Pieces of it are dismembered - for example, the right arm is 50 feet away.
4.And, no technology around. You are not in a lab. You may be carrying your cell phone, IPAD, but, personal stuff.
5.And while you are looking at this body, before your very eyes, this person rises immediately, whole and alive again. His arm from 50 feet away is not re-attached to his body. He is well, and he knows you, just as you knew him.
rigon,noviapriani
I have not added any details to the below scenario. You may not have read them carefully, but, that is what I have been posting. Look back.
So, there are two choices here as what is the most logical explanation. It would best be explained by science, or via a supernatural explanation.
You have chosen science, above.
I have not added any details to the below scenario. You may not have read them carefully, but, that is what I have been posting. Look back.
So, there are two choices here as what is the most logical explanation. It would best be explained by science, or via a supernatural explanation.
You have chosen science, above.
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1.You are walking in the woods, hiking, enjoying nature, and you come across someone you know, but dead.
2.You are able to determine that the body has been dead and decomposing for about 10 days.
3.Pieces of it are dismembered - for example, the right arm is 50 feet away.
4.And, no technology around. You are not in a lab. You may be carrying your cell phone, IPAD, but, personal stuff.
5.And while you are looking at this body, before your very eyes, this person rises immediately, whole and alive again. His arm from 50 feet away is not re-attached to his body. He is well, and he knows you, just as you knew him.
2.You are able to determine that the body has been dead and decomposing for about 10 days.
3.Pieces of it are dismembered - for example, the right arm is 50 feet away.
4.And, no technology around. You are not in a lab. You may be carrying your cell phone, IPAD, but, personal stuff.
5.And while you are looking at this body, before your very eyes, this person rises immediately, whole and alive again. His arm from 50 feet away is not re-attached to his body. He is well, and he knows you, just as you knew him.
Sigh. No. I repeat for the 12th time. I have said it remains more logical to believe a miracle of modern medicine or cloning than to believe a magical god did it. I also said there are fantastical things that I could imagine that would make me consider supernatural. However, pondering nonsense that has never occurred is a COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME.
Now before you ever respond to me in this thread again I want you to repost what I said above and indicate you understand that is my position.
Can you do that?
I guess zolace is going to be like a rat terrier and rag this stupid thing until someone pays attention to him, and I don't think I'm doing anyone any favors by paying attention to him, but.....Now before you ever respond to me in this thread again I want you to repost what I said above and indicate you understand that is my position.
Can you do that?
What you are basically describing in the above is a situation that is impossible. But for the sake of argument let's say it happened...
Great! You have a fine example of the supernatural. That's all well & good, but it is not proof of your "creator". While 'divine intervention may be supernatural, the supernatural is not proof of divine intervention. It doesn't make your fairy tales true.
1) The "what-ifs" have never occurred. There is no evidence of any "what-if" any of us have mentioned.
2) If the "what-if's" did occur, they are no more evidence of your god as they are evidence of aliens (which is also a more mathematically plausible explanation than a supreme being).
Given these two truths......what is your point?
Sigh. No. I repeat for the 12th time. I have said it remains more logical to believe a miracle of modern medicine or cloning than to believe a magical god did it. I also said there are fantastical things that I could imagine that would make me consider supernatural. However, pondering nonsense that has never occurred is a COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME.
Now before you ever respond to me in this thread again I want you to repost what I said above and indicate you understand that is my position.
Can you do that?
I guess zolace is going to be like a rat terrier and rag this stupid thing until someone pays attention to him, and I don't think I'm doing anyone any favors by paying attention to him, but.....Now before you ever respond to me in this thread again I want you to repost what I said above and indicate you understand that is my position.
Can you do that?
What you are basically describing in the above is a situation that is impossible. But for the sake of argument let's say it happened...
Great! You have a fine example of the supernatural. That's all well & good, but it is not proof of your "creator". While 'divine intervention may be supernatural, the supernatural is not proof of divine intervention. It doesn't make your fairy tales true.
Sigh. No. I repeat for the 12th time. I have said it remains more logical to believe a miracle of modern medicine or cloning than to believe a magical god did it. I also said there are fantastical things that I could imagine that would make me consider supernatural. However, pondering nonsense that has never occurred is a COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME.
Now before you ever respond to me in this thread again I want you to repost what I said above and indicate you understand that is my position.
Can you do that?
Now before you ever respond to me in this thread again I want you to repost what I said above and indicate you understand that is my position.
Can you do that?
To reiterrate...
We (including you, zolace) seems to have no problem with what is supernatural when we see it.
The only person with issues is you, zolace. Your problem is that, YOU want to see the "supernatural" in everything. You are like the die-hard UFO enthusist who sees blinking light in the night sky and thinks ET, and ignores the fact that it's just an airplane.
Your issues run even deeper, zolace.....
Even if you can ever demonstrate the "supernatural", you still have a long row to how proving divine intervention.
We (including you, zolace) seems to have no problem with what is supernatural when we see it.
The only person with issues is you, zolace. Your problem is that, YOU want to see the "supernatural" in everything. You are like the die-hard UFO enthusist who sees blinking light in the night sky and thinks ET, and ignores the fact that it's just an airplane.
Your issues run even deeper, zolace.....
Even if you can ever demonstrate the "supernatural", you still have a long row to how proving divine intervention.
There does not seem to be any disagreement about what is or is not supernatural.
Even zolace has a grasp of the situation.... hence the problem....
It's like different people with different mind-set looking at the same object in the sky and wondering....
"Is it an ET ?"
"Is it some ultra-secret military aircraft?"
"Is it some other natural occurance thet we don't understand?"
Within the limitations of the data, 1 person, or 1000 persons will not see the same object the same way, and will process the data the way they are taught to do.
zolace...
There is no need for "What If...?" scenerios. You only use them because you believe you are contributing something "intellectual", when in fact you are just looking stupid.
"What if I took a tour of NY City riding on the back of a winged pig!!""
THAT!!! Would be supernatural.
zolace-
Everyone here has a firm understanding of the power of prayer and miracles, with the exception of you, zolace.
"One white crow is evedince that not all crows are black."
All that if required of you is provide JUST ONE example of your "creator".
Even zolace has a grasp of the situation.... hence the problem....
It's like different people with different mind-set looking at the same object in the sky and wondering....
"Is it an ET ?"
"Is it some ultra-secret military aircraft?"
"Is it some other natural occurance thet we don't understand?"
Within the limitations of the data, 1 person, or 1000 persons will not see the same object the same way, and will process the data the way they are taught to do.
zolace...
There is no need for "What If...?" scenerios. You only use them because you believe you are contributing something "intellectual", when in fact you are just looking stupid.
"What if I took a tour of NY City riding on the back of a winged pig!!""
THAT!!! Would be supernatural.
zolace-
Everyone here has a firm understanding of the power of prayer and miracles, with the exception of you, zolace.
"One white crow is evedince that not all crows are black."
All that if required of you is provide JUST ONE example of your "creator".
Well, since rigon agrees (apparently) that the above would count as evidence for supernaturally evidence, just to bring you up to speed,, I wanted an idea of what it would take to rise to the level of evidence. How high the bar.
Now, the bar may even be lower - but, the above example has ruled out the bar being higher for rigon.
Ok then, rewording this, since you say you have answered such, and perhaps I misunderstood. To clarify:
If the following was to happen, all 5 points below, you agree that the most logical explanation would be that something supernatural happened. I have that correct?
what if a T-Rex danced on the head of a pin? Aren't you dying to know if I would believe in God if that happened? If the following was to happen, all 5 points below, you agree that the most logical explanation would be that something supernatural happened. I have that correct?
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1.You are walking in the woods, hiking, enjoying nature, and you come across someone you know, but dead.
2.You are able to determine that the body has been dead and decomposing for about 10 days.
3.Pieces of it are dismembered - for example, the right arm is 50 feet away.
4.And, no technology around. You are not in a lab. You may be carrying your cell phone, IPAD, but, personal stuff.
5.And while you are looking at this body, before your very eyes, this person rises immediately, whole and alive again. His arm from 50 feet away is not re-attached to his body. He is well, and he knows you, just as you knew him.
2.You are able to determine that the body has been dead and decomposing for about 10 days.
3.Pieces of it are dismembered - for example, the right arm is 50 feet away.
4.And, no technology around. You are not in a lab. You may be carrying your cell phone, IPAD, but, personal stuff.
5.And while you are looking at this body, before your very eyes, this person rises immediately, whole and alive again. His arm from 50 feet away is not re-attached to his body. He is well, and he knows you, just as you knew him.
Driver: Ive been asking him the same question......why waste your time pondering what-ifs and just spill the beans on the evidence you believe you have? We both know he will NEVER list any evidence other than "what-if"
There does not seem to be any disagreement about what is or is not supernatural.
Even zolace has a grasp of the situation.... hence the problem....
It's like different people with different mind-set looking at the same object in the sky and wondering....
"Is it an ET ?"
"Is it some ultra-secret military aircraft?"
"Is it some other natural occurance thet we don't understand?"
Within the limitations of the data, 1 person, or 1000 persons will not see the same object the same way, and will process the data the way they are taught to do.
zolace...
There is no need for "What If...?" scenerios. You only use them because you believe you are contributing something "intellectual", when in fact you are just looking stupid.
"What if I took a tour of NY City riding on the back of a winged pig!!""
THAT!!! Would be supernatural.
zolace-
Everyone here has a firm understanding of the power of prayer and miracles, with the exception of you, zolace.
"One white crow is evedince that not all crows are black."
All that if required of you is provide JUST ONE example of your "creator".
Even zolace has a grasp of the situation.... hence the problem....
It's like different people with different mind-set looking at the same object in the sky and wondering....
"Is it an ET ?"
"Is it some ultra-secret military aircraft?"
"Is it some other natural occurance thet we don't understand?"
Within the limitations of the data, 1 person, or 1000 persons will not see the same object the same way, and will process the data the way they are taught to do.
zolace...
There is no need for "What If...?" scenerios. You only use them because you believe you are contributing something "intellectual", when in fact you are just looking stupid.
"What if I took a tour of NY City riding on the back of a winged pig!!""
THAT!!! Would be supernatural.
zolace-
Everyone here has a firm understanding of the power of prayer and miracles, with the exception of you, zolace.
"One white crow is evedince that not all crows are black."
All that if required of you is provide JUST ONE example of your "creator".
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